DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Hiring Gregg Williams (according to LaCanfora)

So, if the majority is for it, you're against it.

If the majority is against it, you're for it.

I've noticed this pattern for quite a while now.

Considering my record vs the majority, you might want to become a minority.

Relax little bro.........it's a joke.

your record is spotty like everybody else tho lol

I've noticed the same thing.

And Vers, that was a funny comment under his post, it cracked me up.

Swish don't know if you saw this or not lol-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=V5NHfcZIFkE

Really?

Like Farmer? Like Weeden? Like your boy TRich? Like Holmgren? Like me saying that coaches were going to get fired? Like me saying that neither Hue or Horton were going to make a huge difference? Like me saying that losing Mack, Schwartz, and Gipson were going to hurt the team? Want me to keep going, bro?

Unlike most folks on here...........I actually admit it when I am wrong. And I have been wrong plenty of times.........just not nearly as much as the "majority."

Look, I think firing coaches over and over again doesn't work. It's your choice if you guys wanna pretend that isn't the truth, but don't expect me to sit here and agree w/idiocy.

Btw----------I think Williams is a loud-mouthed punk. But, a year from now.........I will probably be the one defending his big-mouthed ass while the majority is calling for his head!

Not sure which question he dodged. Oh....bountygate....why talk about that. He did at the end give Grossi a break ....he said that is no part of the dawgpound.


He also stuck up for the last group of coaches. He said there were some really good coaches here.



Did you hear that?


Anyway, the guy is impressive. I liked him saying he might not be able to cut them, but he decides who is going to play. If the day comes that he can't, then Tony will get to coach the D.

You aren't sure which question he dodged? LMAO......go talk to the kids, peen.

Not sure how anyone in their right freaking mind would think that the question wasn't worthy???? The dude was suspended from the league for it.......but no.........it's not important.

He is a phony punk!

So we're clear and talking football, you don't think he can coach? Right? And regardless of the talent we add on defense you think his scheme will suck.

Despite a previous saints player claiming they won a SB because of this guy, you don't think that's true?

Because of bounty gate , despite serving his punishment you don't believe he should be given another chance ? And forever he should always need to answer media questions about bounty gate ??

Just want to be sure I understand your take.

For myself I would have been ok with continuity and keeping Horton and giving him more talent. But I'm glad we didn't. I like the attitude I see and the praise this guy gets from previous players.

I love it whenever someone punks one of Cleveland's sports reporters. It being Grossi is just the cherry on top. Don't worry, Grossi will throw punches back.

I can definitely understand how his personality can rub people the wrong way. Hopefully, that personality is exactly what our D needs.

No use calling him names before he's even had a chance to do anything on the field.

Other than just being your usual self, how in the world did you get that out of what I said?????

I think he is a good DC. Is that enough for you?

Williams low key toots his horn a lot.

You ignored all my other comments. I ended that he did address the question.

I do think the question was mostly baseless. It has nothing to do with the moment. It's old news. It's not the question that should be asked at a opening press conference.


And to be honest, I don't really care about it. I didn't then, and do less today. I was more interested in all the other questions asked and answered.

That's fine, but just because you don't care is not reason for me and others who like to be objective to care.

I'll put it to you this way.............Mention the name Gregg Williams and the first thought most people have and WILL HAVE is that he was the guy who got busted for Bountygate after being warned to stop it. His arrogance allowed him to ignore the requests to stop and he was rightfully busted for it.

He sure as hell won't be remembered for his 23rd ranked defense last year.

It's just another case of homers being homers........and again.......we'll see what y'all will be saying next year at this time. Y'all have a case of selective memory.

It really isn't homers being homers. I like Suprrier because he was out to score. Some didn't like him running up scores. I believe you can never score enough points. It's not his job to dial down. It's theirs to dial up. If you can knock out a few teeth and send guys to the bench while playing D, all the better.

That is the team I want in Cleveland. Score lot's of points and hold them to nothing. Send them packing, sore and bruised, and missing their front teeth. You can do that without being "dirty".


Either we or they can get beat up. My stance is I want us doing the beat down. Yep....every day of the week I want that.

I have no idea how that applies to this firing and hiring.

I will even say it.....I want us to be a fringe "dirty" team. As a teen, I loved watching the AFL games on NBC and watching Ben Davidson beating the heck out of Namath.

I want that. I belive a few roughing calls are a necessary part of playing D. You have to place them at the right time, but they serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things.

Send the message early, and more often once you get ahead.

Here is what I want: A winning team.

And until we stop firing coaches and FO personnel, we are going to continue to lose.

Fans, media members, and Jimmy the Crook can deceive themselves all day every day, but constantly making changes in those areas has done nothing but set this team back.

It is not even a true debate. Not even close.

Like I said in another thread, Joe T is saying the same things I am. Guess he is stupid, too?

5 things to know from Gregg Williams’ introductory press conference

Posted 3 hours ago

1. Asked if Cleveland would be switching to a 4-3 base under his watch, Gregg Williams didn’t hesitate to shut down that line of thinking.

“Nope,” the new Browns defensive coordinator said. “We’re Cleveland-based.”

Shortly after Williams was hired, Browns coach Hue Jackson lauded the veteran coordinator for his ability to adapt to the personnel he inherits. Though the Rams played out of a 4-3 a decent amount of time during his three years with the team, Williams had the group learn and utilize multiple, different formations.

“I have 42 words that add up to the 11 that trot out to the field. You guys that have studied me before, we’ll play 4-3 and 3-4 in the same game. 3-3, 3-2, 4-1, 4-2, bear, big on five down, big on six down, big on more linebackers, little on more DB’s. I have 42 packages of defense,” Williams said. “Now everywhere I go, I don’t do them all. What it is, coaches sit in a room and we waste so much time wondering what the word is. I have the words already. I’ve been doing it for so long. So boom, this 11 guys, boom this 11 guys trot out there.”

The nature of the competition Cleveland is poised to face six times a year in the AFC North will have an effect, too.

“I’m also not afraid to make sure all of the other people are going to have to work on things that I’m never going to call,” Williams said. “They’ve got to practice all week long on 4-3, 3-4, 2-2, all of that kind of stuff, and I’m not even going to do it next week. So that’s OK, too.”

2. Over the past week, Williams said he’s heard from a number of current Browns defensive players and had a few pop by his office for an introduction. He’s watched five or six games from last season but admits he won’t know what he truly has until he sees them on the practice field.

“In all honesty, I may not watch another clip and I do not care,” Williams said. “Until I get a chance to be in the meeting room with them, talk, move around, get on the field with them, that is when the true evaluation is made. One of the things is that I have never complained to one head coach, to one owner, to one GM about a guy I get to coach. Never. Now, do not get offended on how I have to coach him. I have to find a way to get him to work, and if he got in the door at this level he has a skillset.

“I can only affect what mom and dad gave him in the gene pool about that much, and how I do that is not accept what mom and dad says has been alright their whole life. I have to butt their head up against the cap of what the genes say that they can do and can’t do.”

3. Williams joked about his run-ins with Browns fans throughout his career and expressed a sense of excitement about being the beneficiary of all the havoc the Dawg Pound can wreak on opposing teams.

“I can’t wait to be on their side now,” Williams said. “I say that with respect. I love them. I love the fact that when I came into the stadium, about how loud they were, how much fun they had coming to the games and how much they loved the Cleveland Browns. When we have home field advantage it is because we can flat play some defense. Everybody came to watch that defense rock and roll.”

4. Asked to describe his defense, Williams needed a few minutes. It was a simple question that deserved a complex answer.

Ultimately, though, it comes down to six words. “Find ball, see ball, get ball.”

“We are find ball, see ball, get ball, and if you aren’t around the ball when it is over with and we are in our end zone shot, you are probably moving into the broadcast booth, moving into the beer vendor’s booth, moving into helping the guy hold the down markers on the sideline,” Williams said. “I have already talked with Hue and (Owner Jimmy Haslam) – I can’t cut them, but as long as I am here I am going to decide who plays on defense.”

5. Williams described the recent staff changes on the defensive side of the ball as a collaborative effort between himself and Jackson, both of whom interviewed the candidates.

Of the five new hires Cleveland announced Thursday, four are on defense -- defensive line coach Clyde Simmons, linebackers coach Blake Williams, defensive backs coach DeWayne Walker and assistant defensive backs coach Jerod Kruse.

“I’ve gone places by myself before. But he believed, and I believe too, is that the familiarity with some of these people that have come in here with me -- some of them have played for me and some of them have coached for me in other places and been with me or things -- the learning curve for them is brief,” Williams said. “For some of them, it is just a reminder. They say, ‘Uh oh, I forgot Gregg acted that way.’ Yeah, I still act that way and we’re still going to do this. That helps to hopefully hit the ground running when the players get back in here.”


http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/5-things-to-know-from-Gregg-Williams%E2%80%99-introductory-press-conference/fd94bf6b-8e0a-4947-ad42-c5ca26ebbf44

Just watched the whole damn thing, a 45-minute press conference. Wire-to-wire.
He is talkative, confident in his abilities and knowledge, and his way of doing things. That's all good.
He has a subtle sense of humour.
Grossi opening the presser with a Bountygate question was a bit classless IMO. It's not an unfair question, but I'd have waited if I were grossi. If so many of his ex-players still look up to him - if that is true - then it speaks well of him as a person.
I'm with peen on Bountygate - I never cared that much about it. Main thing is: he's got a great rep as a DC, and we want a great defence.

He also name dropped Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, "Alabama coaches," and "Clemson coaches" as a way to seem smarter.

He is very full of himself.

(If you didn't notice our head coach is the same way.)

who cares if he name drops?
I like to play guitar, and if I jammed with Jimi Hendrix, I'd be name-dropping Jimi Hendrix every chance I got.

Wrong thread.

I'm sure it's heavily incentive laden. He was very hot cold this year

I wonder how many people were saying they wanted Gregg Williams as our DC before the rumors started that he might get hired? I can't remember one person advocating him being our DC. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I can honestly say Vers if I had a list of available candidates he would've been my choice. But did I research who was available and advocate? No. Pretty much stick to draft talk.

As soon as Fischer was fired, Williams became a candidate.

I haven't seen a game in years thanks to work. I couldn't tell you half the staff or players I used to. I had no idea where he was.

If this guy can coach as tough as he talks and as good as he sounded, Hue might of just hired his future replacement.

True.

But we had a unique situation in that we learned about Horton being out and Williams being our main target all at once.

While plenty wanted Horton gone, I don't recall many people listing their candidates before he was canned

nobody listed him as a candidate because nobody expected him to be available.

My takeaway from the presser is that Gregg Williams is most certainly not a refined gentleman. He talks a lot, and says what's on his mind within the framework of his beliefs. But his beliefs, and belief in his system seem very strong. I don't know that we'll get many "politically correct" pressers from him, and there may be times when he says things that make us cringe. But as long as he can motivate the players to play tough and aggressively, and make his schemes work effectively against the opponents, he can be Larry the Cable Guy for all I care.

As a side note and NRTU, I could give two squats about his lack of response to questions about his suspension. It's ancient history, he paid his penance, and was reinstated. As far as him "dodging" the question. BFD, he's said all he has to say on the subject, and I'm sure he's talked it to death. He's absolutely correct in his thinking that it no longer matters, and it's on to the business at hand. If Grossi or anyone else wants his thoughts on the suspension, they can look it up in the archive where it's all on record. Anyone needing a comment now is simply trolling for fodder.

Welcome aboard, Gregg!

AND the firing of Horton and the job offer to Williams were released in the same news report, so there really wasn't much time to speculate between the firing/hiring window,

AND DC candidate lists normally take a back seat on the discussion priorities to draft choices and HC candidates this time of year.

Fair warning, I did not read all the 20+ pages prior to this.

This guy was a site to watch on Hard Knocks. His attitude seems to allow for lil to no flexibility. I feel like we didn't utilize the young talent. 3-4 or 4-3,i like this hire. His presser was unique too. I thought he was going to make Grossi drop and do push ups lol!

Yeah. If we're wearing helmets, we're tackling.

Love it. There's NO panzy ass in this guy.

There's CBA restrictions against it, but I love it still.

It was announced that Horton was fired and Williams was going to be hired at literally the exact same time.

That's exactly what I said regarding the announcement of the firing of Horton/pursuing of Williams.

And to you and Swish, I said all that in response to Vers saying everyone knew Williams was available the second Fisher was fired. At that point I think people DID expect him to be available. Or should have assumed, at least.

j/c:

The consistency of flat out crap being posted on this board makes my head hurt.

Thanks for sharing. No one cares.