Brady is in fantastic shape. He said he wants to play until he is 45. Jimmy G will be a FA next year. The Pats can't franchise a backup qb, so they will lose him and get nothing in return. Thus, they might want to trade him this year so they can get a return on their investment.
Now that makes sense...wish you could post without the insults though.
Because its a we will lose him in FA 2018 might as well get something for him now situation. Which partially is how we got Collins.
My befuddlement is all the talk about what will have to be given to get him. His value should diminish for just that reason stated. It only a one year guarantee and then risk him moving onto FA in 2018.
If we could get him for a 2nd round pick then I think it would be a good investment. But not multiple impact picks...not for a guy who the Pats have deemed lost in a season away.
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Eo - you hit the nail on the head and what the real discussion is about.
What is the cost to get JG ??
Because if the question is simply would the Browns be better with JG on the roster then I think in a landslide the answer is yes. . . . we could debate how good or great we think JG is - but that is opinion and simple speculation on a small sample size.
I said it before - for a 3rd round pick there isn't anyone who would argue it would be a good deal. For Two first round picks I don't think Jimmy's biggest pimp would think it's a good deal.
SO ... what is his value to you? I wouldn't give more than our second 2nd round pick and a conditional 4 / 5th next year.
And overall I'd be as happy taking Trub with our #12 overall if he is there. I think Jimmy has as much chance of being Matt Cassell 2.0 as he does of being Alex Smith 2.0
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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A well written article and nice find! Thanks for posting because I enjoyed reading it!
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How in the world did you miss the FA part and not getting anything in return for him?
Sorry to interrupt but by not signing JG to a contract before FA in 2017 tells me BB doesn't think JG is the future. Trading with NE is usually fruitless. So going on that alone we should stick with our picks this year and let the chips fall where they may.
Just because a team wants to resign a player doesn't mean the player is obligated. Brady wants to play till he is 45 and I see nothing that says he can't. Would JG want to be a backup for 6 more years? Maybe he would like to go somewhere where he can start?
And someone mentioned tagging him. You do not tag backups.
I don't disagree with you, but if he wanted to keep Jimmy, he could. That's the point.
Brady may want to play until he's 45, Favre did also, didn't make it, but wanted to.
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Brady is in fantastic shape. He said he wants to play until he is 45. Jimmy G will be a FA next year. The Pats can't franchise a backup qb, so they will lose him and get nothing in return. Thus, they might want to trade him this year so they can get a return on their investment.
Now that makes sense...wish you could post without the insults though.
Because its a we will lose him in FA 2018 might as well get something for him now situation. Which partially is how we got Collins.
My befuddlement is all the talk about what will have to be given to get him. His value should diminish for just that reason stated. It only a one year guarantee and then risk him moving onto FA in 2018.
If we could get him for a 2nd round pick then I think it would be a good investment. But not multiple impact picks...not for a guy who the Pats have deemed lost in a season away.
jmho
Eo - you hit the nail on the head and what the real discussion is about.
What is the cost to get JG ??
Because if the question is simply would the Browns be better with JG on the roster then I think in a landslide the answer is yes. . . . we could debate how good or great we think JG is - but that is opinion and simple speculation on a small sample size.
I said it before - for a 3rd round pick there isn't anyone who would argue it would be a good deal. For Two first round picks I don't think Jimmy's biggest pimp would think it's a good deal.
SO ... what is his value to you? I wouldn't give more than our second 2nd round pick and a conditional 4 / 5th next year.
And overall I'd be as happy taking Trub with our #12 overall if he is there. I think Jimmy has as much chance of being Matt Cassell 2.0 as he does of being Alex Smith 2.0
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I wouldn't give up this year's 2 first round picks but future first round picks? I think he is a franchise QB. A franchise QB is easily worth 2 first rounders in today's NFL. They key to this kind of trade is the kind of contract Jimmy G. Would be willing to sign. If he was willing to make a reasonable contract to be the guaranteed starter for say 5 years then it's really attractive because it keeps us out of QB hell.
That being said I don't think NE will ask for that much otherwise they should be willing to just cut Brady next year and resign him themselves. IF Brady wasn't playing lights out I believe they would but Bill can't justify cutting the GOAT at the top of his game. THAT is the only reason we have a chance at him and changing our team's fate to a better one.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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A well written article and nice find! Thanks for posting because I enjoyed reading it!
You're welcome. But you know what? Despite all our QB talk, I still really don't know what I hope the Browns do for our QB situation. However, I do hope our first draft pick isn't a QB. After that? That's a tough one.
However, I do hope our first draft pick isn't a QB. After that? That's a tough one.
I'm with you there. And I believe that takes Trubinsky, Kizer and Watson out of play. I would be surprised if any of them last to 12. I see SF grabbing one and then panic sets in causing the other 2 to go quickly.
However, I do hope our first draft pick isn't a QB. After that? That's a tough one.
I'm with you there. And I believe that takes Trubinsky, Kizer and Watson out of play. I would be surprised if any of them last to 12. I see SF grabbing one and then panic sets in causing the other 2 to go quickly.
QB's are always considered the sexy pick, as they say. Yeppers, all those QB's will most likely be gone, and it's to be expected. Remember who got the most cheers a couple of years ago on draft day? Johnny Manziel.
I wouldn't give up this year's 2 first round picks but future first round picks? I think he is a franchise QB. A franchise QB is easily worth 2 first rounders in today's NFL.
That's exactly what NE would hope we would think. The other option is wait until next year and just make him a deal. I like the guy. I want him here, but no need to get crazy over a QB who's only started twice. JMHO
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I just wish for once we would get aggressive and go for that first choice at QB so long as we don't give up garrett to do it.
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I for one am tired of retreads !!!! It's time to buy new!!!
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Some food for thought, SAN Francisco hires Josh McDaniels, (rumored), I think it becomes very intriguing to see if he would go after Garappollo. If so, then we could deduce they wouldn't spend their #1 on a QB which I have seen in many mocks. I personally don't think we should give NE either of our 1st rd picks for him. NE has zero leverage, and can only hope somebody offers too much. Not even that PUTZ mike Lombardi can sell this dude as a franchise hopefull worth a kings ransom.
I for one am tired of retreads !!!! It's time to buy new!!!
Retreads like Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn, etc.
We've literally tried everything besides trade for another team's backup.
(I am not saying we should.)
Those too, that were taken at #22, it's time to take the best QB out there, we have #1 we should use it ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Solve the quarterback position for crying out loud.
bone...didn't the Browns already begin the process for tring to solve their franchise QB needs by signing RG3 to a two year contract, just one year ago?
Why would the Browns invest 1st and/or 2nd round draft picks in another QB who is nearly a mirror image of the QB they signed a year ago?
RG3 only started 5 games this season and is under contract for another year. Why would the Browns invest more money and draft picks for another QB who has less experience than RG3?
Those draft picks that some are so eager to spend on an "unproven" Garoppolo..are badly needed to add talent at other positions, especially on the defensive side. The Browns need find out what they have in RG3 before jumping on the Garoppolo bandwagon..a QB who is not good enough to be included in the Patriots future plans.
There's a history (some might say "bad blood") between the Browns and the Bengals. Mike Brown is Paul Brown's son. The Browns fired his father. I just spent too much time on a site called Pro Sports Transactions, searching for trades between the Bengals and the Browns. Guess what? Since the Bengals entered the NFL after the merger in 1970, there has been exactly zero trades between the two teams. None. Mike Brown is not going to trade McCarron to the Browns for some very good reasons; they're in our Division and he'd have to face the guy twice a year, and also because HE HATES THE BROWNS for firing the man who founded them - his father.
Feel free to slog through this mess if you want to verify:
Why in the hell would a team franchise a back-up QB? It ain't going to happen.
You argue real strong, but you don't argue from a position of strength. I have a feeling you never researched Jimmy G. You never broke down his tapes. You probably don't even read his scouting reports.
You chose a position w/out any knowledge and I guess that is fine, but to get all haughty and pretend to know that you are well educated in the subject is beyond lame.
Oh, and the insult thing? You are the one who keeps calling me nuts. If I respond to that in kind.......you say I am insulting you. LOL.
arch, w/yet another non-football post that is about me.
Hey arch..........I know you don't like me. I don't care. I don't like you either. However, unlike you.............I don't follow you around and degrade you when I am not part of the conversation.
Perhaps if you had a larger penis, you wouldn't feel the need to "prove" yourself all the time? Just sayin............ LOL
But, perhaps, if you HAD a penis, you wouldn't feel the need to denigrate others constantly. Or the need to claim superiority over anyone that disagrees with you.
Teacher, eh? Self proclaimed expert on everything.
Daman started out by asking a few questions. I answered them to the best of my ability. He said I was nuts and ignored the reasons I gave. arch was not part of the conversation, added ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the football side of things, and continued his crusade against me..........yet, you click on my name?
Now, I am going to TRY and bring this back to football.
Why might Jimmy G be on the market?
--First of all, we are not SURE that he is. However, there are reasons as to why he may be.
--Tom Brady is in excellent shape. He is perhaps the best qb in the NFL. At worst, he is number 2 only trailing Rodgers. It's debatable. I read some stuff that Brady is on the cutting edge of physical fitness...I forget what it is called, but Collinsworth said it's amazing.
--Brady said he wanted to play until he 45. What is that? 5 more years or so?
--Jimmy G was highly regarded in a strong qb class. He has great tools. He performed well in limited NFL opportunities. I am not talking about stats. I am talking about arm strength, decision making, reading the field quickly, mobility, extending plays when needed, pocket presence, accuracy, etc.
--The Pats might want to trade him because there is no way they are going to franchise a back-up. To think otherwise is unreasonable.
--The Pats probably want to get something in return for a player rather than losing him w/out any compensation.
--Teams will make HUGE offers for Jimmy G if he ever does hit FA, which makes it even less likely the Pats try to keep him.
--I think the Pats are progressive. I think they saw this coming and drafted Brissett w/the understanding that they are going to lose Jimmy G one way or another.
Hey arch...............that is called a football post. Care to make one? Or, do you still wanna play your little middle school girl games? Seriously arch..........I would love to see just ONE actual football post from you. Educate us, arch.
Let's start with Griffin. What has he done differently than what he did at Washington?
He has been injured both places. He fails to read the defense post snap. Holds the ball to long. Bails out of the pocket in many cases without cause. When doing so he cuts the field in half. Accuracy is inconsistent. Griffin rarely gets the ball out on time to right person. He can throw to an open receiver. He can not throw a receiver open.
He is what he has been a running quarterback unable to play from the pocket. Because of the way he plays and his size he continues to be susceptible to injury.
If Griffin were cut by the Browns most teams would look at him as a backup. At this point he is a bottom tiered quarterback hanging on.
There is no comparison to Garoppolo. They are completely different. Garoppolo is a pocket passer who utilizes excellent footwork and pocket awareness to keep his eyes downfield. He is far more accurate and relies upon a super quick release to get the ball out on time. They could not be more different.
Griffin was not signed as the answer. He came to the Browns at low risk in cost to see if he could be further developed and revive his career. He has not changed.
Draft picks are assets. They should be used to improve the team be that through trade or used as picks themselves.
We have had tons of draft picks not many have proven to actually help the team. Not real easy to pick college players and project them into the NFL especially quarterbacks who come out early and come from non-NFL type offensive systems.
Garoppolo has a resume that includes the NFL. It also easier to get information about him within a NFL structure. His work ethic. His value as a teammate coming from players that have seen him daily in practice.
That also includes working with Belichick and Brady.
At this point I am not going to explain again why Garoppolo is not in the Pat's plans it has been made clear by me and others.
The Browns do not have a quarterback who anyone would consider a franchise quarterback. If you don't have a guy who is truly a franchise quarterback then automatically that is priority number one.
You don't win in the NFL with junk quarterbacks.
Garoppolo carries some risk but way less than the quarterbacks coming out of college this year.
Even trading for Garoppolo in my opinion does not exclude drafting another. If a guy is available as a value pick or developmental player I would still look closely.
I'm not "cap guy", but its my understanding that if a team uses the franchise tag on a player, that player has to make top 5 money for that position. Is that correct?
I'm not "cap guy", but its my understanding that if a team uses the franchise tag on a player, that player has to make top 5 money for that position. Is that correct?
And why don't you scold the guys who actually start the crap?
Get outta my face.
Maybe because you claim to be trying to get the thread back to football, yet it literally took you 6 minutes to turn it into personal attacks again. Almost every thread I open has you talking down and belittling others. Sure, others are at fault at times too, but there is always one common denominator in you. Yet you always claim to be the victim.
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