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I am just disappointed that Justin Gilbert isn't going to get a ring after all his hard work.

This is such a lame, lazy excuse for journalism and clearly a writer thinking they are being cute by poking fun at the Browns. Looking at both squads and coaches how many other teams have "ex-players" now on Atlanta or NE?

I mean, really?

He isn't wrong though. Just another reason we need to keep Hue here for a long, long time so we can gain some consistency as a team and establish our our system to follow and train people up in building the team for.

The part at the end was a bit of an uneeded jab, but otherwise you're correct.

How was it lazy? And the Browns deserve to be poked fun at. You wanna know why? Because they freaking suck eggs!

You see, the Browns continually fire coaches and/or FO personnel. The new guys gotta bring their guys in and decent players are either not re-signed or are cut.

Meanwhile, stiffs like Jordan Payton make the team while guys like Gabriel contribute for a Super Bowl team.

The Browns are run by idiots. Blaming others for pointing out the truth is not going to fix the issues that the Browns have.

The guy mentioned bad drafting. I can't say we've had bad drafting (maybe just decent), there are five people that got their start on the Browns on those teams.

I'm gonna have to go with the constant regime change being the major factor.

I'm just gonna say it again, we get that elite (really elite) line and we're gonna have some good football to watch.

How was it lazy? Tell me how this is pure journalism? Tell me how many other players/coaches on both the teams came from other teams? This league is hop around/move around/trade around/get hired by this or that team. There is nothing intelligent nor enlightening about this article at all. It exists for one reason only...to get people to click on it and have a chuckle at the Browns.

Dude, we all know the Browns are terrible. You are preaching to the choir. We all have our own thoughts and ideas how it could be better. Some are more optimistic than others but, Mack, Shanny....they chose to leave. Mingo was slated in here ALL. THE. TIME. Lewis was constantly on IR when he was with us and we never knew what we had in him.

Regarding Gabriel...I agree. We all agree, Vers. However, we all knew Hawkins or Gabe would remain but not both. Given Hawkins connection with Hue it was obvious it would be him.

But, tell me again the point of this article? None of the above is added as background info for the non-fan to put in context. Tell me again how a college education in journalism led to the writing of this fine piece of investigative research?

This article exists in a vacuous space of nothingness. Cotton candy to lubricate the senses but, with no brain fodder. TMZ/Yahoo nation at its best!

This is simply my opinion. I think you are overreacting because the writer pointed out a negative about the Browns.

This is also my opinion. The Browns constant changing of coaches and FO personnel has led to the departure of many players who do not "fit" the new guy's scheme or because they were not "picked" by the current regime, as was the case w/guys like Taylor Gabriel who was cut while a chump like Jordan Payton was retained. Btw--------Joe Thomas agrees w/this.

One more opinion. Brown's fans defending the team's constant repeating of making the same stupid mistakes of firing coaches and FO personnel and blaming those who report that fact are only enabling the continued incompetence of this organization by transferring blame to other parties.

I don't think I am overreacting. I am also not defending the team's mistakes of constantly hiring and firing. I, like you, believe that we should try to be stable and let Hue and his staff have at the very least 3 years to prove we are moving in the right direction. If we are talking about Ray vs Gregg....that wasn't Jimmy's firing. That was all Hue. If the HC felt he needed to make a change we need to respect that. At least it comes from the HC rather than Haslam.

However, with all due respect Vers, this article has nothing to do with that firing/hiring. It exists to say..."hey, look there are half a dozen ex-Browns, some of who are doing well on their new team, and a coach all in the Super Bowl. Those terrible Browns for cutting/trading and letting them walk away".

Again, how many of those 106 players and various coaches have bounced around from other teams? I don't know. But, my guess is between them there will be other teams in the league who cut/fired/let walk away some of those players too.

That is simply my point. The article is lame. It doesn't give any background info. We all know it because we are Browns fans. The casual fan will simply read it and smirk at the Browns, fire off a rude comment at their expense and then move on and probably forget what they read within seconds of moving on to their next click bait article.

My beef isn't with you dude...it's with lazy journalism. I know, on the whole, you agree. But, at the moment your beef is the rotating circus in Berea, which is taking priority. Which, is fine....but, I think it is a different agenda from what initially irritated me about this article.

I'm not one who usually knocks the younger generation. Let's face it, many of the same things said about todays generation have been said about every generation since I can remember, including mine. But one thing I believe a lot of them, as well as others seem to miss out on is this..... Respect is earned, not given.

People don't just hand out respect because you were born. People don't just hand out respect because something exists. When you earn respect, you receive it. When you show nothing but ineptitude, you receive ridicule. You get exactly what you've earned.

Maybe it's time people hold those who put us in this predicament accountable rather than the people who spell it out accurately.

That is the funniest thing I have read in a while.

Now that is funny. Poster child for bad drafting and lame attitude or ability. Harsh, but I grinned out loud.

You what to know why this article isn't about all the other teams players playing in the Super Bowl? It's because the Browns have been the laughing stock of the NFL for a VERY long time.

You know how to prevent articles like this? CONSISTENTLY WIN.

How do we know this is the only article like this?

Is it possible that other teams used to have players that are now on the Falcons or the Patriots?

well let's not talk about Chris Long or Sanu...and wasn't Danny Amendola a Ram? that is just off the top of my head...I am sure there are one or two more. but yup let's just point out ex Browns players..smh

If you are looking for Walter Cronkite or Edward R. Murrow caliber work, I suggest you not start with ESPN Blog.


I can't find the article but the Browns have more drafted players in the Super Bowl this year than any other team (obviously excluding the Pats and Falcons).. And that doesn't include the fact that Belichick used to be our coach and we traded out of the spot that allowed the Falcons to draft Julio Jones.


It is enlightening because as others post about our "talentless" roster.. clearly a lot of these guys can play and contribute on winning teams, they just aren't the super studs that our fan base and FO require them to be in order to keep them.

And yes, constant turnover in the coaches and the FO is THE single biggest reason for it.


Again, it's a blog... if you want to do the research, write it in book form and spell out the whole sordid story about how the Browns were right (or had no choice) in letting all of these players walk or get cut or whatever the case may be. You cite the ones that wanted to leave.. yea, they wanted to leave because we suck, there are only so many Joe Thomas's in the world... maybe if we kept a coach for a few years and kept the other talent we have, we wouldn't suck, then players wouldn't look for the first chance to leave.. Nobody is anxious to leave a 15 win team, unless it took the team 4 years to win those 15 games..

A serious question: Which team had more guys they got rid of that are playing in the Super Bowl than the Browns? Was it the Rams? The Bengals? I noticed you mentioned both. Is that your point............or are you just making things up again?

read the post again...what am I making up? do tell. my point is, teams let players go for whatever reason. Why are we only looking at Browns players...other teams let players go and not a peep about that.

I don't think it's fair to only point out ex-Browns players...FA takes players away and gives teams players...others are cut, and some are traded for.

lol love the rib shot at the end of your post.

Maybe it is because the Browns were 1 and 15 this past year and they have more ex-players in the Super Bowl than any other team? LOL

I am not amused by this.

I refuse to believe that.

Because that would insinuate that we draft well.

Not really.. we do draft guys that can play and contribute in this league and then complain about them because they aren't stars. What we have consistently failed to do is draft guys that actually become stars.

I do think that as far as centers go, Alex Mack would be considered a star.

I don't think we have drafted well, but I think the real issue is that because the Browns are always changing FO personnel and making changes to the coaching staff, a lot of mid-level players that were on the roster are let go in favor of the new regime's "guys."

Cutting Taylor Gabriel and keeping Jordan Payton is a perfect example of that.

Recently, YTown made an epic post about that topic. Most ignored it because they don't want to hear that constantly making changes is one of the biggest--if not thee biggest---reasons the Browns continually suck ass.

Oh I agree with that... He's not in the game but Mitchell Schwartz is on the verge of being considered a "star" at his position as well... and there were people on here complaining about both of them not being good enough... more on Schwartz than Mack...

I agree with every word of that.. I guess my point was, we get our share of adequate players out of the middle and bottom of the draft, we have failed far too often in the first couple rounds.. and perhaps more importantly, we have failed at the most important positions that impact a game...

But you will get zero argument from me that the constant turnover is the single biggest reason for our inability to keep and develop the talent we did get.

I think everybody knows that turnover is the problem.

I personally just assume with turnover, that players will also get turned over.

It happens everywhere, not just us.

DC (and a lesser extent, Vers),

I agree that the constant turnover means you show talented guys the door.

I just think that our poor drafting has been MORE influential in our being in the state we are today. Our poor drafting is the #1 reason why our talent is so low, while turnover is #2 or #3.

Well that's obvious.

If you draft well, people don't get fired as often, less turnover, more of keeping the lower level guys.

Just think how long Pat Shurmur would of been here had we been able to draft Andrew Luck...

So with our luck... Who will be the Brown to win the super bowl MVP? I'm gonna say Taylor Gabriel.

I was one who didn't think Shwartz was that good when he was here. Definitely had room for improvement when he left too. But he must not have been that bad cause someone wanted him in free agency.

It will certainly help that the Pats have to focus on Julio Jones, so Gabriel will be getting more opportunities to contribute.

not a Brown...but I'm rolling with Matt Ryan

jabal sheard or taylor gabriel

Alex Mack is going to be playing with a broken leg.