DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy G. trade to the Browns Part 2

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There is always the possibility that BB just keeps JG through next year's Super Bowl run...and waits until the end of the season to decide whether to pay the man big $$$...even though he risks losing him that way.

That would be odd...but what if Brissett isn't deemed ready AND Brady gets hurt next year but plans a comeback?

Keep JG through next year's Super Bowl run and either pay up or simply take the 3rd Rd comp. pick. That would be odd, but not unreasonable.

mac, haven't you called Haslam cheap on numerous occasions?

7.5 for RG3 and his contract isn't guaranteed for next year. A literal drop in the bucket.

The next point makes no sense in regards to this particular debate. You said that deal sounds like one the current FO would make. They have yet to overspend on a garbage QB

The way I would handle the trade is thus. I trade away our 2018 2nd and 4th round picks for Jimmy with escalators that can up it to our first and 4th ig Jimmy G. resigns to a longer tender after playing as our starter for 2018 and gets 7 wins for us.

I offer Jimmy a 3 year contract extension right away for total of 4 years. I offer 30 million guaranteed and 12 mil per year. I add escalators for starting time and performance that can increase it to 18 mil per year. After all if he earns it he deserves it.

If he doesn't then we will still have our first round pick. We can also franchise him twice if needed so total time would still be 3 years. By then it should be very clear whether he is the one or not and just pay the man or move on.

We have more than enough cap space to do it either way with no hardships at all.

I can understand and respect that if you believe 100% that a guy is your franchise QB of the next 5-8 years. . . two first round picks is still a deal worth making to get him.

I think there is plenty of risk that he isn't that franchise QB. So my threshold doesn't include either 1st round pick. I'd be hard pressed to give up the #33 overall, most especially without an extension agreed and signed to before the trade.

As a counterpoint, if I am NE, I would want a pick in this draft and I would argue the Browns winning 7 games next year in an unattainable escalator

I don't see NE trading for anything but a 1st rounder IMO. They will make it a long shot to get JimmyG

They will take the best offer they can get. Garoppolo will be gone for nothing after the 2017 season.

Another thing no one seems to be taking into account is what for other teams would be interested and what assets they have.

San Francisco, Chicago, NYJ and buffalo are really the only possibilities. None of those teams have extra assets much less at the level we do. There's also no way they trade their only 1st for him especially the 49ers and buffalo having new Heads in charge.

So they want to trade they're 2ND? Ours is higher and we have two both this year and next. Basically unless San FRANCISCO hires McDaniels and he does something stupid I don't see anyone willing or even able to outbid us. And I don't see them being that stupid. Their roster is way too bare for a move like that. Our 1sts shouldn't be touched unless we get multiple picks back.

Or a team like the Cardinals could come in with a low first round pick.

NP I can respect someone having a different opinion. I wanted us to draft him instead of manziel so to me he was always worth a first round pick. I'd happily still do so since he has done nothing to show I was wrong about him and instead looked quite good. He is very consistent which is one of the things I really like about him.

I probably agree with you. I just don't think anyone will offer up a first for him because they don't have the draft capital we do. So far what I have heard is they want a 1st and a 4th to even start the talks. Our second is the same as a low 1st basically so they might be willing.

so you're 100% sure he's traded by the season? I'd be shocked if they traded him for a 2-5 round pick

They wont get it from us or anyone else IMHO.

I think if we get Garrett and Jimmy G. we could improve to 7 wins pretty easy just off that improvement alone if we don't lose anyone important.

That's what I thought would probably happen...mi know you run the risk of losing him, but I think they try to keep him and sign him to a long term deal at some point next year... Brady has to be getting close to retirement I would think...

He's really not though. He'll play till 45.

Unless he gets hurt and due to his age can't quite recover.

We likely will use the #1 on Garrett. At least I hope the FO isn't stupid enough to pass on him. Consider it another bit of Browns misfortune that the year we actually have the #1 pick, none of the QBs available are worth it. Including Garoppolo.

^This. The challenge lies in holding your water and not making a ridiculous offer to begin with. If Belichick thought Garoppolo was the next franchise QB, he'd cut a deal, or possibly cut Brady. He obviously feels Brady's value FAR outweighs Garoppolo's, or he wouldn't be trying to deal him away. IMHO

NE is currently 5th in cap space for this next season with $71,532,154 available and their biggest Free Agents being RT Sebastian Vollmer, TE Martellus Bennett, and CB Logan Ryan. In 2018 NE is slated to be 7th in cap space with $83,465,655 available and their biggest Free Agents being Grap, LT Nate Solder and WR Julian Edelman. So as long as Grap wants to stay in NE they have the money to keep him.

I bet he'll do an HGH cycle like Manning did then.

That sounds great in theory, but from a practical standpoint, please point out other NFL QB's who have accomplished that feat?

You see, every player wants to extend his career for as long as possible. The problem is, when those skills diminish, they diminish quickly.

As far as I know, only George Blanda and Steve DeBerg played until 45 or older. And their skill sets were greatly diminished before they left the league. In their final years, they weren't leading a team to any SB.

the weird thing is Brady looks better now than he did 5 years ago IMO. at the very least, he hasn't regressed

BB would;nt dare cut Brady. My sister-in-law alone would hunt Bill down and torture him.

Lol. If Brady were on a decline (he's not) and Garoppolo was the heir apparent (again, if he's on the market, he's clearly not) BB wouldn't bat an eye, IMO. Also, if Garoppolo was a lock to start after Brady, I'd think a deal would be negotiated. But neither of those things is happening, and there's no need to overpay.

versatile, i believe that is thomas dimitrov you are thinking of. and that was a coaching staff of future stars.

Wasn't Schwartz on that coaching staff as well?

Please give us your expert evaluations of both Jimmy G and Osweiler. You keep comparing them. Please tell us how their games are similar and how just because Osweiler is a dud, that that is proof that Jimmy G will be, too?

I don't think mac is comparing the way they play the game.
Both are/were backups with limited NFL game experience in or about to hit free agency.
Expect jimmy G to want a similar contract to sign an extension.

That is the point I take away from mac's mention of Osweiler.
Correct me if I am wrong mac.

mac, you did not answer my question.

There should be no discussion if he isn't comparing the way they play the game.

Good players get paid. Big deal.

I hope we don't have the mindset of not getting good players because we don't want to pay them.

Jimmy G is NOT a FA this year. We would have to trade for him in order to acquire him this year. The notion that Pluto [who has gotten lazy] and mac are floating out there is a poorly disguised attempt at discrediting making the move for Jimmy G.

Squirm? LOL

I answered that question a few pages ago.

Now, will you please answer my question?

Yes,, what the hell does that have to do with it...

Now, admit it you put words in my mouth..., ADMIT IT...

ADMIT IT..... ADMIT IT....

I thought we were supposed to do whatever it takes to FINALLY get that franchise QB?