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Originally Posted By: Damanshot

for 8 years, they did everything they could to stop anything that Obama wanted. And for the most part, they didn't succeed.



Nope, you are not seeing it correctly. We did everything to stop Obama from spending money with both hands. We were not looking to stifle him, just his spending.

We managed to hold him to adding only $10 Trillion to our debt.

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Let me get this straight, since the election the lib's have been
volatile, aggressive, insulting, bullish behavior. So what your saying is: It is alright since you've lost the election to act the same way you accuse Trump of acting? Some how that does not compute.


I would hope the expectations from the President od The United States would be a little higher than the people you disdain.


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You also managed to hold him to only 15 million jobs, with a 3.2 economic growth the last quarter and a booming stock market.

Imagine what he could've accomplished if he didn't have the party of no holding him back.

All well.


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I keep wondering what would have happened if the Right and Left could have put their differences behind and worked together.


We have to take the high road now, no matter how wrong the obstructionists are. We either support our president or we become the obstructionists that they are.


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I keep wondering what would have happened if the Right and Left could have put their differences behind and worked together.


We have to take the high road now, no matter how wrong the obstructionists are. We either support our president or we become the obstructionists that they are.


Your new attitude is very admirable, I wish many of your Congressmen would listen to you. They have chosen the side of divisiveness as they boycott the Inauguration.

If our leaders want a divided Nation, I have no doubt that is exactly what we will have. Our Country's enemies are rooting for it.

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Then they've been winning for the past eight years.


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I keep wondering what would have happened if the Right and Left could have put their differences behind and worked together.


We have to take the high road now, no matter how wrong the obstructionists are. We either support our president or we become the obstructionists that they are.


Your new attitude is very admirable, I wish many of your Congressmen would listen to you. They have chosen the side of divisiveness as they boycott the Inauguration.


Thank You, but coming from you that rings hollow since you supported and still do support the obstructionists point of view and continue on a very low road.

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If our leaders want a divided Nation, I have no doubt that is exactly what we will have.


Your republican leaders who control congress have divided our nation with obstructing our financial recovery, race relations, education, and healthcare more than any other entity. It's high time we all acknowledge that and move forward.

Come join me on the high road.


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Well, just as I thought, you remain on the low and muddy road.

Pfft!

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I'll be looking down on you from time to time. tongue


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I hope to be checking up on you in the future.

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You say Obama added 15 million jobs. According to

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-jobs-has...mp-says-2446822

He has added 9.3 million

You say he has added all these jobs but you fail to mention all the workers who have "Left the workforce" IE ran out of unemployment and still have not found a job. According to

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/18/obamas-record-on-jobs-versus-five-other-presidents.html

Now if you want to brag up Obama adding those 9.3 million jobs then yes he makes the Bushes look really bad, BUT compared to Clinton, Reagan, and Carter he makes himself look bad.

Also Wages have risen more slowly in the last 8 years than they did under Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and even Bush II You know those bugger flipping low paying jobs. Not the kind of jobs people can make a living on. So if you want to brag up your Tech Jobs that most people would have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on in college to get, thats not going to help most of the country.

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You voted for a guy who is the EPITOME of everything you're against when it comes to jobs.


I voted for a guy who is against a lot of things I am, because the alternative was even worse.

Now get off my lawn your young whipper snapper wink


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so i just looked at your links.

i'm going to give you an opportunity to either delete your post, or edit it, before i respond.

you're really making this easy to the point that it's sad.


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moving on:

Trump Suggests, Without Evidence, That CIA Director Is 'Leaker' Behind Unsubstantiated Report

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In an unprecedented escalation of a feud between the incoming president and U.S. intelligence community, President-elect Donald Trump suggested Sunday that outgoing CIA Director John Brennan could be behind the leak of an unsubstantiated report alleging Russia holds compromising information on Trump.

Trump cited critical comments by Brennan in an interview Sunday with Fox News, where Brennan suggested Trump's desire to repair relations with Russia showed he "does not fully understand" the threat the country poses to the United States.

Trump then took to Twitter to ask his more than 19 million followers whether the CIA director was the "leaker of Fake News."

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much worse - just look at Syria (red line), Crimea, Ukraine and the build-up of Russian nukes. Not good! Was this the leaker of Fake News?
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Trump has in the past two weeks accused the intel heads who provided him with the classified briefing on Russia's interference in the U.S. election of leaking the dossier that includes salacious unsubstantiated details that a former MI6 official alleges he obtained from Russian sources.

But his targeting of Brennan is the first time he has called out a specific member of the intel community.

The tweets are a reaction to Brennan cautioning the president-elect to be "very disciplined" with what he says publicly and recognize his words have an impact on U.S. national security once he takes office.

"I think Mr. Trump has to be very disciplined in terms of what it is that he says publicly. He is going to be, in a few days' time, the most powerful person in the world in terms of sitting on top of the United States government and I think he has to recognize that his words do have impact," CIA Director John Brennan said today on "Fox News Sunday."

According to Brennan, "there are many dangers" when a president-elect and the intelligence community are at odds. In recent days, Trump has accused the intelligence community of leaking the unverified 35-page dossier on alleged Trump-Russia relations, even going as far as to compare US intelligence to Nazi Germany.

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"If he doesn't have confidence in the intelligence community, what signal does that send to our partners and allies, as well as our adversaries?" Brennan asked.

Trump Engages CIA in War of Words Over Russian Election Hacking
Trump’s CIA Rebukes Create ‘Unprecedented’ Feud with Intelligence Agencies
Brennan, who reaches the end of his term Friday, also fired back at Trump's comparison of the U.S. intelligence community to Nazi Germany as "outrageous."

"What I do find outrageous is equating the intelligence community with Nazi Germany," Brennan said. "I do take great umbrage at that, and there is no basis for Mr. Trump to point fingers at the intelligence community for leaking information that was already available publicly."

When asked if Trump understands the threat from Russia, Brennan told Fox News, "I don't think he has a full appreciation of Russian capabilities, Russia's intentions, and actions that they are undertaking in many parts of the world."

Brennan added, "Mr. Trump needs to understand that absolving Russia of the various actions it has taken in the past number of years is a road that he, I think, needs to be very, very careful about moving down."

The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment on Brennan's remarks today.

Twice during the interview, the CIA director stressed that he feels Trump needs to understand that it's "more than being about him and it's about the United States and the national security."

"He has to make sure that now he's going to have the opportunity to do something for national security - as opposed to talking and tweeting - he's going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that U.S. national security interests are protected and are advanced," Brennan said.

Brennan warned, "Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests. And so, therefore, when he speaks, when he reacts, just to make sure he understands that the implications and impact on the United States could be profound."

During the interview, he would neither confirm nor deny whether the CIA has information on whether the Trump transition team has had contact with Russia -- something the Trump team has denied.

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all Trump has to do is plant the idea into people's minds.

already see on Twitter the Trumpateers have rallied around this, going after the guy now, saying he definitely leaked it.


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I see GB and GWB where the only two in the group losing jobs at the end of their terms?

Using the term "Left the workforce" and "IE ran out of unemployment" directed only towards the Obama UE % is a bit unfair since that's the way they've been counting UE % long before Obama


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Oh I believe both Bush sr and JR sucked so I also think Obama did a better job at adding jobs than they did. They were just lower paying jobs.


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so i just looked at your links.

i'm going to give you an opportunity to either delete your post, or edit it, before i respond.

you're really making this easy to the point that it's sad.


If your thinking your taking me to the woodshed bro then GO FOR IT. I been there before and I will be there again many times in my life. If you can show me where I am wrong then I don't have a problem admitting it. HOWEVER just because you say I am wrong does not mean I will agree.


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I'm not interested in taking you to the woodshed. You're my boy why would I want that?

I'm just trying to get you to understand that with the economy, obama did a good job, especially with what he was handed out the gate.


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Oh I believe both Bush sr and JR sucked so I also think Obama did a better job at adding jobs than they did. They were just lower paying jobs.


You need to define these lower paid jobs. Because what I do for living right now is the exact same thing I've done for 30 years. My pay has gone up at times and down at times depending who I'm working for. I was laid off in 2008. I moved around a few jobs until I found a good fit again and now my pay is back to where it was in 2008. So it's not just a because their crap jobs for minimum wages. Many companies lay off the higher salaried employees and go after younger lower salaried employees to do the the same job. That's the way the cookie crumbles.


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LOL and I am just saying I disagree.

Now if we can just get Trump to make pot legal in all 50 states we can add good paying jobs, and both be happy at the same time. thumbsup


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I did not and am not saying EVERY job was a burger flipping job. I said he has added less better paying jobs than most of the past presidents since Carter.

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Many companies lay off the higher salaried employees and go after younger lower salaried employees to do the the same job


I agree many do. Also many would rather keep the older employees, as they value their experience, knowledge, hard work, and loyalty. Rather than hiring a young unknown worker. It goes both ways in the business world.


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WOW what a blast from the past! I saw Ted and the Amboy Dukes at Akron Civic Theater back in 74. Great show! Is he performing at the Inauguration?




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LOL and I am just saying I disagree.

Now if we can just get Trump to make pot legal in all 50 states we can add good paying jobs, and both be happy at the same time. thumbsup


Not sure that'll happen with that shriveled up prune of a relic he's tapped to be AG.


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LOL and I am just saying I disagree.

Now if we can just get Trump to make pot legal in all 50 states we can add good paying jobs, and both be happy at the same time. thumbsup


Not sure that'll happen with that shriveled up prune of a relic he's tapped to be AG.


I would think they'll be siding with the individual State laws on this to be consistent with their campaign promises before the election.


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Trump pick for NSC post Crowley to step down: transition officia

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pick-nsc-post-crowley-step-down-transition-174519871.html

Already dropping and the team hasn't even made it to Inauguration Day.


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Yeah,

"A CNN review found she plagiarized thousands of words of her 2000 dissertation for her Columbia University Ph.D.

In addition, Politico reported that it found more than a dozen examples of plagiarism in Crowley's Ph.D. dissertation."

Must have something to do with that.

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Well at least one person got properly vetted in the last 8 years! thumbsup

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Yeah,

"A CNN review found she plagiarized thousands of words of her 2000 dissertation for her Columbia University Ph.D.

In addition, Politico reported that it found more than a dozen examples of plagiarism in Crowley's Ph.D. dissertation."

Must have something to do with that.


She should write speeches for the First Lady, Melvlankia...Melankia...Malvalkia...Call girl.


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- Melania Trump


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The upcoming Civil War is gonna be a real killer!

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We posting fake videos now?


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Yeah,

"A CNN review found she plagiarized thousands of words of her 2000 dissertation for her Columbia University Ph.D.

In addition, Politico reported that it found more than a dozen examples of plagiarism in Crowley's Ph.D. dissertation."

Must have something to do with that.


She should write speeches for the First Lady, Melvlankia...Melankia...Malvalkia...Call girl.


Way to keep it classy, portland.

I expected more out of you. Calling the future first lady a call girl? Refusing to even call her by her name? You call trump orange?

Big time class out of you.

You have become that which you despise.

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lol O'Keef's sting got busted last week.

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Yeah,

"A CNN review found she plagiarized thousands of words of her 2000 dissertation for her Columbia University Ph.D.

In addition, Politico reported that it found more than a dozen examples of plagiarism in Crowley's Ph.D. dissertation."

Must have something to do with that.


She should write speeches for the First Lady, Melvlankia...Melankia...Malvalkia...Call girl.


Way to keep it classy, portland.

I expected more out of you. Calling the future first lady a call girl? Refusing to even call her by her name? You call trump orange?

Big time class out of you.

You have become that which you despise.


I'm acting as a reflection of their class.

I will honestly try harder...they make it so easy...but I will try.


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The vitriol following this election has gotten pretty bad. This is as mad as the Democrats have been since the mid 19th century, when the Republicans told them they couldn't have slaves any more.

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The Democrats started a Civil War over that one too!

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I remember when President Obama told us that elections have consequences, and he won .... so Republicans should just shut up and get out of his way. I remember when Harry Reid neutered the filibuster, and told the Republicans to just shut up and get out of the way.

It often sucks to be hoisted with your own petard.


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[quote=YTownBrownsFan]I remember when President Obama told us that elections have consequences, and he won .... so Republicans should just shut up and get out of his way./quote]

I remember that also.

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Glenn Beck has been saying for years to watch out how far we let the pendulum swing from one extreme on one side to one extreme on the other and to be careful of what you do when you're in power because sooner or later you just might not be, and the rules you made in your favor will now be used against you.

Well, the rules are now against them.

Consequences.


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I remember when President Obama told us that elections have consequences, and he won .... so Republicans should just shut up and get out of his way.


I remember that also.


It's why I believe politics is just a cycle.

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