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Regardless of how the final few weeks unfold, the New England Patriots will have a Jimmy G question to grapple with in the offseason.

Jimmy Garoppolo is set to enter the final year of his rookie contract, making it the ideal time for Bill Belichick to see a return on his second-round investment.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport said Sunday on NFL GameDay Morning that the Patriots will listen to offers for the quarterback, but it's not a given Jimmy G will get shipped out to the top bidder.

"The Patriots are open to trading Jimmy Garoppolo and they are going to listen to all offers, as they have over the last couple years for Garoppolo -- and they have gotten a couple inquiries," Rapoport said. "But from what I am being told there are several complicating factors: First of all, the price tag, expected to be at least a first-round pick -- just based off the quarterback market. Will anyone give them that? Second of all, are the Patriots really comfortable going forward with Jacoby Brissett as their backup quarterback in case Tom Brady gets hurt? That might be the biggest question of all."

The Eagles got first- and fourth-round picks from the Vikings in the Sam Bradford trade, so that could be the starting point if a team is desperate enough -- as Minnesota was last season. Any team that gives up a top pick would need assurances they could get a long-term deal done with Garoppolo.

The price for Garoppolo could change depending on what happens with Kirk Cousins' contract situation in Washington and where Tony Romo ends up. A team like the Cleveland Browns would make a lot of sense for a landing spot -- former Browns GM and long-time Belichick confidant Mike Lombardi has already reported Cleveland would go hard after Garoppolo.

The fact that Garoppolo only has two career starts under his belt could scare some teams from coughing up a first-round pick or sinking huge money into Brady's understudy. While we view Garoppolo as an exponentially better prospect than Brock Osweiler, the Texans' $72 million boondoggle on an unproven player could cause other GMs to overcorrect, and become skittish this year.

It will certainly take more than the third-round compensation pick the Pats could get back down the road -- if they held onto Garoppolo and he left after 2017 -- but don't underestimate Belichick's love of compiling draft picks influencing the situation. If the coach is comfortable with his QB situation behind Brady, then he's not going to hang onto a trade chip just because he can't pilfer a high first-round pick.

Don't expect a resolution to the Garoppolo question soon after the season. Belichick will play poker with the rest of the league, banking on someone paying up if they are left without a quarterback following free agency or the draft.

Ya know, Maybe it's because I don't follow the Pats, or maybe it's because I just don't care, but I've not heard one official word that the Pats are interested in trading Jimmy G.

Not that I expect them to come right out and say that, but there hasn't even been a hint of it except from the press.

This writer and others repeating what Ian Rapoport said. That's pretty much it. Did I miss something from someone else in the organization?

You won't really hear anything till after the superbowl or it could be considered tampering.

There has been talk that the New England Patriots are seeking a first-round pick for backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, but in surveying teams around the league, they don't think Garoppolo is worthy of that price tag. One AFC general manager told WalterFootball.com that he thinks Garoppolo is worthy of a third-round pick, but the Patriots could probably get a second-round selection for him. An NFC general manger said he thinks Garoppolo would go for a second-round pick. Another NFC general manager said they thought a third-round pick would be fair.

All of the general managers cited the trades of Alex Smith, Matt Cassel and Matt Schaub. Each member of that trio went for a second-round pick when dealt. All three of those quarterbacks also had more starts and experience than Garoppolo does. The general managers thought this offseason was the best opportunity for the Patriots to deal Garoppolo if they want to get something quality in return.




One team that has been rumored to be in the market for trading for Garoppolo is the Houston Texans. However, in speaking with Texans sources, that is very unlikely. Houston doesn't sound willing to be interested in dealing the necessary picks for Garoppolo. The Texans are definitely in the market to add talent to their quarterback competition, but they are more likely to select a signal-caller in the early rounds of the 2017 NFL Draft.

According to sources, if the Texans do acquire a veteran, it would probably be a free agent like Jay Cutler or Tony Romo if they were released and willing to take a cheap contract. The Texans are the only playoff team in the market for a starting quarterback, so if either Cutler or Romo wants a shot to win before the end of their careers, Houston could be their best opportunity. The Texans won't be able to offer a big contract for either veteran because of the money taken up by Brock Osweiler. Thus, the most likely move will be taking a quarterback prospect with one of their early picks in the 2017 NFL Draft.

Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors.php#MkcYorZ7Z3BhFOG6.99

Another NFC general manager said they thought a third-round pick would be fair.

I would offer them our top pick in the 3rd rd. even that seems a bit high for someone who hasn't played a lot, but if I was going after him thats what I would offer ...

What about QBs in the draft? They are more unproven than Jimmy G. Do you think the top pick in the 3rd round is a bit high for any QB in the draft?

what else needs to be discussed about this?

I basically just wanted to make sure we didn't have another thread with the stupid Jimmy G nickname as the title.

[color:#33FF33]I would rather spend a 1st on our guy than some other teams QB especially with that little experience ... JMO [/color]

Okay Marc, being the slow feller that I am, could you explain this to me? You would rather spend a 1st round pick on a Rookie QB with no experience than a 1st round pick on another Teams QB that at least has some experience and has been in the NFL for at least 3 years? Do you know how long we might have to wait for a draft day guy to come along? 2-3 yrs.? I don't think the Fans are gonna wait that long. We need someone to step in right away, and no one in this draft class has that rating. IMO

FWIW With all this trade talk for Jimmy G., Jason Cole of The Bleacher Report is saying that the Redskins are considering trading Kirk Cousins to either SF or CLE.

Sounded like it came down to .. once a guy is drafted by another team he should have no value to us.

I can't see Gruden allowing Cousins to leave with the Redskins going 8-7-1 and knocking on the playoffs this year after they made the playoffs with Cousins as their starter in 2015.

Sounds like a rumor started by Dan Snyder..a negotiating ploy.

Thats not what I said That s what you think I said, Its Garappalo I don't have a good feeling about him, now the Cousins thing thats different, he has proven hes worth a high pick in a trade ...

I would rather spend a 1st on our guy than some other teams QB especially with that little experience

Love the Jimmy G nickname.

I've made it pretty clear I'm not interested in one of the top 3 qbs this year. That said anyone else think the FO may consider a rental of Jimmy?

Hear me out. Most everyone is saying to trade for him and lock him up. If we were to trade for him I think it's at least an option to do similar to what we did for Collins. Get Jimmy for 17 for 33 and a conditional pick in 18. Play him out. Franchise if needed but give the 18 rookie qbs a fair assessment compared to Jimmy's season. Franchise if needed. Let him walk if needed for a comp pick.

Now I understand the down side. If he ends up walking you lose draft value but is that loss of value equal to the lesser gamble vs taking a top 3 qbs this year? I'd personally feel most stable doing this. Sure we may lose a little value in one scenario. But what if Jimmy pans out? We win. What if Jimmy doesn't workout but we didn't lock ourselves into a 2107 1st rounder and the 2018 1st rounder does workout? Win. Anyone else think this is logical? It really only becomes a bad scenario if a 2017 1st rounder actually studs out that we pass on while both Jimmy and a 2018 1st rounder bust. Though I guess that would be typical for us lol

I like Darnold better than any of this year's options. I'm no expert, but that's my amateur opinion. This approach allows us to take a shot on Jimmy being the answer, and if he isn't, keeps open the possibility of getting a shot at Darnold (or whoever else emerges) in 2018.

I've made it pretty clear I'm not interested in one of the top 3 qbs this year. That said anyone else think the FO may consider a rental of Jimmy?

Hear me out. Most everyone is saying to trade for him and lock him up. If we were to trade for him I think it's at least an option to do similar to what we did for Collins. Get Jimmy for 17 for 33 and a conditional pick in 18. Play him out. Franchise if needed but give the 18 rookie qbs a fair assessment compared to Jimmy's season. Franchise if needed. Let him walk if needed for a comp pick.

Now I understand the down side. If he ends up walking you lose draft value but is that loss of value equal to the lesser gamble vs taking a top 3 qbs this year? I'd personally feel most stable doing this. Sure we may lose a little value in one scenario. But what if Jimmy pans out? We win. What if Jimmy doesn't workout but we didn't lock ourselves into a 2107 1st rounder and the 2018 1st rounder does workout? Win. Anyone else think this is logical? It really only becomes a bad scenario if a 2017 1st rounder actually studs out that we pass on while both Jimmy and a 2018 1st rounder bust. Though I guess that would be typical for us lol

Ok, who knows how these QB's will turn out in year 1, I mean if we trade for Garappalo will he be worth what we give up for him? You guys don't know and neither do I, same thing if we draft one in rd. 1, will he play right away or not, we don't know, yet you say there is no chance a draft pick can start, why not? Wentz did which most expected but what about Prescott, who here would have said he could play in his 1st or 2nd year? I'm just saying a rookie could be just as capable as Garappalo that is my opinion, if we trade for him or draft a QB I will be rooting for them either way, I would just rather go the rookie rout, thats all, I may be wrong or I could be right who knows ... Thats all I'm saying it is JMO `