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Good deal:

Overpay:

Whats your thoughts?


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Would you give him Travis Benjamin money?

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Honestly given his lack of experience at the position, past transgressions but also his familiarity with the system, qb ability and possible potential he is very hard to peg. Personally I'd consider the transition tag. You save a little cash or allow the market to dictate his worth. I'm not sure other teams could value him as highly as well do so perhaps that would be the best way to lock him up. Considering who his agent is

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Travis Benjamin money?

He's not performed at that level.

But, two things:

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There are teams that might take the gamble.

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Quote:
Travis Benjamin money?

He's not performed at that level.


What? Travis never had 1,000 yards in a season while Pryor had 1,000 yards in his first full season.

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He's not performed at that level...

over a number of years.

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Pay him and move on. He's a serious threat and that opens up our passing game.


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You do realize Benji was a one year wonder right? Guy was God awful every year but one.

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I have no clue what I'd pay him. I really think the best course of action would be to franchise him and see if he can replicate his 2016 season. If he does, you pay him. If he doesn't, you can confidently let him leave.

The franchise tag might be a lot, but having a player on a one year deal instead of a long term deal is very valuable.

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We need good plus level players, and Pryor is certainly there already, with the potential to be a great player as he gains experience.

We have tons of cap space, so use it. If he regresses, we have spent money, but can easily cut him and just take the monetary hit.

Someone has said that carrying over more and more cap space every year is useless, and they are right. Spend the money, and maybe even overpay, but keep your own good to great players. This team cannot afford to continue to flush the talent that they have. They cannot continue to create more holes, when they don't need to.


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Originally Posted By: Olskool711
He's not performed at that level...

over a number of years.



What did Benji do before last year?

Pryor has way more potential than Benji had/has.

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Possible transition tag and see the value on the open market? We're in a position again to match any offer we like because of cap space.


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Pay the man and move on. We aren't an organization that can afford to penny pinch (especially when we dont have a need too).


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Originally Posted By: Olskool711
Good deal:

Overpay:

Whats your thoughts?


Honestly, we may have just scratched the surface of what he's capable of. In this day and age in the NFL, I think you overpay him.


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Possible transition tag and see the value on the open market? We're in a position again to match any offer we like because of cap space.


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He is worth maybe

3 years 6 million with a 2.5 million signing bonus

any more then that, let him walk

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Originally Posted By: Olskool711
Would you give him Travis Benjamin money?


Benjamin's contract only averages $6 million a year. If we offer him that as our best he will walk.

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Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown
He is worth maybe

3 years 6 million with a 2.5 million signing bonus

any more then that, let him walk


I think that's less than we gave 35 year old Miles Austin.

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Originally Posted By: Olskool711
Travis Benjamin money?

He's not performed at that level.



lol rofl

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Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown
He is worth maybe

3 years 6 million with a 2.5 million signing bonus

any more then that, let him walk


Careful bud. Watch your step. Your trippin'.

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Good deal: $7 or 8 mill per - 3 or 4 year deal with team option for extension. Large % guaranteed.

Overpay: $10+ mill per -

I have no problem overpaying for Pryor. He did what he did on a team that used multiple QB's including 9 games by a rookie 3rd round QB who was hesitant to chuck it up for TP to go get it. He's not yet proven himself - but he's done a lot to prove that he can be pretty damn special. Coleman and Pryor as #1 and #2 is a pretty nice complimentary pair of WRs


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Pryor was the only guy we had that was a threat.

First off when he first made the transition to receiver I thought there was no way this is going to happen.

Think about all the receivers that have come out of college that had been playing the position probably since junior high. All the practice. All the coaching.

Pryor makes that change as a professional. Do you know how hard that was to able to beat out other NFL receivers?

Then this year he gets 1k and really was a disruptive force. You look at the guys he went against and beat. And he has been doing this for one full year?

You look at his size, speed and competitive drive.

The Browns have tons of cap money and people want to let him walk???

Brilliant. What a concept on how to build a team.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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He is a first year project at Wide receiver

he should be happy we offer him any longterm deal at all

he had 77 receptions for 1077 yards and 4 TD

that not even Pro Bowl Worth...

3 years at 6 mill with a 2.5 Signing bonus is over paying for him

let him hit the market, he will find we give the best deal maybe go up 5%

We hold all the cards here, we gave him a chance...he will be a 3rd WR elsewhere in the league

why would you guys overpay for him...

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A key now adays seem to be Guaranteed money. I can see a 10 mil a year 5 years at least Signing Bonus and some Roster bonuses and a good portion guaranteed!

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Just because he is a threat don't make him worth more then 2 mill per year

Seriously..Pryor is worth no more then 2 mill per year

When he makes a Pro Bowl, catches 10 or more Td, and has atleast 1200 yards receiving, then we will talk more then 2 mill per year...he has proved nothing

he should consider himself lucky we offer him a contract at all

The Browns hold all the cards, i hope their smart enough not to overspend.

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Travis Benjamin money?

He's not performed at that level.


What? Travis never had 1,000 yards in a season while Pryor had 1,000 yards in his first full season.


Benji money? oh hell yea...if that is all it takes. in a heart beat...pryor cracked a 1,000 yards this year with how many QB's????


I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Originally Posted By: Olskool711
Good deal:

Overpay:

Whats your thoughts?


I think $7m/year avg would be a good deal. That's top 25 money for a WR.

I think $11m/year is over paying, that is top 10 money.

I think fair is $8-9m/year avg, though I'd want it to be incentive laden if that was possible. Maybe $7m/year average with the ability to increase it up to $11m/year based on catches, yards, etc...

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Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown
Just because he is a threat don't make him worth more then 2 mill per year

Seriously..Pryor is worth no more then 2 mill per year

When he makes a Pro Bowl, catches 10 or more Td, and has atleast 1200 yards receiving, then we will talk more then 2 mill per year...he has proved nothing

he should consider himself lucky we offer him a contract at all

The Browns hold all the cards, i hope their smart enough not to overspend.


Just for reference, 62 receivers made more than $2m last year. He was 22nd in yards, and 27th in receptions this past year. #62 in yards was 677 yards, #62 with receptions was 58 receptions.

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Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown
Just because he is a threat don't make him worth more then 2 mill per year

Seriously..Pryor is worth no more then 2 mill per year

When he makes a Pro Bowl, catches 10 or more Td, and has atleast 1200 yards receiving, then we will talk more then 2 mill per year...he has proved nothing

he should consider himself lucky we offer him a contract at all

The Browns hold all the cards, i hope their smart enough not to overspend.


That's just ridiculous.


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Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown
Just because he is a threat don't make him worth more then 2 mill per year

Seriously..Pryor is worth no more then 2 mill per year

When he makes a Pro Bowl, catches 10 or more Td, and has atleast 1200 yards receiving, then we will talk more then 2 mill per year...he has proved nothing

he should consider himself lucky we offer him a contract at all

The Browns hold all the cards, i hope their smart enough not to overspend.


Get a GRIP. That's barely League Minimum.

He ain't worth 12M so soon, and I'd NEVER give him 12 until he learns to go UPFIELD after a catch, but he's worth ALOT more than 2.

Note to everyone.

Don't be surprised if we go Garrett and Williams WR Clemson 1\2.

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Sidenote about Pryor and a few other guys.. You don't find many players who are very vocal about putting Cleveland on the map, and really making the team relevant.

Cribbs did. Haden did. Pryor is in that same boat. Our young guys need to see and hear his passion.

Re-sign the guy. We've WASTED money on so many guys in the past who didn't do crap (Dwayne Bowe is the first to come to mind), we really have nothing to lose.


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So Corey Coleman has 33 catches for 433 yards. He was the first receiver taken in the 2016 draft.

Pryor had 77 catches for 1007 yards and 13.1 yards avg.

Those numbers in his first year as a receiver.

And you don't want to sign the guy to a long term contract at fair market value?

The Browns have people that all they do is work on contracts and you know how much he is worth?

Why should you care how much the Browns pay him?

What you might care about is whether he is on the team.

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Yo menZas .... he can't be transition tagged ... franchise tag is the only option ....




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Yo menZas .... he can't be transition tagged ... franchise tag is the only option ....




Why can't Pryor be transition tagged?

We used that tag on Mack, but that contract has expired, and the tag expired with it, right? I thought that was the way it worked. Am I wrong?


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Yo menZas .... he can't be transition tagged ... franchise tag is the only option ....




Why can't Pryor be transition tagged?


He's wrong, that's why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag

It's the best when people are called out for being stupid, but the person doing the calling out is actually wrong.

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kob, if we low ball him and lose him, and next year he continues to progress, you will be on here crabbing about our incompetent front office failing to sign its own. he is our best receiver and we need to keep him.

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Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
kob, if we low ball him and lose him, and next year he continues to progress, you will be on here crabbing about our incompetent front office failing to sign its own. he is our best receiver and we need to keep him.


naw.. will be that he didnt want to play here.....


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Another great thread full of intelligent takes. rolleyes

I don't care for Pryor as a person. I think he is one of those prima donna types, but the guy went from playing QB to a WR who had no clue last year. You following?

This year, he had over 1,000 yards on a team that had terrible QB play and no other difference makers. Still following?

People like my bro Diam, say stuff like he isn't a good route runner. LOL........ya' think? It's his first freaking full year of playing WR. What a shock that is. The truth is that he made huge strides in regards to his route running. Can y'all follow that?

Dude goes over the middle. He competes. He is extremely raw. He has great athletic talent. He is fast and I don't give a rat's butt what Diam says about that because I provided multiple types of evidence to prove that he is. He is at his floor and his floor was pretty damn good. His ceiling is extremely high. You get that, KOB and other haters?

I really don't like the guy, but the Browns should keep him. Can't believe it is even a debate.

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