DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy G. trade to the Browns Part 2

You're a ROCK.

Garoppolo DOES NOT need to be signed to ANY contract by us.

He has NO SAY in where he gets traded. This ain't Baseball.

The SMART thing to do is acquire him. Yes, even if it might take our 12 pick. I doubt it takes that much. Our 33 and something else should get it done.

We name him the Starter Day One.

We play out the year. If we really like what he brings, THEN we start talking long term contract.

How much contract? I'd give him TWENTY MILLION a year if he's the ANSWER. We can Franchise him if need be.

If he Doesn't work out? So what. We lost a pick or 2 that we have a BOUNTY of.

And you STILL don't get WHY Garoppolo would be available in the 1st place. Unbelievable.

New England CANNOT have upwards of 45 Million wrapped up in 2 QBs.

Don't forget that Garoppolo is Injury Prone.

I guess Brady is also since he tore an ACL once and missed an entire season.

Yeah, "squirm".
You really got this board backed into a corner, eh Mac? lol

Plenty of people on here have speculated on what it would take - draft-pick wise - to land JimmyG. Some have talked dollar amounts to sign him. I personally don't care how much the Browns FO decide to pay him, it's not my money, others can worry about the cap hit, I don't.

Disagree. They play the same position and are in a similar situation contract wise. The market has been set. Jimmy G will want that same contract (minimum). The question is: are you willing to pay that to Jimmy G?

How they play the game compared to each other is irrelevant to this discussion.

What? How a player performs is irrelevant in regards to how much he is worth?

Look, I understand that some might not like Jimmy G as a player. That's fine. However, saying he is injury prone; comparing him to Osweiler; and saying he stinks because he is a NE backup are poor arguments.

It comes down to this..........if the Browns think he is a franchise qb, they should make the deal. If they do not think he is a franchise, they should not make the deal. The rest of the debate is worthless.

mac, I posted this in the draft forum. It might help answer your question.

Oh, and I am still waiting to hear your answer to my question.

Mac, why don;t you let Haslen worry about his money. Does he come to you for financial advice?

Totally missing the point.

How a player performs is relevant to how much you pay him.
How the 2 styles of play as compared to each other is irrelevant.
Osweiler set the market.
The question is: would you give that contract to Garropolo?

Not sure why you don't understand that.
I will simplify so you don't get distracted by the minutia.

Would you give a contract worth:
$72 million for four years with $37 million guaranteed

It seems to me that comparisons of Garoppolo and Osweiler are precipitous at this point. Osweiler was in his final year of his rookie contract in Denver when he had the good fortune of getting to start 8 games when Manning got hurt, and he played pretty well. He was good enough to go 5-3 as a starter, with a QB rate of 86.4. Garoppolo, who is entering his jump year, has started 2 games, going 2-0 as a starter, with a QB rate of 119 in those 2 games. Its a small sample, but you have to say that the stage wasn't too big for him - he did well. A fair question/comparison would be if the Browns acquire him for, say, a 2nd rounder and a 4th, and after 8 games next year he's performing well enough for the Browns to be 4-4, and for him to have a QB rate around 100, would I sign him for 4Y/$72M?

Hell-to-the-Yes.

Why are we calling him Jimmy G? What a horrible nickname.

I already trademarked "Jimmy-time TM" in case we get him.

we're too lazy to spell out his last name. i'm definitely guilty of this.

It ends with a long e. What more do you need in a nickname?

Jimmy G - the G stands for Gun.

I just go JG

It's not horrible. And it's just easier than using his whole last name.

It is definitely horrible. Jimmy is literally already a nickname. Garoppolo is not that hard (although I had trouble at first).

I think I don't want Garoppolo just so I don't have to deal with this scourge of a nickname.

They are all the exception, but the ones I can think of are Warner, Romo, Palmer (for the Cardinals), Osweiler (hahahahhaahah), Alex Smith (it can be argued that he is not a "franchise guy," but his team is pretty good with him), Cutler (before he was horrible), Brees, and that's all I can think of off the top of my head (I am sure there are more).

You want to call Jimmy G "Scott Pioli"? That wouldn't be my choice, but to each his own.

I'm posting from an IPhone. I ain't typing his last name out every time I post about Jim. PITA.

Hmmm.....anyone going to post a Garoppolo nickname thread?

"The Italian Stallion" is lamentebly already taken. Soooo... How about "The Indianan Cannon"? maybe "Jimmy Bag of Touchdowns"?

Hahaha, I'm a dumbass. Eastern Illinois. "The Eastern Illinoisan Cannon" simply doesn't flow like the "The Indianan Cannon", though.

Jimmy Pigskin.
Jimmy Six.
Jim.

"J-Gun"? "Garoppolo Time"? Help me out, people, I'm dying up here.

Wait, wait! How about we shorten up "Jimmy Bag of Touchdowns" to "J-B.o.T."?

Jimmy Crack Corn and I don't care?

I've already stated what and how I would pay Jimmy G. I've stated also how I would trade for him. I'm not squirming at all.

You have a valid concern so I am not trying to demean you. There is always going to be risk involved. You can't escape it. Even if you trade for a proven QB when you change him from one system to another it might not work out for him and his performance suffers for it.

In the end, you have too look at and evaluate the player individually. This is why vers also has a fair point too. Jimmy G. and Os are very different QB's. Os is a gunslinger type who trusts his arm too much. That can be sexy. I mean Denver was willing to pay him almost identical money but he left because he was miffed about Peyton Manning which to me shows he lacks character and a team mindset. He reminded me a lot of DA. He is one of those QB's who play well until they get under the emotional expectation of winning and they have to live up to those expectations. They start over doing it and forcing the ball a lot. If they want Os to do better they will need to relax him a bit and make him feel safe at his job. Sadly I don't think they will. Instead they will take a just decent QB and ruin him mentally unless he gets over his emotional handicap.

Jimmy G. is not the same kind of QB. He doesn't crack under any kind of stress except the same kind that all QB do which is lots of QB sacks and pressures. Even still he doesn't fear it. This guy has that very quiet and stable confidence in himself where doesn't need to brag about himself but will still let you know he is gonna get it done no matter what. He is not afraid to throw deep and is fairly accurate even on 40+ yard passese but man inside a 25 yard bubble he is extremely accurate and very methodical.

Honestly, I think Jimmy G. is one of the most brilliant QB's to come out in a long time because he knows how to read defenses and pick them apart based on what he sees. NE was the perfect place for him to go IMHO. We might have ruined him if we drafted him. Now we have Hue though so it's the perfect storm for giving him a brilliant QB career and to come in and save the day.

Whatever it takes we need to make this guy the future of our Team. He is a franchise caliber QB.

It sounds nicer than JG. It's also what the media has started to call him when they don't feel comfortable saying his last name. I'd call him superman since he freaking looks like him but folks already call Cam that name so it is what it is =P

I am not missing anything. I explained my reasoning.

It comes down to this:

If the Browns think he is a franchise qb, they should trade for him. If they don't think he is a franchise, they should not trade for him.

All the other rhetoric are flimsy excuses that are more about preconceived notions than anything else.

Jimolo.

You explained your reasoning, yes. But that is how I know you are missing the question.
Simple question that you have not yet answered.

Would you give a contract worth:
$72 million for four years with $37 million guaranteed

I think you made the point Tab.

Nobody knows how a top draft pick in this draft or Jimmy G. will work out. It's all kind of a crap shoot at this juncture. I just hope IF they decide to make a major move at QB, they decide which is the best option and move on it.

I literally laughed out loud at Jimmy bag of touchdowns right in the middle of a quiet dining hall.

And why I don't want a QB in the draft this year. The BPA for this team at the top is a player who will start and make a impact. Next year is a good QB class. I will be more willing to throw the dice then.

The worst thing we can do is try to force the issue. By all accounts, a world class DE is sitting there on a silver platter. Sure, he could bust, but every team in the league would take Garrett. In the realm of drafting college players, he is as sure a deal as it gets. Don't dink around and out think this. Just take the guy.

My work here is done.

I don;t know about you Peen but I'm getting old. Wait till next year is what we said last year when we passed on Wentz because we were waiting on Watson.
We are never going to be anything until we get a QB.

I got curious and scampered to the interwebs to find some answers.. Ok first I determined that all this talk of injury prone made me wonder what exactly was the nature of said injury.. turns out it was an AC Sprain.

After that I says to meself.. Sainty ol boy.. WTF is a AC sprain?

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/sport-injuries/shoulder-pain/ac-joint-sprain

An AC joint separation or AC joint sprain is an injury to the ligament that holds the acromioclavicular joint together at the top of the shoulder. It is usually caused by fall onto an outstretched arm.

AC joint sprains range from very mild (grade 1) to a severe (grade 6) injury. Early treatment and support through taping is important to avoid long term problems or shoulder deformity.

Symptoms


Symptoms of include pain right at the end of the collar bone on the top of the shoulder. The pain my be widespread throughout the shoulder initially but later on more localized to a bony point on the top of the shoulder.

Pain will be worse when trying to move the arm overhead and there is often swelling and depending on the extent of the injury a deformity may be seen in the form of an obvious lump on top of the shoulder joint. Acromioclavicular joint separations are graded one to six with grade one being mild with only minor ligament damage and no separation of the bones whilst grade 6 is a severe injury with complete ruptures of the ligaments and visible deformity.

Read more on symptoms and diagnosis.

What is an AC joint separation?

The AC joint is short for the acromioclavicular joint. Separation of the two bones forming this joint is caused by damage to the ligaments connecting them. It is sometimes also referred to as a shoulder separation injury. The acromioclavicular joint is formed by the outer end of the clavicle or collar bone and the acromion process of the scapular or shoulder blade. The acromion is a bony process which protrudes forwards from the top of the scapular.

The two bones involved in an AC joint separation are attached by the acromioclavicular or AC ligament. There are several other ligaments which can be of importance in AC joint injuries, including the coracoclavicular or CC ligament which joins the clavicle to the coracoid process which is another forward protruding part of the scapula.

A third ligament involved in an AC joint injury is the coracoacromial ligament which attaches the acromion process to the coracoid process, although it is rarely involved in this type of injury. The most common way of injuring the AC joint is by landing on the shoulder, elbow, or onto an outstretched hand. The athlete falls and automatically places their hand out to break the fall. The forces are then transmitted up the wrist and arm to the shoulder joint.

Treatment

Immediate first aid for any AC joint injury is to apply the PRICE principles of rest, ice, compression and elevation. Apply ice or a cold therapy and compression wrap as soon as possible to reduce pain and swelling. Wear a sling to immobilize the shoulder and ease pain by taking the weight of the arm.

A doctor may prescribe Anti-inflammatory such as ibuprofen medication to reduce pain and inflammation as well as diagnose the injury and assess how bad it is. If a bad AC joint injury is not properly treated it can lead to long term deformity in the form of a lump on top of the shoulder. Ultrasound for minor injuries, or TENS for pain relief can be used in more severe cases.

AC joint separation tapingAn AC joint taping should be applied which fixes and supports the joint into the correct position to assist with healing. The joint may need taping for 2-3 weeks.

As pain allows shoulder exercises specifically recommended for AC joint sprain rehabilitation should be progressed.

Do I need surgery?

A grade 1,2 or 3 injury is usually treated conservatively without surgery. Grade 4,5 and 6 injuries and grade 3 sprains which do not respond to treatment usually require surgery

If this injury is neglected and allowed to heal out of place this could increase the wear and tear on your joint causing you problems in the future.


Hmm.. So then I think.. Sainty ol boy.. what is the exact extent of Jimbo's AC sprain?... ::scampers of to aforementioned interwebs::

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/22/report-garoppolo-has-grade-2-ac-joint-injury/

eport: Jimmy Garoppolo has Grade 2 AC joint injury

Posted by Mike Florio on September 22, 2016, 10:58 AM EST
FOXBORO, MA - SEPTEMBER 18: Jimmy Garoppolo #10 of the New England Patriots runs onto the field before the game against the Miami Dolphins at Gillette Stadium on September 18, 2016 in Foxboro, Massachusetts. (Photo by Jim Rogash/Getty Images)
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The Patriots officially have listed quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo as doubtful for Thursday night’s game against the Texans, a category that as revised for 2016 puts his availability in the fairly wide range of 49.9 percent to 0.1 percent. (Prior to this season, “doubtful” meant that the player had a 25-percent chance of playing.)

It appears that Garoppolo is much closer to 0.1 than 49.9.

Tom Curran of CSN New England reports that Garoppolo has a Grade 2 AC joint injury, a shoulder problem that typically entails a 2-4 week absence. Which means that Garoppolo won’t be able to actually play only four days after the injury.


Otay.. doesn't look like it's that big of a deal..

Heard that many times...and by the end of that season...The talk is no QB is worth a #1 pick.

Next year just scares me....because it's a saying that ends up meaning next year...lol