I'm in the belief that Belichek lives by the rule of get what you can when you can. He collects draft picks, and has them in his pocket to make the moves he would need if necessary. Like Tomlin, he was blessed with a great player and is enjoying the fruits. I don't think right now Bill is thinking about five years down the road. When Brady is done, he will know.
I think there is a lot of truth in what you just said.
Bill is smart. Ever watch the show about the staff he had w/the Browns? Tons of coaching talent. BB himself, Saben, Ozzie, Pioli, Ferentz, Settle, Venturi, Bates, Simmons, Lombardi.
That is freaking amazing. I think I missing someone. Who was the dude who got the GM job w/Atlanta for awhile?
What a freaking crew? If only we had stayed in Cleveland and kept that staff..............instead of talking about the draft each year, we would be talking about the chances of winning yet another Super Bowl each year.
And I know y'all won't like this............but, I partially blame the fans and media of the Browns. The dumb assess loved Kosar and hated Vinny, even thought Vinny was a much better qb at that particular point in time. Dwindling attendance, ropes around BB's and Art's manequin necks. Total hate on talk radio. Total hate by idiots like Grossi.
We had the right team...............but, as usual, the Brown's fans and media members couldn't recognize it.
There's a history (some might say "bad blood") between the Browns and the Bengals. Mike Brown is Paul Brown's son. The Browns fired his father. I just spent too much time on a site called Pro Sports Transactions, searching for trades between the Bengals and the Browns. Guess what? Since the Bengals entered the NFL after the merger in 1970, there has been exactly zero trades between the two teams. None. Mike Brown is not going to trade McCarron to the Browns for some very good reasons; they're in our Division and he'd have to face the guy twice a year, and also because HE HATES THE BROWNS for firing the man who founded them - his father.
Feel free to slog through this mess if you want to verify:
Some food for thought, SAN Francisco hires Josh McDaniels, (rumored), I think it becomes very intriguing to see if he would go after Garappollo. If so, then we could deduce they wouldn't spend their #1 on a QB which I have seen in many mocks. I personally don't think we should give NE either of our 1st rd picks for him. NE has zero leverage, and can only hope somebody offers too much. Not even that PUTZ mike Lombardi can sell this dude as a franchise hopefull worth a kings ransom.
Welcome to the boards.
I don't think Josh would give up his cushy job to coach a train wreck like the 49ers. But lets say by some lucky miracle for the 49ers he did. Why would we want to wait until the 49ers grab Jimmy G to pick him up. By then it's too late to get him. It's kind of like see I told you so but now we can't do anything about it.
When you see a QB you want then you just go get him and to heck with everything else because they are the rarest thing to find if they are good at their position. Tom Brady a Goat was worried he would lose his job to Jimmy G. before he got hurt. I think that is an opinion you can trust more than anyone else in the media =)
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I'm in the belief that Belichek lives by the rule of get what you can when you can. He collects draft picks, and has them in his pocket to make the moves he would need if necessary. Like Tomlin, he was blessed with a great player and is enjoying the fruits. I don't think right now Bill is thinking about five years down the road. When Brady is done, he will know.
Exactly. I think Bill just intends to keep the team the best it can be while he can while Tom is still playing.
jc/
I don't think anyone is saying Jimmy G. is as good as Tom Brady even if stat wise he did just as good in limited playtime. But I think there is enough to KNOW he will be a decent QB in this league. DECENT QB's are VERY rare right now in the league. I think posters have the unrealistic idea that you can nickle and dime to get one.
You can't. Plain and simple. You can't nickle and dime to get even a mediocre and barely decent QB.
I'd rather go get Jimmy G. now and get our future started instead of waiting for something to happen to Tom, like an injury that ends his career, and losing out the chance to grab Jimmy G.
Jimmy G. is a HUGE upgrade at QB for us. If you can watch video of him and think otherwise then I have to seriously question your ability to judge QBs IMHO.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
"Maybe there is some good discussion going on. . ."
Wow. That is pretty cool. California cool........almost.
But Mr. Cool, you don't think this is a football conversation?
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Now, I am going to TRY and bring this back to football.
Why might Jimmy G be on the market?
--First of all, we are not SURE that he is. However, there are reasons as to why he may be.
--Tom Brady is in excellent shape. He is perhaps the best qb in the NFL. At worst, he is number 2 only trailing Rodgers. It's debatable. I read some stuff that Brady is on the cutting edge of physical fitness...I forget what it is called, but Collinsworth said it's amazing.
--Brady said he wanted to play until he 45. What is that? 5 more years or so?
--Jimmy G was highly regarded in a strong qb class. He has great tools. He performed well in limited NFL opportunities. I am not talking about stats. I am talking about arm strength, decision making, reading the field quickly, mobility, extending plays when needed, pocket presence, accuracy, etc.
--The Pats might want to trade him because there is no way they are going to franchise a back-up. To think otherwise is unreasonable.
--The Pats probably want to get something in return for a player rather than losing him w/out any compensation.
--Teams will make HUGE offers for Jimmy G if he ever does hit FA, which makes it even less likely the Pats try to keep him.
--I think the Pats are progressive. I think they saw this coming and drafted Brissett w/the understanding that they are going to lose Jimmy G one way or another.
Hey arch...............that is called a football post. Care to make one? Or, do you still wanna play your little middle school girl games? Seriously arch..........I would love to see just ONE actual football post from you. Educate us, arch.
What about this one from bonefish?
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Let's start with Griffin. What has he done differently than what he did at Washington?
He has been injured both places. He fails to read the defense post snap. Holds the ball to long. Bails out of the pocket in many cases without cause. When doing so he cuts the field in half. Accuracy is inconsistent. Griffin rarely gets the ball out on time to right person. He can throw to an open receiver. He can not throw a receiver open.
He is what he has been a running quarterback unable to play from the pocket. Because of the way he plays and his size he continues to be susceptible to injury.
If Griffin were cut by the Browns most teams would look at him as a backup. At this point he is a bottom tiered quarterback hanging on.
There is no comparison to Garoppolo. They are completely different. Garoppolo is a pocket passer who utilizes excellent footwork and pocket awareness to keep his eyes downfield. He is far more accurate and relies upon a super quick release to get the ball out on time. They could not be more different.
Griffin was not signed as the answer. He came to the Browns at low risk in cost to see if he could be further developed and revive his career. He has not changed.
Draft picks are assets. They should be used to improve the team be that through trade or used as picks themselves.
We have had tons of draft picks not many have proven to actually help the team. Not real easy to pick college players and project them into the NFL especially quarterbacks who come out early and come from non-NFL type offensive systems.
Garoppolo has a resume that includes the NFL. It also easier to get information about him within a NFL structure. His work ethic. His value as a teammate coming from players that have seen him daily in practice.
That also includes working with Belichick and Brady.
At this point I am not going to explain again why Garoppolo is not in the Pat's plans it has been made clear by me and others.
The Browns do not have a quarterback who anyone would consider a franchise quarterback. If you don't have a guy who is truly a franchise quarterback then automatically that is priority number one.
You don't win in the NFL with junk quarterbacks.
Garoppolo carries some risk but way less than the quarterbacks coming out of college this year.
Even trading for Garoppolo in my opinion does not exclude drafting another. If a guy is available as a value pick or developmental player I would still look closely.
Let me guess..............because you don't agree w/the two dudes who are actually trying to talk football and wanna listen to the guys who wanna make everything personal, you are going to pretend there is no football talk?
Sorry cfrs...........bone and I tried talking football. Guys like arch and you are getting in the way.
Tom Brady a Goat was worried he would lose his job to Jimmy G. before he got hurt.
What.
It's pretty much common knowledge at this point. You can just google it and find plenty to read and videos to watch about it.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I don't think anyone is saying Jimmy G. is as good as Tom Brady even if stat wise he did just as good in limited playtime. But I think there is enough to KNOW he will be a decent QB in this league. DECENT QB's are VERY rare right now in the league. I think posters have the unrealistic idea that you can nickle and dime to get one.
Know.
What is the definition of a decent QB? I would say it is a guy you can't afford to let leave, but wish you can upgrade (Kirk Cousins, Joe Flacco, Ryan Tannehill, for example).
There are actually quite a few of those guys (and better QBs) in the league. Cousins, Manning, Prescott, Romo, Wentz, Stafford, Rodgers, Newton, Ryan, Winston, Brees, Palmer, Wilson, Brady, Tannehill, Luck, Mariota, Dalton, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Carr, and Smith. They are all at least decent (unless you have a different definition of decent). I didn't include guys like Bradford and Taylor but could go either way on them.
That's 23 guys.
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Jimmy G. is a HUGE upgrade at QB for us. If you can watch video of him and think otherwise then I have to seriously question your ability to judge QBs IMHO.
You are talking about making definitive judgment on a player who has played a game and a half in the NFL. That makes me seriously question your ability to make rational decisions.
This guy looks pretty good, we should get him:
After saying all of this, I think Garoppolo is probably the best option for the team at this point (if we don't have to give up too much). We should not give up too much because there are still huge amounts of risk involved in trading for a player with basically no game film on the last year of his contract.
I don't think anyone is saying Jimmy G. is as good as Tom Brady even if stat wise he did just as good in limited playtime. But I think there is enough to KNOW he will be a decent QB in this league. DECENT QB's are VERY rare right now in the league. I think posters have the unrealistic idea that you can nickle and dime to get one.
Know.
What is the definition of a decent QB? I would say it is a guy you can't afford to let leave, but wish you can upgrade (Kirk Cousins, Joe Flacco, Ryan Tannehill, for example).
There are actually quite a few of those guys (and better QBs) in the league. Cousins, Manning, Prescott, Romo, Wentz, Stafford, Rodgers, Newton, Ryan, Winston, Brees, Palmer, Wilson, Brady, Tannehill, Luck, Mariota, Dalton, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Carr, and Smith. They are all at least decent (unless you have a different definition of decent). I didn't include guys like Bradford and Taylor but could go either way on them.
That's 23 guys.
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Jimmy G. is a HUGE upgrade at QB for us. If you can watch video of him and think otherwise then I have to seriously question your ability to judge QBs IMHO.
You are talking about making definitive judgment on a player who has played a game and a half in the NFL. That makes me seriously question your ability to make rational decisions.
This guy looks pretty good, we should get him:
After saying all of this, I think Garoppolo is probably the best option for the team at this point (if we don't have to give up too much). We should not give up too much because there are still huge amounts of risk involved in trading for a player with basically no game film on the last year of his contract.
I grant his NFL footage is limited to several preseason games and a few nfl games but I have been watching him since before he came to the NFL. Solid technique, quick and good decision making, and a strong arcuate arm are things you can clearly see he has even from that sample size because it's consistent and pervasive gaing back to college.
A decent QB is one who doesn't make a lot of mistakes, can move the offense with a lot of help but can't carry the team or put them on his schoulders.
Your list: Cousins, decent previously but played franchise level this year Manning, franchise level but inconsistent Prescott, he is either decent, franchise, or a product of the system(honestly not sure yet) awesome rookie year Romo, GONE Wentz, hasn't shown to be decent yet but its too early to say Stafford, franchise level qb Rodgers, franchise Newton, franchise but can be irratic Ryan, decent with a LOT of help, might be franchise(not sure) Winston, franchise though needs work but amazing rookie year Brees, franchise and godly Palmer, decent to franchise level Wilson, franchise Brady, franchise and godly Tannehill, bleh below decent overall but has his years where he can be decent Luck, franchise Mariota, franchise Dalton, decent Flacco, decent to franchise Roethlisberger, franchise to godly Rivers, franchise Carr, franchise Smith. used to be decent but age has not been kind
If you want a stat marker then 2 to 1 TD ratio for decent 3 to 1 franchise. 3000 min yards and at least 20 TD for decent. 4000 yds and 25 for franchise. It can be hard to only use stats though because they might have lower numbers due to a great running game or worse numbers due to being on a horrible team. Typically though those are the numbers you look for from stats I think.
Now look at your list and realize that there are 32 teams NOT 22. Some of those 22 would love to upgrade at QB too. At the very least you have 12 teams looking for at least a decent QB and 13 to 16 teams looking for a franchise QB. That means half the league is looking for a QB. 5 of the worst off ones are in the top 10 of the draft. There are MAYBE 2 decent QBs in this draft possibly 4-5 if they had time to develop(which they won't)
These teams will be more than willing to pay a first or maybe even 2 first for just a decent QB to draft this year. At least 8 teams would in a heartbeat. They would have no regrets at all about it.
Jimmy G. is at the VERY least a decent QB. No way does he go for less than a 1st. Chances are that he will be much better than decent(IMHO). Bill knows all this. IF we could steal Jimmy G. for a mere first round pick from 2018 I would jump on that so hard.
Now if Trub is sitting there at 12 it's a different story but I seriously doubt he will be. The thing is I don't want to even be in that situation to worry about it. I'd rather we go get Jimmy G. now to make sure no one else gets him. He is worth the risk because he has the skill set, personality, and brains that will make him into something special.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I just can't see SF, Chicago, Jets giving up such a high 1st round pick. They can all go QB in the draft if they choose.
Then comes us again at 12. Then again at 33.
We hold the cards here.
Wondering. Did we KNOW about Garropolo's potential availability LAST year? Did we pass on Wentz because we suspected he'd be available? And have been planning all along to offer the Philly pick for Garoppolo? Hmmmm.
I try as hard as possible to get him for 33 and something else. IF it becomes a deal breaker that they won't take anything less than our 12 pick?
GIVE it to them and get the QB.
Garrett and Garropolo's potential would be an excellent 1-2 punch. That's using the 12 pick for Garoppolo.
Then Hit on our 2 2nd rounders.
If we could Ink Eric Berry and either Trumaine Johnson or Gilmore in FA we'd be SET. And we'd still have way more than enough Cap to sign Garropolo long term at around 18m a year if we want to. That's Osweiler numbers.
I think we could use our first round pick from 2018 to get Jimmy G.
That could end up being a pick worth a lot less if Garrett, Hooker from this draft and Jimmy G. from this trade are on the team. Talk about an immediate team transformation ... that would just be sick. Then we get some offensive line help in the second and third rounds and BOOM we could be a totally different team.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
"McDaniels has had the inside track, and my understanding is that he preferred the Niners’ situation to the other two he interviewed for, because this is a from-the-ground-up situation. No bad contracts, pick your own QB, high draft picks." This I find interesting, If McDaniels pursues Garapollo it would make sense that something gets worked out between NE and SF. Of course this is rumor and projection, BUT if McDaniels gets the gig and does NOT go after him I believe tells a whole different story. I believe we should be patient and hold on to those two #1's. For us to get fleeced on any trade scenerio would be disaterious. Hue has to be the one who makes the call on any QB transaction.
I'd use our late 2nd rounder, and maybe package a few other later round picks, but I would try to avoid using the early 2nd round pick, and I would not use #12 to get Garapollo. He shows promise, but he hasn't played nearly enough to justify a top 12 pick AND a huge contract. If the Patriots don't get anything for him now, they won't get anything for him at all, and that isn't Belicheck's style.
Let's start with Griffin. What has he done differently than what he did at Washington?
He has been injured both places.
There is no comparison to Garoppolo.
bone...you failed to admit that Garoppolo has an injury history too.
The plan was for Garp to start all 4 games that Brady was out. ...bone/vers...you tell me, how many of those 4 games did Garoppolo finish?
Garoppolo has the same body type that Griffin has..215 to 220lbs packed into a 6-2 frame. You note Griffin's injury issue yet completely ignore Garoppolo's own injury issue...why?
Garoppolo was not even hit that hard..it was a defensive back, not a 300lb lineman or a 250lb LB and it was a legal hit. Watch it yourself...
Since the injury, Garoppolo has attempted only 4 'short' passes and completed 1, in mop duty. He did play most of the 4th qtr of the Jets Dec 24 game but only attempted 2 passes.
The injury was said to be an AC sprain...but due to the lack of game video proving that Garoppolo is fully recovered, the effects of his shoulder injury remain a concern and a question mark.
It seems that the Browns tendency, preferring smaller QBs, ends the same way, each time..injury.
Maybe there is a reason that the most successful teams in the AFC North prefer bigger QBs like Roethlisberger and Flacco.
Should "durability" be a factor when choosing a QB?
...I do like Kiser's size and potential..but that's just me...
Why in the hell would a team franchise a back-up QB? It ain't going to happen.
You argue real strong, but you don't argue from a position of strength. I have a feeling you never researched Jimmy G. You never broke down his tapes. You probably don't even read his scouting reports.
You chose a position w/out any knowledge and I guess that is fine, but to get all haughty and pretend to know that you are well educated in the subject is beyond lame.
Oh, and the insult thing? You are the one who keeps calling me nuts. If I respond to that in kind.......you say I am insulting you. LOL.
I didn't make one damn thing up. Not one damn thing... Time for you to just shut the hell up.
I never said they would Franchise Tag him, if you go and open up your freaking eyes, you'd see all I said was that they "COULD" franchise or transition tag him.. Not that they would but that they COULD.
And you say I have reading comprehension issues....
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mac, how many games did Jimmy G miss due to injuries when he was in college? I'll help you out. Zero. Yet, you say he has an "injury history" because he has had one injury in his entire career. LOL
You also say that he and RGIII have similar body types. Jimmy G weighs 227 lbls and is built much thicker than RGIII. Their body types aren't even similar.
Below is a part of Terry Talkin' column concerning Jimmy Garoppolo contract...
CONSIDERING JIMMY GAROPPOLO
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer on January 14, 2017 at 7:03 AM link
I'm not going to do an in-depth look at the New England Patriots backup quarterback right now.
Cleveland.com's Dan Labbe did an excellent job breaking down some film, and you can read it online.
But while talking to the NFL executive, he mentioned something about Garoppolo that I hadn't considered.
"If the Browns trade for him, they better be sure he's their guy," the executive said.
It's not just the cost. It could be the Browns 12th pick in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft, or some combination with second-round picks.
"After the (2017) season, Garoppolo is going to be a free agent," said the executive. "You can't trade some high picks and then lose him after a year. You have to sign him pretty much after you trade for him."
And that will cost big money ... and a big chunk out of the salary cap.
Garoppolo has started two games for the Patriots, serving as Tom Brady's backup. He was the 62nd pick in the 2014 draft. His NFL career consists of 94 pass attempts. To be exact, he is 63-of-94 passing (67 percent) with 5 TDs and zero interceptions.
Garoppolo looked pretty good in his two starts, but New England also knows how to take care of it's quarterbacks.
I'm putting the talent evaluation aside, and going right to the price.
Brock Osweiler started seven games for Denver in 2015. The Broncos were 5-2 in his starts, he threw 10 TD passes compared to six interceptions -- completing 62 percent of his passes.
That's promising, but not eye-popping.
Osweiler became a free agent and signed this contract with the Houston Texans:
It was $72 million for four years, $37 million guaranteed. He was paid $21 million in 2016, counting his signing bonus. He is guaranteed $16 million in 2017. He started 14 games for the Texans, and had an 8-6 record. He has completed only 59 percent of his passes, 15 TDs compared to 16 interceptions.
At the end of the season, Osweiler temporarily lost his job to unheralded backup Tom Savage. His $16 million guaranteed for 2017 makes him untradeable.
So the Browns run a risk if they deal for Garoppolo:
If they sign him, it will probably be for a huge contract. If he fails in 2017, then they are in the same spot as Houston with Osweiler. If they don't sign him, he could play well enough to sign elsewhere after the 2017 season. Or his price tag could be even higher. If the Browns do deal for Garroppolo, there are millions of reasons why they have to be sure he is their guy.
mac, how many games did Jimmy G miss due to injuries when he was in college? I'll help you out. Zero. Yet, you say he has an "injury history" because he has had one injury in his entire career. LOL
You also say that he and RGIII have similar body types. Jimmy G weighs 227 lbls and is built much thicker than RGIII. Their body types aren't even similar.
Vers. Would you be willing to give our 12 pick if it was the ONLY possible way to get Garoppolo?
I don't know. I'm not very knowledgeable about trade and their value. I hate saying stuff when I don't know what I'm talking about.
Trading the 12th overall pick sounds pretty steep, but again, I don't have much knowledge about trading value.
I have thought about this.........would anyone be willing to draft a qb from this year's class at 12? If they are, then I would say that using that pick for Jimmy G is a better value because I believe that he is better than any qb in this draft. I think he is less risky than any of for sure.
I was kind of hoping we could offer our first 2nd round pick and maybe another one of our extra mid-round picks that we previously received.
But again, I am not saying that w/conviction because I really don't know enough about the topic to speak w/intelligence.
It was $72 million for four years, $37 million guaranteed. He was paid $21 million in 2016, counting his signing bonus. He is guaranteed $16 million in 2017. He started 14 games for the Texans, and had an 8-6 record. He has completed only 59 percent of his passes, 15 TDs compared to 16 interceptions.
At the end of the season, Osweiler temporarily lost his job to unheralded backup Tom Savage. His $16 million guaranteed for 2017 makes him untradeable.
This sounds like something Haslam and the Harvard Boys would do...
The Browns have acquired a lot of extra draft picks. I don't get why people want to hoard them. The idea of getting extra draft picks is to use them to make your team better. Not to keep them in the closet like a family heirloom.
Having extra draft picks puts the Browns in a very good position. For example, if they believe that Jimmy G is the real deal as a qb, they can use an extra pick or two and STILL have picks in each round.
That is pretty exciting. Think about it. If you see Jimmy G as the long-term answer at qb, then you instantly fix a position that has been terrible for decades. You also have a ton of other picks left over to improve your team via the draft.
Think about this, dawg. We take Garrett at 1 and make a trade for Jimmy G.
You instantly have addressed the two most important spots on a football team. Franchise QB and Premier Edge Rusher!!!!
Wonder if Garoppolo and Osweiler have the same agent?
This would be a very good example of a criticism I have had of the Browns for years...
...the Browns claim that they want to build the team via the draft..then they go out and spend BIG BUCKS on free agents.
...also, the Browns have no problem blowing millions on free agents, but are tighter than hell when it comes time to resign their own free agents.
How much would Garappolo cost the Browns in dollars, in addition to the value of the draft picks given away?
Pointless.
We have FREE picks. It's a QB with long term ramifications. USE the ASSETS we've acquired.
We haven't even had a chance to sign our own FAs. This staff had ZERO ties to any of them last year.
Now we do. WE brought in Collins and Pryor. We'll see what kind of effort we put forth. We WON'T resign every FA in the years to come. It'll NEVER work that way for any team.
It was $72 million for four years, $37 million guaranteed. He was paid $21 million in 2016, counting his signing bonus. He is guaranteed $16 million in 2017. He started 14 games for the Texans, and had an 8-6 record. He has completed only 59 percent of his passes, 15 TDs compared to 16 interceptions.
At the end of the season, Osweiler temporarily lost his job to unheralded backup Tom Savage. His $16 million guaranteed for 2017 makes him untradeable.
This sounds like something Haslam and the Harvard Boys would do...
But they had their chance to do it last year and did not.
It was $72 million for four years, $37 million guaranteed. He was paid $21 million in 2016, counting his signing bonus. He is guaranteed $16 million in 2017. He started 14 games for the Texans, and had an 8-6 record. He has completed only 59 percent of his passes, 15 TDs compared to 16 interceptions.
At the end of the season, Osweiler temporarily lost his job to unheralded backup Tom Savage. His $16 million guaranteed for 2017 makes him untradeable.
This sounds like something Haslam and the Harvard Boys would do...
But they had their chance to do it last year and did not.
But keep riding that narrative into the ground.
big...did Haslam and the Harvard Boys spend 7.5 million per year to sign RG3?
...did Haslam and his Harvard Boys refuse pay RT Schwartz the 7 million dollar contract they offered, then pulled the offer?
