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First we can post the ones already in public news. Then we can post our own. I find a lot of variation in the public ones. I'd say there is no need to rank beyond 32 but try to post a top 15 at least. Here are some top rankings and a quick show of their top 5.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft/

Their Top 5:
1 Garrett, Edge
2 Allen, DT
3 Derek Barnett, Edge
4 Cordrea Tankersley, CB
5 Corey Davis, WR

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

Their Top 5:
1 Allen
2 Garrett
3 Malik Hooker, FS
4 Dalvin Cook, RB
5 Solomon Thomas, DE


http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft (Link to Scout INC results)

Their Top 5:
1. L. Fournette, RB
2. Myles Garrett, DE
3. Jonathan Allen, DE
4. Jabrill Peppers, S
5. Reuben Foster, ILB

http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2017.asp

Their Top 5:
1 Myles Garrett
2 Jonathan Allen
3 Jalen Tabor, CB
4 Leonard Fournette, RB
5 Jabrill Peppers, S

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As you can see there is a good bit of variation and clearly not a consensus in the top 5. It will be interesting to see where you guys place the top 15. I will post mine tonight or tomorrow most likely.

HAVE FUN!!!

Just straight up not weighted to our needs or positional value just pure diminance for their position.

Garrett
Fournette
Barnett/Allen
Hooker

I will give a full 15 later, but just a little peak:

1: Myles Garrett: The ultimate prospect. He's huge at 6'6" and 270, he has rare athletic ability, people saying he will run a low 4.5, and he's incredibly tough, playing most of the season on a high ankle sprain. Even his biggest weakness coming into the year, run game defense, he improved ten fold during the year and made it into a strength. He added 10 pounds of muscle last year, so I don't know how anyone could question his work ethic. He's a 10/10 prospect.

2: Jonathan Allen: Almost as good as Garrett, Allen combines an impressive mix of explosive first step, rare quickness, and great strength. A lot of people see Aaron Donald when they watch Allen. I see it too, just rare, rare technique and athletic ability. The only thing keeping him from #1 status is I do think he is a tad too small to be an interior defensive lineman, and he is not a full time edge defender.

3: Malik Hooker: A great athlete with elite ball skills. He covers incredible amounts of ground as a center fielder safety because of his athletic ability and great instincts. He reads the QB so well, putting himself in the right position to consistently bait the QB then pick it. He does need to work on his tackling ability, but his athletic ability will make him a solid enough tackler at first.

4: Dalvin Cook: This will probably be considered a weird placement, but I think Cook is really really good. He's not Zeke, but his running ability and vision is really quite amazing. Also, he is a very good receiver out of the backfield, which makes him so valuable because of how he can effect the game.

5: Derek Barnett: He's an awesome player who in a normal year, would probably be a top 3 prospect. He's got really good form, good size, and has very good hand usage. While he's not the overwhelming athlete like Garrett, he's still impressive. Breaking Reggie White's record at Tennessee, you have to be one hell of a pass rusher. His run defense leaves a little to be desired, but I think that'll be an easy fix for Barnett.

Looks like someone at Scouts Inc. is still giddy with Zeke-fever.

1. Myles Garrett, EDGE
2. Jamal Adams, Safety
3. Jonathan Allen, DL
4. Derek Barnett, EDGE
5. [censored] Tabor, CB

I like Cook too. If Adams and Foster aren't there at 12, I'd def consider Cook. I like the Crow, but Cook is the real deal. I assume Fornette will be gone by 12

I think general consensus fot this board is that Garrett is #1 and Allen is #2.
Who is in consideration for #3?

Adams
Hooker
Thomas
Barnette

Anybody else in serious consideration?

Top 32, 1.0

1. Myles Garrett, EDGE
2. Jamal Adams, Safety
3. Jonathan Allen, DL
4. Derek Barnett, EDGE
5. T-e-e-z Tabor, CB
6. Reuben Foster, LB
7. Corey Davis, WR
8. Mike Williams, WR
9. John Ross, WR
10. Malik Hooker, Safety
11. Solomon Thomas, EDGE
12. Jarrad Davis, LB
13. Leonard Fournette, RB
14. Jabrill Peppers, Safety
15. Cordrea Tankersley,  CB
16. Dalvin Cook, RB
17. O.J. Howard, TE
18. Raekwon McMillan, LB
19. Carlos Watkins, DL
20. Sidney Jones, CB
21. Ryan Ramczyk, OT
22. Demarcus Walker, EDGE
23. Zach Cunningham, LB
24. Takkarist McKinley, EDGE
25. Cam Robinson, OT
26. Tim Williams, LB
27. Marlon Humphrey, CB
28. Caleb Brantley, DL
29. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR
30. Adoree Jackson, CB/RS
31. Taco Charlton, DL
32. Christian McCaffrey, RB

I really hope we pick Myles Garrett first and not a QB.

We shall see.

I Agree not with pick #1
#12 meh, I wouldn't like it, but not sooner.

I think one might argue for Fournette being a top 5 talent but it's hard to justify a HB taken that high most of the time.

I think my top 15 looks like"

1. Garrett
2. Hooker
3. Allen
4. Cam
5. Tabor
6. Fournette
7. Barnette
8. Dalvin Cook
9. Solomon Thomas
10. Peppers
11. Cordrea Tankersley
12. Mike William
13. Corey Davis
14. Jamal Adams
15. Mitch Trubisky

Very unlikely. I think the fan/pundit community underrates him. My guess sis he won't last pass 6 if the Jets stay put and don't take a qb

My top 15

1. Garrett OLB/DE
2. Allen DE/DT
3. Adams SS
4. Hooker FS
5. Thomas DE
6. Barnett OLB/DE
7. Williams WR
8. Cook RB
9. Robinson OT
10. Foster LB
11. McDowell DT
12. Howard TE
13. Tabor CB
14. Fournette RB
15. Ramczyk OT

I'm gonna use your list as a template if that's OK

Top 16,

1. Myles Garrett, DE
2. Jonathan Allen, DL
3. Derek Barnett, DE
4. Jamal Adams, Safety
5. Leonard Fournette, RB
6. Reuben Foster, LB
7. Malik Hooker, Safety
8. Mike Williams, WR
9. Corey Davis, WR
10. Solomon Thomas, DL
11. Sidney Jones, CB
12. Zach Cunningham, LB
13. Cordrea Tankersley, CB
14. Malik McDowell DL
15. John Ross, WR
16. Cam Robinson, OT

I don't think its that likely but you never know. There are many team that focus more on need than BPA so a very good player can slide. Top teams in the draft are often teams that routinely don't draft well so they often go with need first because a new coach comes in and sees a glaring need that just HAS to be filled. Chances are it will happen at least 3 times in the top 12(hopefully not us).

If that happens he could possibly slide to us. If we got him and garrett I might just lose my mind with joy. I don't count on it though ^^

I also tend to think that once you get past pick 8 the talent level drops off quite a bit and that many of the players become interchangable when it comes to BPA. After pick 16 I feel like the overall talent level of this draft drops very sharply. It's good news for us since we have two picks in the better tier. It's also why I don't mind trading up from 12 for the right player. I think the BPA at pick 12 will most likely be a WR though so I don't know how I feel about that.

Top 32, 2.0

1. Myles Garrett, EDGE
2. Jamal Adams, Safety
3. Jonathan Allen, DL
4. Derek Barnett, EDGE
5. T-e-e-z Tabor, CB
6. Reuben Foster, LB
7. Corey Davis, WR
8. Mike Williams, WR
9. John Ross, WR
10. Malik Hooker, Safety
11. Solomon Thomas, EDGE
12. Demarcus Walker, EDGE
13. Leonard Fournette, RB
14. Jarrad Davis, LB 
15. Cordrea Tankersley, CB
16. Dalvin Cook, RB
17. O.J. Howard, TE
18. Tim Williams, EDGE
19. Carlos Watkins, DL
20. Sidney Jones, CB
21. Ryan Ramczyk, OT
22. Takkarist McKinley, EDGE
23. Zach Cunningham, LB
24. Jabrill Peppers, Safety
25. Cam Robinson, OT
26. Raekwon McMillan, LB
27. Marlon Humphrey, CB
28. Caleb Brantley, DL
29. JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR
30. Adoree Jackson, CB/RS
31. Taco Charlton, DL 
32. Christian McCaffrey, RB

Bonus:

33. Mitch Trubisky, QB
34. Quincy Wilson, CB
35. Vita Vea, DL
36. Elijah Qualls, DL
37. Dan Feeney, OG
38. Gareon Conley, CB 
39. Charles Walker, DL
40. Roderick Johnson, OT 
41. Dede Westbrook, WRS
42. Deshaun Watson, QB
43. Harold Landry, LB
44. Charles Harris, EDGE
45. David Njoku, TE
46. Chris Wormley, DL
47. Marshon Lattimore, CB
48. Budda Baker, Safety
49. Tre'Davious White, CB
50. Cameron Sutton, CB/RS

51. Marcus Williams, Safety
52. Vincent Taylor, DL
53. Garett Bolles, OT
54. Jaleel Johnson, DL
55. Montravius Adams, DL
56. Carl Lawson, EDGE
57. Desmond King, Safety
58. Jourdan Lewis, CB
59. Joe Mixon, RB
60. Jordan Leggett, TE
61. Courtland Sutton, WR
62. Ryan Anderson, EDGE
63. T.J. Watt, LB
64. Tyrone Crowder, OG
65. Pat Elflein, Center
66. Chidobe Awuzie, CB
67. Ethan Pocic, Center
68. Rasul Douglas, CB
69. Taylor Moton, OL
70. Marcus Maye, Safety
71. Haason Reddick, LB
72. Evan Engram, TE
73. Adam Bisnowaty, OT
74. Dion Dawkins, OT
75. Malik McDowell, DL
76. Isaiah Ford, WR
77. Avery Gennesy, OT
78. Justin Evans, Safety
79. Dorian Johnson, OG
80. Travis Rudolph, WR
81. Davon Godchaux, DL
82. Samaje Perine, RB
83. D'Onta Foreman, RB  
84. Chris Godwin, WR
85. Amara Darboh, WR
86. Jake Butt, TE
87. DeShone Kizer, QB
88. Curtis Samuel, WR
89. Bucky Hodges, TE
90. Alvin Kamara, RB
91. Tyler Orlosky, Center
92. Chad Wheeler, OT
93. Zach Banner, OG
94. Jeremy McNichols, RB
95. Dalvin Tomlinson, DL
96. Devonte Fields, LB
97. Malachi Dupre, WR
98. Nico Siragusa, OG
99. Jarron Jones, DL
100. Conor McDermott, OT

Alright............the idea for this thread was mine. I stated that I did not care who started it and thanks to Razor for starting it. However, in the interest of user friendliness and getting a lot of action..........I think we need to tweak things a bit.

I believe instead of just listing a group of guys, we would draw more reader interest if we put a small evaluation beside each of the players we list.

Making lists is boring.

For example, let me just do my number one pick:

1. Myles Garrett: Dynamic edge rusher that is can impact games because teams must game plan against him. He is a physical freak at the second most important position on the field, trailing only the qb.

I will give one more to help w/the process:

2. Malik Hooker: A tremendous athlete in the mode of Ed Reed and Earl Thomas. Has great range, superior jumping ability, terrific hands, and is a sure tackler. Impact player.

I think those types of things will make this thread more interesting, educational, and popular.

But hey...............whatever y'all want.

I think I like Alen over Garrett. I only saw Garrett in one game and he was a non factor. Alan is a beast against the running game. As we all know we have had a small problem stopping the run.

Give me Jimmy G, Alen and Hooker. I would be a happy Browns fan.

One game.

How was Allen against Clemson?

J/c

RE: Hooker

I like Hooker. For me he's the best pure FS prospect in the draft. But its his tackling for me that prevents him from being the top S prospect overall.

I've often read the Earl Thomas comp but Earl is a stone killer with his tackling. Hooker has the range but not the tackling or physicality of comps like Reed and Thomas.

I know most in this board aren't draft geek enough to go all in on charting games but....I've charted some of his games in another thread other w/ time stamps and I saw Hooker miss tackles at a high frequency. (for comp much higher then Adams)

Anyhow....

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft/

And so there is no confusion: I have Hooker as the #2 safety prospect and the #1 pure FS prospect. Would be a great addition to any secondary.

Its the comp I disagree with as Ed Reed and Earl Thomas are 2 of my favorite players. I don't think Hooker is in the Earl Thomas/Ed Reed mold. More like a Kerry Rhodes/Dashon Goldson (when he could still run).

Wat. Dashon Goldson was basically a hitter and nothing else.

When it comes to turning Int's into points Hooker is the best coming into this league since Ed Reed ...

Pro-Bowl Free Safety. Great range. Center piece of the 49ers secondary. So-so tackler that occasionally made a big hit.

Reed (except for when he became the 1 armed man in his final season) and Thomas especially didn't miss tackles anywhere the number of tackles as Hooker.

Yes, only one game. So I'm not knocking him.

Allen didn't play his usual number of snaps.

And Watson has one of the quickest releases in the NCAA; 2.11s for the season.

I am beginning to believe that ed makes a lot of stuff up.

I also know that he confuses big hits w/good tackling ability.

I have watched a lot of Hooker and his claim of Hooker not being a good tackler is bogus.

Are you just making stuff up as you go now?

Is this another drive by/troll post or an actual attempt at discussion?

I think it is a post about you making crap up w/out watching the guy play as much as many of have.

Another classic example of a completely fabricated claim that you actual know to be false yet have no problem stating it as if its true....smh...

Its more then a "claim". I know you would never lower yourself as to actual discuss the game tapes where I pointed out w/ Grimm with timestamps the plays where Hooker missed tackles or took poor angles. This was about a month ago, I'm sure you remember even though as per usual you never actually commented about the plays being discussed.

Instead you rely on empty rhetoric and statements that you know are clearly false along with a myriad of other tactics which you are clearly quite skilled with. The more i read your posts the I wonder what separates you from a troll? Albeit a high minded and quite skilled one?

But actually discussing the plays? Nah. Just more rhetoric and false claims.



I'm here to talk football. I know you aren't going to respond to the plays i pointed from before.

I wonder if you are going to reply to this:



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft/

Cheers.

I don't actually want to comment on any of your posts.
But I think having a frank discussion about Hooker's tackling is a good football discussion....that needed to be addressed

Whatever ed. I think you are full of crap. I think you have barely watched Hooker. I think you misunderstand big hits from good tackling. I think your claims about me not knowing what I am talking about will resonate w/about 5 or 6 posters on here, but will lose you points w/many others.

I guarantee you that I have watched more of Hooker than you.

I am pretty certain that I know what a good tackler looks like. I was paid to scout. Were you?

I think Hooker is the second best player in this year's draft. But, that is just opinion and I can see how others will disagree w/that point of view.

The difference between me and you is that I will not throw a hissy fit if someone says that Hooker is not worthy of a top pick.

Oh, and ed....I think you make a lot of crap up. Because anyone who has actually studied Hooker outside of a few highlight tapes, would never say something so freaking stupid as Hooker is not a good tackler.

You were paid to scout?

Ah, of course typical response.

Cheers, VD.



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-college-football-top-32-prospects-for-the-2017-nfl-draft/

Yes, were you?

VD? That's classy. But...........what do you think of this report:



Must be an article written by another VD person.

ed, I have watched Hooker way more than you. Do you wanna dispute that? I was paid to scout. Were you? I am saying that Hooker is the real deal and no matter how many times you wanna bad mouth him, the fact won't change that Hooker is going to be an outstanding football player.

Cheers.

No, I wasn't. And I never claimed to be. I thought you were a high school coach in earlier years? You somehow got to be a college scout?