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hey guys i wanted to wait to ask this question, i dunno if it's been discussed already.
so we have collins now.
So we have our starting MLB and OLB.
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are we looking at starting Bryant beside shelton? i know meder is a rotational guy, but maybe he can start? or are you guys thinking we should try and find a DT starter in FA?
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i thought Bryant was all but gone with us. I want Hankins if we get a FA DL
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If Bryant is gone, which he probably is, then we need another guy to play up the middle.
I'd be interested in seeing how Ogbah does inside on pass rushing downs with Orchard or Nassib on the edge.
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If Bryant is gone, which he probably is, then we need another guy to play up the middle.
I'd be interested in seeing how Ogbah does inside on pass rushing downs with Orchard or Nassib on the edge. Possibly so, but Ogbah seemed to be making progress once we placed his hand on the ground at end. Orchard?? No way to know. Small sample. Nassib, still a small sample, but he looks to simply be a motor, bull rusher, who can't bull rush all that well. I am not writing him off at this point by any means, but I don't have high hopes at this point. Good bull rushers meet the name, they are big, strong and have a never quit attitude. So far, Nassib seems to only have the never quit attitude, but that attribute still gives me some hope we can find the strong part.
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Why do you guys think Bryant is gone? This FO was the one that renegotiated his contract and that was post injury. His cap hit is very managebale and it's an injury that isn't really considered detrimental to his future. Barring unforseen issues or a new rook he's likely to be our 3T
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Why do you guys think Bryant is gone? This FO was the one that renegotiated his contract and that was post injury. His cap hit is very managebale and it's an injury that isn't really considered detrimental to his future. Barring unforseen issues or a new rook he's likely to be our 3T He's old(er) and the contract was renegotiated because Bryant got hurt, not because there was some sort of good faith between him and the front office. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be very happy if my salary was cut for lifting weights on my own time. Desmond Bryant did go to Harvard, so that probably means he will get a huge extension.
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Why do you guys think Bryant is gone? This FO was the one that renegotiated his contract and that was post injury. His cap hit is very managebale and it's an injury that isn't really considered detrimental to his future. Barring unforseen issues or a new rook he's likely to be our 3T He's old(er) and the contract was renegotiated because Bryant got hurt, not because there was some sort of good faith between him and the front office. I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be very happy if my salary was cut for lifting weights on my own time. Desmond Bryant did go to Harvard, so that probably means he will get a huge extension. You can assume that it was purely because of injury but you can't really say that as fact. I do agree just saying. But if they didn't want him back they would've cut him. His penalty was less than his negotiated new salary. Also the Harvard remark was kind of pointless. It puts you in a bad light I'm not sure why you'd bother.
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Also the Harvard remark was kind of pointless. It puts you in a bad light I'm not sure why you'd bother. Joking is no longer allowed?
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Does anyone know of the hit we take if we release McCown? ...I know we still have alot of cap...even after retaining our bigger FAs...But I wonder if McCown, Desmond Bryant, and Hawk may get the axe...McCown has Jay Cutler syndrome and is way too old, Des Bryant is a good reserve, however rarely healthy...Hawk is a solid #4, but never lives up to his contract.
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If Bryant is gone, which he probably is, then we need another guy to play up the middle. The Browns love creating holes so they can replace them w/inferior players. You don't regress every year by doing otherwise.
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I hope Bryant sticks around.
Would he play more inside, or on the edge? I always thought he was more of a 4-3 end?
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Also the Harvard remark was kind of pointless. It puts you in a bad light I'm not sure why you'd bother. Joking is no longer allowed? I'm so used to agendas back and forth around here I took it as a dig and I rather enjoy your posts so it was unfortunate to see a sideways remark. My bad
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Does anyone know of the hit we take if we release McCown? ...I know we still have alot of cap...even after retaining our bigger FAs...But I wonder if McCown, Desmond Bryant, and Hawk may get the axe...McCown has Jay Cutler syndrome and is way too old, Des Bryant is a good reserve, however rarely healthy...Hawk is a solid #4, but never lives up to his contract. Mccown saves us 4.3 mil with a 600k penalty. Desmond would save us 3 mil but 1 mil penalty. Hawkins saves 1.8mil with 0 penalty. Haden, tramon and rg3 would save us over 20 mil albeit with a penalty of 8 mil.
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I hope Bryant sticks around.
Would he play more inside, or on the edge? I always thought he was more of a 4-3 end? He would likely be 100% inside as a 3T. He's 6'6 300. He was a 3T for Oakland before us also.
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These are the options in my head.. of course pending Bryant is not an option, for whatever reason that may be.
Meder, Cooper, Wright... I think Cooper actually does better in a 4-3 baseline.
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Cooper sucks. Bryant is very good.
This should not be a debate.
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Cooper sucks. Bryant is very good.
This should not be a debate. Cooper may surprise in a 3T. One gap responsibilities may be just what the doctor ordered in his case. That being said, we already know Bryant can do the job.
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Cooper sucks. Bryant is very good.
This should not be a debate. Cooper may surprise in a 3T. One gap responsibilities may be just what the doctor ordered in his case. That being said, we already know Bryant can do the job. He'll need to surprise just to keep his job. Lots of bodies at DT now that 3 positions became 2.
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hey guys i wanted to wait to ask this question, i dunno if it's been discussed already.
so we have collins now.
So we have our starting MLB and OLB.
our line as of now if we get Garrett is:
Garrett, Shelton, ?, Ogbah.
are we looking at starting Bryant beside shelton? i know meder is a rotational guy, but maybe he can start? or are you guys thinking we should try and find a DT starter in FA? I want Johnathan Hankins, but in your scenario yes. We'd start Desmond Bryant.
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Does anyone know of the hit we take if we release McCown? ...I know we still have alot of cap...even after retaining our bigger FAs...But I wonder if McCown, Desmond Bryant, and Hawk may get the axe...McCown has Jay Cutler syndrome and is way too old, Des Bryant is a good reserve, however rarely healthy...Hawk is a solid #4, but never lives up to his contract. Use this website for cap space questions: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/
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If the Rams are switching to a 3-4, I'd go after all of their defensive free agents who won't fit that defense / won't be resigned: Dominique Easley, Trumaine Johnson, and TJ McDonald
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Are you implying that there are 3-4 and 4-3 corners and safeties?
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It depends on what kind of 3-4 scheme. Is it a Pittsburgh zone blitz heavy scheme? That heavily impacts the safeties. Does the defense require a safety to play more like a LB?
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Sorry candy, I am not buying that one.
And this love affair w/TJ McDonald has me baffled. I have addressed his weaknesses several times and people just ignore them. What about his game, other than being an occasional big-hitter--do you like?
He can't cover anyone one-on-one. He has only straight line speed. His hips are horrible. His lateral movement is horrible. He misses a ton of tackles in the open field because he only goes in a straight line and any little shimmy will leave him tackling air.
I think people have watched a highlight film or two where he made a big hit and think that means he is good. He isn't good.
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What does Williams think about Bryant. I think Bryant should stay. He has helped us when healthy. He gets better in a real defense that attacks more. If Williams hopes to gear things to players' skill sets, then I think he has upside if we keep him off the pine injury free. I do not want to judge much with the joker defense we fielded last season.
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hey guys i wanted to wait to ask this question, i dunno if it's been discussed already.
so we have collins now.
So we have our starting MLB and OLB.
our line as of now if we get Garrett is:
Garrett, Shelton, ?, Ogbah.
are we looking at starting Bryant beside shelton? i know meder is a rotational guy, but maybe he can start? or are you guys thinking we should try and find a DT starter in FA? Sorry if I somehow missed this, but I didn't see it anywhere. Who is our staring MLB in a 4-3 defensive change? Right now I see Demario Davis most likely slated there, and I just don't see him being effective in that role. Am I missing something?
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hey guys i wanted to wait to ask this question, i dunno if it's been discussed already.
so we have collins now.
So we have our starting MLB and OLB.
our line as of now if we get Garrett is:
Garrett, Shelton, ?, Ogbah.
are we looking at starting Bryant beside shelton? i know meder is a rotational guy, but maybe he can start? or are you guys thinking we should try and find a DT starter in FA? Sorry if I somehow missed this, but I didn't see it anywhere. Who is our staring MLB in a 4-3 defensive change? Right now I see Demario Davis most likely slated there, and I just don't see him being effective in that role. Am I missing something? I think Schobert comes into the mix. I personally feel he suits a 4-3 better but time will tell. Adding a speedy LB should be somewhere in our list of priorities - if we draft Peppers or even someone like Josh Harvey-Clemmons later, they could play that S/LB hybrid that has been discussed as being a facet in Williams' scheme. That means you have SS/LB hybrid / Collins / Kirksey.
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE.
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Not saying Schobert can't fill that need, but he doesn't have any experience doing it. He's always played an edge, including last year. Hard to pin an invaluable position in the 4-3 on a guy who has never played inside. I'm hoping they upgrade more than that at the position myself.
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE. I'm not talking about pro bowlers, I am talking about one of the most important positions in a 4-3...seems everyone is content on just sticking a body in there as long as he is about the size needed. Just curious why I am the only one a little worried about it, that's all.
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All of this will come in to focus come March 1st when we actually know who is a free agent. Right now it is hard to speculate on who will be there and who won't.
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE. I'm not talking about pro bowlers, I am talking about one of the most important positions in a 4-3...seems everyone is content on just sticking a body in there as long as he is about the size needed. Just curious why I am the only one a little worried about it, that's all. Irish it's because we will only field 3 lbs at most 30% of the time. Kirksey will be our defecto Mike even if he plays will in a base set (still undetermined). He is the brain of the LBers. Between Alexander, Schobert and Davis we will be just fine for those few plays we need one. Collins can play all 3 spots and kirk can play will and mike. There's really no need for a large investment in a new lber who won't play much. An extra safety or new cb are much more important.
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Said it before / say it again , I want a Jack Lambert .. And your old enough to remember .. lol Good luck with that
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE.
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE. I'm not talking about pro bowlers, I am talking about one of the most important positions in a 4-3...seems everyone is content on just sticking a body in there as long as he is about the size needed. Just curious why I am the only one a little worried about it, that's all. Irish it's because we will only field 3 lbs at most 30% of the time. Kirksey will be our defecto Mike even if he plays will in a base set (still undetermined). He is the brain of the LBers. Between Alexander, Schobert and Davis we will be just fine for those few plays we need one. Collins can play all 3 spots and kirk can play will and mike. There's really no need for a large investment in a new lber who won't play much. An extra safety or new cb are much more important. Don't get me wrong, I think FS is the most important position needed this off season. But what Greg Williams does with his offenses, I think the MLB is also an important need, I slotted Kirksey at Will and Collins at Sam...If one of them are to play Mike, I don't see who will be playing Will or Sam respectively... You say they will only be playing 3 LBers 30% of the time, but right now, when they go into that 4-3 set...ALL of our OLBers besides Collins will be moving into the DE position. I just don't see any other ILBs from last years team that correlate to the traits needed to play in the 4-3, they are all backup Will LBers at best. I'm sure Williams will adapt to whatever he has, but I agree a FS is paramount no matter what scheme we are in. I'm not as worried about CB as many are out there. Jamar Taylor was a good acquisition last year, I think with a good to great FS, all our CBs will look better.
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Cooper sucks. Bryant is very good.
This should not be a debate. Bryant is better but Cooper does not outright suck.
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You don't need pro bowlers at every spot. Davis is fine as a MIKE. I'm not talking about pro bowlers, I am talking about one of the most important positions in a 4-3...seems everyone is content on just sticking a body in there as long as he is about the size needed. Just curious why I am the only one a little worried about it, that's all. Irish it's because we will only field 3 lbs at most 30% of the time. Kirksey will be our defecto Mike even if he plays will in a base set (still undetermined). He is the brain of the LBers. Between Alexander, Schobert and Davis we will be just fine for those few plays we need one. Collins can play all 3 spots and kirk can play will and mike. There's really no need for a large investment in a new lber who won't play much. An extra safety or new cb are much more important. Don't get me wrong, I think FS is the most important position needed this off season. But what Greg Williams does with his offenses, I think the MLB is also an important need, I slotted Kirksey at Will and Collins at Sam...If one of them are to play Mike, I don't see who will be playing Will or Sam respectively... You say they will only be playing 3 LBers 30% of the time, but right now, when they go into that 4-3 set...ALL of our OLBers besides Collins will be moving into the DE position. I just don't see any other ILBs from last years team that correlate to the traits needed to play in the 4-3, they are all backup Will LBers at best. I'm sure Williams will adapt to whatever he has, but I agree a FS is paramount no matter what scheme we are in. I'm not as worried about CB as many are out there. Jamar Taylor was a good acquisition last year, I think with a good to great FS, all our CBs will look better. I apologize in advance because this will sound condescending but you don't understand the way an NFL defense works.
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Cooper sucks. Bryant is very good.
This should not be a debate. Bryant is better but Cooper does not outright suck. We went with undrafted FA OLBs and moved backup NTs and OLBs to 5T just so cooper would be on the bench. Dude he sucks. That said he fits 3T much better and I hope the position change and a good off season will allow him to help a roster spot
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