I went to the library yesterday and checked out some CDs. I started to put them on my iPod, but halfway through I began to wonder if I was stealing the music. I have alot of free music I got from friends, as well. Do you guys think that is stealing?
First off...You must be feeling some remorse ,or you would not be posting this.
Second...in a way I feel it is stealing, But is it breaking the law? Hmmmm? not sure....If it is making you feel like you are doing something wrong , then dont do it jmho.
As long as you delete them when you are done listening to them, then you are doing exactly what the librarian that added those CDs to the collection intended for you to do; borrow the music, listen to it for a reasonable period of time, then "return" it. In this case, you would be "returning" it when you delete the file.
Do not feel any guilt for doing exactly what Fair Use allows for you to do; even if the RIAA has spewed enough FUD to make you think that what you are doing is in any way wrong.
Keeping the files indefinitely would be wrong, but borrowing is not in any way wrong.
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Just kidding, Listen to yourself, not a big stealing sin, I think thier are other bigger problems God's gonna be working on,
But just for you thinking and feeling the way you did over this, does state somewhat what type of person you really are....and that must be an honest one,
Many rules / laws werent made to keep thiefs away, they were made to keep honest people honest.
Coldplay is one of the CDs I checked out. But it isn't my fault because it is library music and the selection is fairly pathetic. I guess I could delete them after a "reasonable amount of time." How does 40 years sound?
But I want to know if there is anyone here who can say they never copy music or accept copied music because they think it is stealing.
Quote: I know a few If you listen to it in your i-Pod and your not making CD's to bootleg then it's not a big deal.
I'll say that's good enough. However, if your conscience says otherwise, follow what it says to keep your ability to look yourself in the mirror. My conscience makes me do things I don't like to do all the time........stupid parents for teaching me to be a good person.
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I don't think it's stealing. I've done it. Back in the day before cd burners, I'd copy it on a cassette tape. Same thing. Like they always say, morality is in the eye of the beholder.
I make mixed cds by getting free music. I won't feel guilty for doing so either because until musicians start making an entire album that is good I'm not gonna buy one. Musicians today can't hang with the musicians from the eighties and earlier.
Quote: Musicians today can't hang with the musicians from the eighties and earlier.
WHAT? The 80's? I don't know what kind of music you're listening to but the stuff I'm listening to these days is as good or better than a good chunk of the garbage produced (highly overproduced) in the 1980's. Is it the musicians, or is the problem you. Are you one of those people who stopped listening to, and looking for, new music after highschool. Trying to forever relive those years by playing Back in Black as though it should still be relavant? If so you need to branch out. And listening to todays radio is not the place that I would start. Video killed the radio star. Anymore the airwaves are filled with talentless hacks, and packageable pop fluff. Look around, there is some GREAT music being made today by some VERY talented, gifted musicians.
I agree with the your opinion that video's have really hurt what we hear on the airwaves from a "musical talent" standpoint.
With that said,quality musical talent was mixed in rather well into commercial radio "to some extent" on a far more regular basis before videos.
I don't think there's a problem with the quality of music that's "out there somewhere",but it's much harder to find and not nearly as readily available and "heard by the masses" as it used to be IMO
BTW- Mantis,IMO,if you're not "saling" or "reproducing" the music for profit,I don't see it as a "moral issue". But if you see it as a conflict yourself,as has been stated previously in this thread,then follow your insticts.
But my thinking is,since it's "free for your enjoyment" through the library,then you legaly have access to listen to it "free" anyway. What form you put that into for your "private listenning pleasure",the end result is the same. You can enjoy it for "free".
Now if you get into the realm of "sharing files and downloads" with others,to me,that's where I'd have issues with it on a personal basis from my perspective.
JMHO
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Quote: Like they always say, morality is in the eye of the beholder.
It's not about morality, it's about LEGALITY.
I think it is both. I guess it depends on your definition of "intellectual property." If an artist makes an album, does it not belong to them after its completion and release into the public domain. If it is no longer their property after this then there is no problem. But if it still belongs to them then shouldn't they have the power to control what happens to it? If an artist creates an album for profit then any action taken by an individual to posess the material for free would be usurpation of the artist's control. It would be like going to their house and stealing one of their guitars. If this is true, then all we have in this thread is alot of moral relativism which, in my opinion. is not morality at all.
Does that make sense, or do I have something wrong?
Dave Schools (b. December 11, 1964) is the bassist for the band Widespread Panic. He hails from Richmond, Virginia.He has numerous side projects with Jerry Joseph, The Stockholm Syndrome, J Mascis and the Fog, Slang, and Acetate. Schools has played bass with Gov't Mule in the past. He plays Modulus Quantum 6 basses through Ampeg cabinets and a variety of Amp models such as Ampeg SVT and Demeter.One thing that sets him aprt from other bass players is his utilization of effects. Schools uses a boomerang phrase sampler, a moog moogerfooger low pass filter, Boss DM 3 analog delay, ElectroHarmonix micro Synth,Ernie Ball VP and other various effects. He recently mentioned that Jeff Lewis of Memphis 10 provides him with his baby supply and gave him pointers on all of his D&B sessions.He is also the sole owner of the late Allen Woody's bass guitars.
John Bell, the lead vocalist/rythem guitarist is a Cleveland native. He often wears Indian's and Brown's gear on stage. A little Detroit Tiger stuff too.
I've been a die hard Spreadneck since 1997. They blow me away regularly. Though there was a few dark years after their lead guitarist died of pancreatic cancer in 2002. The guy filling in had BIG shoes to fill. It proved to be more than he could handle. The band released him last fall. Jimmy Herring has come on board and the band is re-finding it's thunder with him on the lead. Technically speaking, Jimmy is the best the band has ever had. But the sound has changed since Michael "Panic" Houser's passing. I'll always miss his lingering lead. RIP.
If you check out a book, and photographically memorize its entire contents into your brain-housing-group, is that stealing ??
Our economy prays, and then preys, for people to do just what you are doing. They want you to buy that technology; they need you to buy that technology; and they don't care otherwise.
I don't think you should feel a bit of remorse making a copy borrowed from a public library -- that I pay taxes to provide -- that provides you with the freedom to suck any and all knowledge you can out of it, regardless of its form or forum.
Do the musicians pay the libraries for giving them free advertising ??
Now, selling the "copy" for profit would be a different story.
Actually Star,I've BOUGHT a lot of music that way. People have burned me CD's of a "mix" of artists I'm unfamiliar with. And I've liked some SO well,I went out and bought their CD.
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Quote: I recently bought a 2 gig hard drive and burnt my collection of 728 CDs....something like that............nice to have my own damn jukebox
'Glow -- this is what I need to do to keep practicing (all that 80's music that no one listens to ,... ) in my studio. Did it work good ?? Worth doing ??
Quote: I have one Panic album...........Earth to America......I like it!
What are your favorites from the band......I know the live stuff has to be really good for sure!
Earth to America is ok but my tastes go back to the pre George McConnell on lead, years. Check out Light Fuse Get Away, or Live from the Classic City. Or download as much legal Panic as you want http://digitalpanic.org/btforums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=7 . They encourage recording and sharing of their live performances. And with todays equiptment the sound of these recordings is really high quality.
Songs like Chilly Water, Pigeons, Arleen, Fishwater... How can you go wrong?
Quote: I recently bought a 2 gig hard drive and burnt my collection of 728 CDs....something like that............nice to have my own damn jukebox
'Glow -- this is what I need to do to keep practicing (all that 80's music that no one listens to ,... ) in my studio. Did it work good ?? Worth doing ??
Works great..............all in the windows media player.............click on artist and it gives the bands in alphabetic order....then you click on the band and it shows all the album covers from the bands you have burnt.....with all the songs that are on that album!
You can make so many play lists or burn list......lots of variety to put on a CD with little work.........it works well for me!
And I got the hard drive for less then 50 bucks............also nice for pictures as well.....plenty of room to back up all my music and pictures on one hard drive........no more running to the CD storage rack and deciding what the hell I want to listen to.....try it out man............have a feeling you will enjoy!
Only widespread song I really know is One Armed Steve. Great song... lol
(Just my two cents)
Oh yeah, and this woman I know from New Mexico is friends with the band (Widespread). She tried to get me and my boy tickets, backstage, the whole deal; but this was before I really enjoyed jam bands so I never took her up on the offer. She said they were very cool guys though, and that they hung out with the members of Phish. So yeah she's like eaten dinner with both bands, like at a table, and politely and stuff. lol.
Anyway, she says they're the nicest guys and always give her and her husband backstage passes. They've been held up by security before, but the band always gets them back there to hang out (Probably because they're honest to go friends)
Quote: I agree with the your opinion that video's have really hurt what we hear on the airwaves from a "musical talent" standpoint.
With that said,quality musical talent was mixed in rather well into commercial radio "to some extent" on a far more regular basis before videos.
I don't think there's a problem with the quality of music that's "out there somewhere",but it's much harder to find and not nearly as readily available and "heard by the masses" as it used to be IMO
I see your point, but I don't think it was really videos themselves, as much as the record companies. Hear me out on this.
Before videos, and really videos were around back in the 60's, just not as accessible as when MTV came out, people heard the music on the radio, and either liked or disliked songs. If they liked it, they bought the album, and that was often the first time the people visually saw what the band looked like, assuming they even had their pictures in there.
When MTV came out, and everyone and their brother was making a video for any song that got released, suddenly, looks and image became as important, if not more important than the music itself.
This is when the record companies started putting out acts strictly on looks and image, and had little to do with music. Add to that the explosion of recording companies in the 80's, and particularly Geffen records who was well know for signing just about anyone.
This is when they started making "bands"(and I use the term loosely), literally holding auditions to put together groups, New Kids On The Block, Spice Girls, Destiny's Child, etc. Because it was all about looks.
Well MTV gave out to Hip Hop, and eventually gave out to Reality TV, they shouldn't even use the name MTV anymore. Rock video are shown on MTV2, but not nearly as often as the Hip Hop.
Now you have a huge youth population of Hip Hop folks, where learning to play an instrument has no place. So the quantity of musicians has died down. With less quantity, you will get few that create quality products.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I guess I could delete them after a "reasonable amount of time." How does 40 years sound?
If you listen to it in your i-Pod and your not making CD's to bootleg then it's not a big deal.
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