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I quoted this to make sure Candy sees this.

Why? The dude has been way off on every qb evaluation he has made since he joined the board.

I will stay out of the dumb organization stuff, but I agree on Watson or Mitch in the first. We need to build the base.

A team that builds to limit points score against has a better chance then a team who builds to win shootouts.

You can't count of scoring 35 a week. It's easier, and surer to build a team that can keep teams under 24 a game. That makes the O gameplan more attainable.

Ah, I see what you were saying. Misread that, apologies, dawg!

Especially when your playing on the shores of lake erie in Dec and maybe, hopefully someday in Jan ... having a GREAT D will take u alot further than a great O ...

Both have a tendency to get stuck on their first read, and clever defensive coordinators will show man looks pre-snap and switch to zone post snap, and Watson sometimes will eat it up. By my count it burned him for 7 INTs this past season.

Also, if I'm Watson I do NOT go to the senior bowl. Let the lasting image of him be him holding up the trophy. That was him at his peak and he has nowhere to go but down.

See my post, somewhere, about what I would've told him if he was my son.

Just read the senior bowl thread and I agree with you.

Also, I admit I'm very "pro-player." Watson needs to do what's best for him and I'm not gonna judge him either way.

While Watson has some intangibles, he is not that accurate, and IMO, in the NFL that means trouble.

he finished this season with a 67% completion percentage.

I don't watch much college football, but man was Watson impressive in the title game. I had seen a little bit of him earlier in the year and I wasn't impressed. They were playing Louisville and I thought Watson looked like an athlete playing QB as opposed to Lamar Jackson who I thought looked really good as a QB. But that's not the Watson I saw in the title game. His after the game interview also painted him in a positive light.

I think Jackson is going to fall in love with him, and he will be a Brown at 12. I'm not sure if that will be good or bad, but I suspect the guy will work his arse off and give it all hes got.

I still prefer Garrapolo, but I just don't think the Browns will be smart enough to do something that makes the most sense. Garapolo is the reason the Browns acquired assets and draft capital, but they'll be too chicken chit to pull the trigger. Got to keep those draft picks!

The way QB's shoot up the boards after the end of year ... I think Trub and Watson both gone by the 6th pick.

Completing a large of number of your passes and being accurate are not the same thing.

Wish you would tell the Jimmy G guys that.

So you agree?

i agree with your statement, in general.

but completion percentage gets the discussion going with regards to accuracy.

and i think, by watching Watson play, that he is accurate.

Jimmy G has great ball placement. He also has really nice touch on his passes. But nice try. He is a VERY good pocket passer with instincts to throw first and run as a last resort.

There is a reason Watson is not talked about as a #1 overall. It's his bad ball placement on his passes and his unnecessary risk taking that cause too many interceptions. He gets happy feet where he doesn't trust people to get open so trusts his legs too much and to many that means he will have a higher chance to get hurt.

Stats are not everything. You have to evaluate how those stats came into being and actual skill sets.

The whole Watson as inaccurate perception, especially in this forum is curious to me.

I'm charting some games from the this year's QB prospects and I don't no where the idea that Watson is inaccurate comes from. From watching and charting the actual games the idea of Watson as inaccurate just doesn't hold water for me.
I would gladly welcome someone joining the QB breakdown threads and showing me where these inaccurate throws are.
If people are gonna say Watson is inaccurate then all this years prospects are likewise inaccurate.

Anyhow I thought this fit here, and I'm sure as we get nearer to the draft more hard numbers will come out. This article has Watson missed throws at 11%.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-d...value/undefined




Inconsistent? Sure. Slow starter? That's fair.
But dude puts the ball on the money, and he's adept at making back shoulder throws which shows advanced ball placement.

Watson has flaws to be sure. But for me accuracy is not one of them.

Calmly going through his reads.

You sound a lot like Da-Mans-Hot at times.

You are seriously saying that completion percentage proves you are accurate?

And bro...........ain't no way that you could have watched the recent vids that were posted in the Pure Football forum on Jimmy G and still question his accuracy. Thus, that tells me you did not watch them and you made your mind up w/out educating yourself.

^^I think the throw above to Renfro is the one McCown is referring to:



http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/11/

That injury was a fluke. He was pulling up, decelerating. He got pushed from behind by an opposing player and that accelerated him into the hit on the sideline that hurt him. That could have happened to anyone. It is what it is. He's on the roster another year. If we draft a kid high we will want him to sit a little while anyway. I was against the RG3 signing but he proved me wrong. He's a good teammate and he busts his ass trying to get better. Can't ask for more than that. With the new rules on concussion, you need more QB's on the roster. Besides, at this poi9nt in time, he's the best QB we have on the team......

Most dynamic thrower, probably. Best QB, I don't think so. Watching RG3 in the pocket is painful. Or perhaps I should say watching RG3 run out of the pocket into sacks.

The other options are a guy who started one season and the other completed 58% of his passes and got benched during the Standford game.


This isn't even a question. No more passing on QB's, DRAFT TWO if you want to be safe! Watson 1, Kizer 12, I don't even care.

Stay away from the crap in this draft when it comes to QB. Other than Trub none of them are much better than RG3 if at all. I'd much rather trade for Jimmy G. than use pick 12 on a QB in this draft.

I honestly don't get it. We have a prospect with a good Arm, proven winner, good Athlete, good Character and intangibles and still people say there is no QB this year worth it?

By the way, I still think Vince Young and RG3 were good QB's, worthy of the picks, they were ruined/miss managed by the coaches. Manziel was also an OK/good player, problem was character.

So just check Watson for character issues / adictions and we are set for #1

While I won't get into which QB's are better...I don't care if you think its RG3, Watson, Trubinsky, Wentz (who I felt you should have taken last year, Jimmy G, or heck even going another round with Manziel.

IMO you have to get your QB. I know the other side of that argument is the build the base, and yes that also has merit. But as I have been watching the playoffs...even the playoff hunt...the league is littered with ex Browns who should be making up the base of what you are trying to build.

The Browns Oline was not very good this year.....Yet I am watching Mack and Schwartz play in the playoffs both two of the best at their positions in the whole NFL....I saw players the Browns have flat out CUT, being contributors to teams trying to get a ring. Steelers, Pats, Falcons (not sure about Packers) all have ex Browns contributing to their run.

Every team is its own puzzle, but good football players are either fleeing Berea or getting thrown out the door.

I think we have seen if you do not have YOUR QB....you base will constantly turn over.

Jerry Jones in an interview last weekend said he built the Cowboys around Tony Romo...he built the line to protect him...he got the skill players to give him weapons. Now for the build the base guys...that is what made Dak be able to step right in and not miss a beat. But they had no idea what they had in DAK, and without Romo getting hurt Dak would never have seen the field this year. They had THEIR guy....turned out they had 2.

I think you get your QB...now who that is it completely up for debate.

HACK

Watson is not participating in the Senior Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-to-senior-bowl

Selfishly I wish he was playing (or at least practicing). But I totally understand not wanting to go when he's been grinding for a while now.

We used to have Dion Lewis too

Don't forget about Gilbert and Mingo!

Pats used to have Collins too...mute point.

Sign language?

Just in case you didn't get my attempt at humor...........it's a "moot point," rather than a "mute point." LOL

lol I get it...yea what happens when my mind is going faster than my fingers are typing lol

Yeah, I do that all the time. I was reading one of my posts today and I listed several items and used the word "is" instead of "are." On another one, I should have used "his," but I used "him."

Here is one that was way worse. I was talking in the EE forum about Rush and the conservatives. I said something like us liberals in the past didn't resort to name calling like idiots like Rush.

LOL.......that was bad, man! I called him an idiot after saying we didn't do that.

Or if you are Joey Tribbiani
The point is Moo.
It's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter
It's moo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwYpSCrlHU

ya I hear ya...happens most when my mind is going two different directions.

I feel if you swapped teams with a guy like Brad Kaaya we would NEVER even talk about Watson as an NFL QB. It's why I think the "he's a winner" narrative is the dumbest in all of sports history. I feel it was coined by ESPN and sports media for the simple minded casual sports fan who has no idea what a QB is supposed to do. If you put Watson on an average team, magically that narrative never sticks to him.