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Browns Reportedly Could Have Long-Term Deal In Place With OLB Jamie Collins By This Weekend

Jason La Canfora reports that the Browns have made “significant progress” on a long-term extension with impending free-agent OLB Jamie Collins.

According to La Canfora, a deal between the Browns and Collins could be done by this weekend.
If the Browns can get an extension in place with Collins before the start of free agency, it would free up their franchise tag for them to use on WR Terrelle Pryor, who is also in line to be an unrestricted free agent.

You can expect the numbers in Collins’ next contract to be very high, especially if he’s willing to sign the deal this far in advance of free agency.

The Browns made it clear that locking Collins and Pryor up long-term will be among their top priorities this offseason.

Collins told reporters during the season that while he doesn’t like losing, he would be willing to re-sign with Cleveland “if the money is right.”

“(Losing is a deterrent) but at the same time, money comes into play around that time,” said Collins, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “If the money is right then I could stay here. Obviously I’m not going to turn it down.”

Collins, 27, is a former second-round pick of the Patriots back in 2013. The Patriots surprisingly traded him to the Browns for a conditional 2018 fourth-round pick that can become a 2017 third-round compensatory pick, depending on whether Cleveland receives one next year.

In 2016, Collins has appeared in 15 games for the Patriots and recorded 112 tackles, three sacks, two interceptions, two forced fumbles and three pass defenses. Pro Football Focus has him rated as the No. 44 edge rusher out of 109 qualifying players.]

http://nfltraderumors.co/browns-made-significant-progress-extension-olb-jamie-collins/

Great news if/when the deal gets done. Hopefully, Greg Williams will be able to keep Collins motivated if and when the losses pile up.

Can't afford to let talent walk.

pleasseeeeeeeeeee #getrdone

Man, for a guy who almost every poster on here says is a liar and you can't believe anything he says about the Browns, La Canfora sure seems to break a lot of stories on this team.

hopefully they make this happen. the hole was filled when we traded for him, lets not recreate it.

He is a liar. There's evidence on this site that proves it. He stole information and claimed an exec gave it to him when it was actually something produced by another media type.

But yes, he broke this story.

He's broken a ton of stories. Who broke the story about Shanny wanting to leave? Who broke the story about the dissension between Farmer and Pet? Who broke the story about Williams being hired.

You guys don't like him because he bad-mouths the Browns. Plain and simple.

JLC didn't break the Williams hire, Alex Marvez did. I don't remember who broke the other stories, but sure, it could have been JLC. But it might not have been. I have no clue.

No matter....I like to see the report. We need to get some of this done. Quit bickering about the darn reporter.....and this is just a comment, not just aimed at you Vers. I just clicked and replied.


I have no problems with La Canfora. Sometimes he is right, others, not. You have to take all of these guys with a grain of salt.

Von Miller money or no?

This is awesome, if true. I didn't have the best feeling about our chances.

Now back to the pointless, already tedious, thread-space consuming La Confora debate. So riveting...

Positive:

We can now franchise Pryor (if we so choose).

Good news when and if he's signed, sealed and delivered. It certainly won't hurt. And while I know some posters get hung up on how signing so-and-so affects the cap, I personally don't care.

I wanted to add that players that sign extensions this time of year usually sign for below market deals (for example, Derek Wolfe this time last year). We'll see what happens with Collins.

I agree w/this for the most part.

While there is some concern w/Collins because NE dumped him for next to nothing, the Browns desperately need talented players.

At this point in time, I see this as a positive move by the FO. I do wonder why NE would let him go for almost nothing, but we can't keep creating holes by letting good players go. I'm encouraged that they were willing to spend the money to retain one of their own.

LMAO........yes, saying "this is awesome" is far more riveting.

Vers there are a lot of cap prusposes. It's the same reason they traded chandler jones. They dumped the 2 they wouldn't be resigning this and next year so they could afford to resign elsewhere

There is probably a lot more to it than that, pred. They dumped him in the middle of the season in which they have a legit shot at the Super Bowl. Nah, something has to be off w/the guy.

Look.............a ton of people are bad-mouthing Jimmy G because the Pats might trade him. They say stuff like "how good can Jimmy G be if the Pats are willing to trade him?" Meanwhile, Jimmy G is backing up Tom Brady, who might be the GOAT and will be a FA after next year, yet NE has kept him around this season while trading Collins for peanuts DURING a season when there is no one close to Brady's stature and ability to replace Collins.

Something's a bit off. But again, unless Collins turns out to a total dick and doesn't play hard next year, I support this move. And since we can't totally predict how Collins will react, I support this move because we can't constantly keep creating more holes in a team full of holes.

Oh I don't doubt that there could be other factors. But trading him for value when you know you couldn't bring him back is a big part of it. It's similar to the Jimmy cap sitatution In that regard. They have some big $ to spend for their cbs and MLB especially. If I had to choose between bring back Logan, collins or Hightower I'd dump collins too.

“(Losing is a deterrent) but at the same time, money comes into play around that time,” said Collins, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “If the money is right then I could stay here. Obviously I’m not going to turn it down.”

Boy, that's encouraging.

I'd like to get the board's take on what they see as overpaying vs. a good deal?

The "good deal" range in my opionio:

28-32 million guaranteed

8-11 million a year.

Minimum four year deal

Nowhere near Von Miller money. He isn't even close as a player.

I think anything higher is overpaying for him. (But, there is always a Jacksonville who will overpay for above average level talent)

He's 27 so the analytics in me says 3 if he'll take it but no more than 4 years. With 3 years you can let him hit FA and get a good comp pick for a 30+ FA.
32 guarantee is way too high imo unless your talking 6 years which I think is a terrible idea. My ideal would be 3 yr 16 guaranteed 35ish total. Shoot for 40% guaranteed no more than 12/year essentially.

My guess is that he will be our linebacker who is on the field for 100% of the snaps. He can play the run, cover, and rush the passer.

The top of the market for those type of guys is Luke Kuechly. He got $27 million guaranteed. I would expect he gets several million less than that, I would say he gets somewhere between $18 and $21 million guaranteed (and that would be pretty fair value).

Let's not pretend that a lot of players don't make decisions based on money. A guy, like Alex Mack, made his decision to leave because he was tired of the perpetual losing here, but he also got the most money from Atlanta.

Also, like coaches, many times players believe that they are the difference between a team winning or losing. As reported in one of the articles I read, Collins has also forged some strong friendships on the team, especially a strong friendship with Kirksey.

I don't think that it was any coincidence, though, that the 1st thing mentioned was money. Might as well get the team thinking that top dollar will keep you as you head into free agency.

That is way, way too much. Collins is not a pass rusher. That would make him the highest paid linebacker among players that are similar (non-pass rushing linebackers, Kuechly, Marshall, Cushing, Lee, etc.).

I'd give him that in a heartbeat. Wa can afford it.

This.

What? LMAO

The guy is a proven liar. It doesn't mean he lies all the time, but in a business where credibility should mean something, he doesn't have much.

Haslam has never been found guilty of anything and you constantly refer to him as a crook. You state it as a fact. Yet, it isn't a fact. LaCanfora was caught in a bold face lie, yet you defend him.

I think that one of the big reasons Mack chose Atlanta was because Shanny was there. At least that is what he said. I'm sure that a player as good as Mack would have gotten good money from a number of teams.

That isn't what we said. We were talking about who wrote certain stories.

Are you denying that he was the one who wrote about why Shanny wanted to leave Cleveland?

Are you denying that he was the one who first reported about the dysfunction w/in the Brown's FO?

Heck, even the in this current forum, there is a story written by him that the Browns were going to sign Williams.

Here is my take. The Brown's are trash. JLC reports it. Thus, Brown's fans hate him.

Man, put in on the La Conforna thread.

What do you think is overpaying for Collins?

What are your numbers?

Oh, I almost missed this gem. LOL...............Yep, Jimmy paid about $150 million because he was innocent. Give me a break!

No idea. I am not educated on the financial aspects of the NFL and unlike many others, I refuse to pretend I know what I am talking about when I don't.

I'm just asking for the opinion of those out there. If you're not an expert then don't give your opinion.

For us non-experts:

I didn't.

I think that had an impact on his decision, but a player who follows a coordinator is actually kind of foolish. What I mean is, Mack signed a 5 year deal, and Shanny is reportedly going to be the Niners new head coach. So he went and played for him for one year.

Head coach, especially a well established and winning head coach is one thing, but coordinators, either because they succeed, or because they fail, could be gone in no time flat, and there is no guarantee that the guy who replaces him will use the same schemes and systems.

I am just going by an actual quote from Mack, YTown. And I don't know how foolish he is considering he is the Conference Championship game and out of the hell-hole that is the Cleveland Browns organization.

I'm not saying that that he was foolish to go to a darn good team, with an experienced franchise QB in place. All I am saying is that basing the next 5 years of your career on an idea that an assistant coach will be where you sign is foolish. He definitely made the right choice as far as winning goes, but he will wind up only having had 1 year with Shanny, if that was his main reason for going to Atlanta.

I didn't say it was his main reason. I just repeated what he said about why he chose Atlanta. It worked out for him. I don't think it was a foolish decision in the slightest.