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Whats the old saying, "the team that blocks the best and tackles the best,usually wins..."
With that said, on the Browns starting defense, who are the best tacklers 1 to 11,and 1 being the best......
I don't have a list,cause this just flew off the top of my head....but I'm gonna start with #1.....Sean Jones.....future All-Pro.
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Best: Sean Jones (i can't stop thinking about how he took out Robert Gallery)
Worst: Not really sure.. probably one of the corners.. Holly maybe? i dont know.. im just talking..
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I honestly don't know, but I'll put Big Ted up near the top as well as DQ. Bodden & Holly aren't afraid to get their noses broke either 
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Not gonna list every player on the defense.. My Top 3 : 1 - Sean Jones 2 - Andra Davis (the numbers don't lie)  3 - Kamerion Wimbley
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1. Andra Davis
2. D'Qwell Jackson
3. Sean Jones
4. Orpheus Roye
5. Robaire Smith
6. Willie McGinest
7. Kamerion Wimbley
8. Brodney Pool
9. Leigh Bodden
10. Ted Washington
11. Daven Holly
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Davis isnt nearly as good a tackler the numbers make him out to be. He was 8 yards downfield on alot of em. JMHO though
My list:
1. Jones
2. McGinest
3. jackson
4. Davis
5. Wimbley
6. Washington
7. Roye
8. Pool
9. Bodden
Our starting CB opposite bodden and smith are unknowns to me.
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Ted washington at the bottom, not hardly, he's top 5 easy, andra davis to me is behind jones and jackson, i've seen him miss alot at the POC, then tackle them 5 yards downfield. Wimbley really isn't that good at tackling, being good at sacks he def is. But tackling still needs some work.but i think Jones is the best tackler on the team, Bodden is probably one of our best open field tacklers. Baxter was a pretty damn good tackler also
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I'd have ot say the best is either Wimbley or Bodden, the worst.... Even though he's not ont he team anymore, Ralph(little man)Brown.
Holly used to be pretty bad, but I think he's really starting to improve. When he was getting ready to make a tackle, I used to hold my breath,lol. But now, he's getting a little better.
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1. Andra Davis
2. D'Qwell Jackson
3. Sean Jones
4. Orpheus Roye
5. Robaire Smith
6. Willie McGinest
7. Kamerion Wimbley
8. Brodney Pool
9. Leigh Bodden
10. Ted Washington
11. Daven Holly
This looks more like a list of the defender with the most tackles, not necessarily the best tacklers.
If I understand it right, you are somehow affiliated with football in some capacity so I'm sure you put some thought into it.
From my untrained eye, Wimbley would be the highest rated linebacker with DQ second.
I remember reading on here somewhere from someone that studies the game tape that McGinest was actually pretty good against the run last year. I don't recall seeing much of that, but I can't say I was looking for it either. I actually wasn't impressed with McGinest last year, but it is possible I just didn't notice his contribution.
I just know that when Wimbley wrapped you up, you were toast.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Bodden is a guaranteed tackle, I don't remember him missing a tackle.
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1. Andra Davis
2. D'Qwell Jackson
3. Sean Jones
4. Orpheus Roye
5. Robaire Smith
6. Willie McGinest
7. Kamerion Wimbley
8. Brodney Pool
9. Leigh Bodden
10. Ted Washington
11. Daven Holly
1. Sean Jones
2. D'Qwell Jackson
3. Andra Davis
4. Orpheus Roye
5. Leigh Bodden
6. Robaire Smith
7. Willie McGinest
8. Kamerion Wimbley
9. Ted Washington
10. Daven Holly
11. Brodney Pool
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1. Sean Jones
2. Wimbley
3. Jackson
4. McGinnest
5. Davis
6. Roye
7. Washington
8. Pool
9. Bodden
10. Smith (hope he will be better just can't say how good he will be)
11. Wright
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Heh that's what I was thinking.
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Davis isnt nearly as good a tackler the numbers make him out to be. He was 8 yards downfield on alot of em.
I agree. While Davis has a lot of tackles, I still have a real problem with the fact that he is often times grossly out of position. Did you ever notice how when teams run a counter play against us, it is almost always successful?
Davis gets lost very quickly and doesn't plug the holes like I wish he would. Hopefully he gets better at it, but I haven't seen much in the past 2 years to make me really optimistic. He over-pursues way too much and that leaves open huge holes.
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If I had to pick one player on this team to make a sure tackle...it's Bodden. Like someone said earlier, I don't remember him missing a tackle. An open field tackle is a lot harder to make than catching someone at the line or behind it. Being on an island, 1 on 1 with a receiver is a scary place to be.....especially if you're the receiver and staring at Bodden.
The worst tackler that I've seen, speaking strictly from a technique standpoint...Andra Davis. He tackles way too high. I can count numerous times seeing him slide down a running back and catching the heels of the backs feet in his face mask as he kissed the dirt.
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1. Andra Davis (tied with Russell. I know he no longer plays for us but after that Chad Johnson hit I felt the need to name him.)
2. Leon Williams (Iwas more impressed with him than DQ)
3. Roye
4. Jones
5. Bodden
6. Willie
7. Wimbley
8. Washington
9. Pool
10. Holly
11. Smith b/c I havent seen him play yet.
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Wow, I never would have guessed that you'd put Andra Davis first! 
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I knew my list would cause some intrigue...So I'll explain.
Davis is the best pure tackler in terms of form, technique, etc. And I'm not getting another one of the "he only makes tackles downfield" discussion, because I disagree with that. To each their own.
As for Ted Washington, the guy is a pathetic tackler. He is a space eater only, and not a threat to make a tackle anywhere else but right in front of him. He doesn't shed blockers anymore (nor does he really need to, he's just an occupier), and he has no pursuit. Guys like him are proof positive of the notion that some people have that the bigger they are, the better tackler they are.
Wimbley is not bad, but he needs to work on his technique and recognition a bit.
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Davis is the best pure tackler in terms of form, technique, etc.
I definitely won't argue about the whole "he's out of position" story. I disagree with you on his technique though. He comes in too high. He's very susceptible to stiff arms. Also, this is just my belief, but I think he doesn't have a lot of strength in his arms and chest. I don't like his leverage. His tackles get ran through more than anybody I've seen on this team.
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I knew my list would cause some intrigue...So I'll explain.
Davis is the best pure tackler in terms of form, technique, etc. And I'm not getting another one of the "he only makes tackles downfield" discussion, because I disagree with that. To each their own.
As for Ted Washington, the guy is a pathetic tackler. He is a space eater only, and not a threat to make a tackle anywhere else but right in front of him. He doesn't shed blockers anymore (nor does he really need to, he's just an occupier), and he has no pursuit. Guys like him are proof positive of the notion that some people have that the bigger they are, the better tackler they are.
Wimbley is not bad, but he needs to work on his technique and recognition a bit.
Davis has terrible technique, as far as TW goes, yeah he's a NT, he's not supposed to do anything really other than tie up 2 blockers. But at the same token, as far as being a good tackler, i've never seen anyone break a TW tackle when he has a hold on them. having alot of tackles and being a good tackler are 2 different things. Davis has alot of tackles, but he also has the most opportunities, but he has poor technique and isn't very strong. TW don't get many opportunities, but he's a solid tackler. IMO the best 3 tacklers on the team are Jones, DQ and bodden in that order
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I want to point out I have never made any mention of how many tackles Davis gets. You guys have...
Again, I disagree heartily with people who slam on Andra Davis. The guy is the best fundamental LB on the team. I'm not sure where people are coming up with some of these accusations, but to say he has no technique, again I have to disagree. I'm not going to get all high and mighty about it, but I feel the harsh-ness towards Dra is outrageous on this board.
As for Washington, I would hope that a man who is nearly 400 lbs can keep a person half of his size wrapped up. It still doesn't change the fact that's not a good tackler, is not a threat in pursuit, and really is just a space eater. I think his impact in the ground game is severely overstated, and really is just a washed up behemoth at this point.
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i know most will find it hard to believe but i would have to say Wimbley is the worst on the team and Bodden is by far the best. Wimbley made a lot of progress but he can be a 16 sack guy once he learns to finish and also develops those strong hands.
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I want to point out I have never made any mention of how many tackles Davis gets. You guys have...
Again, I disagree heartily with people who slam on Andra Davis. The guy is the best fundamental LB on the team. I'm not sure where people are coming up with some of these accusations, but to say he has no technique, again I have to disagree. I'm not going to get all high and mighty about it, but I feel the harsh-ness towards Dra is outrageous on this board.
As for Washington, I would hope that a man who is nearly 400 lbs can keep a person half of his size wrapped up. It still doesn't change the fact that's not a good tackler, is not a threat in pursuit, and really is just a space eater. I think his impact in the ground game is severely overstated, and really is just a washed up behemoth at this point.
anyone who knows football technique, esp LB will attest that AD is not even close to the best LB on this team..I put DQ ahead of him and in little playing time Leon williams played better, but aggree to disagree, davis isn't a great technician, just abundant opportunities, but it cracks me up that you try to diss TW, the guy has been to 4 probowls, last year with limited playing time, he had 52 tackles, his most since 2000, and 43 solo, most since 1997. seems to me he's pretty damn consistent and still playing at a pretty good level. I am sure others can attest too, when you get a guy wrapped up, and he goes down, thats a good tackle and good technique regardless of the size difference. If you watch TW, as big as he is, still gets low and tackles. I don't think i've ever seen davis tackle low, which is why i say his technique sucks and gets owned with a stiff arm or misdirection all the time.
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i know most will find it hard to believe but i would have to say Wimbley is the worst on the team and Bodden is by far the best. Wimbley made a lot of progress but he can be a 16 sack guy once he learns to finish and also develops those strong hands.
yeah i said in an earlier post, wimbley isn't a very good tackler, great at getting to the QB and pretty decent once he gets there, but he left alot of sacks on the table last year. I can't wait to see how he matures this year..he's going to be an animal. And i aggree..i think bodden is the best open field tackler on the team with baxter out
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You have Bodden 9th behind Pool who has hardly done anything opposed to Bodden who is regarded as one of the Browns best tacklers...
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I'm not overly impressed with Bodden as a tackler. He's not bad for a CB, but I don't like that he just kinda dives around, hopes to hit the guy and knock him off.
I'm still working on my footage of the Browns from last year though...with his bum ankles, it could have effected his ability to tackle, and I don't have any 2005 stuff. If we have any Torrenters who can help, I'd appreciate!
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You have Bodden 9th behind Pool who has hardly done anything opposed to Bodden who is regarded as one of the Browns best tacklers...
By whom? The amount of tackles doesn't speak to tackling ability.
I don't know who the better tacklers are. I would assume DQ would be one of them based on his size at the position he plays. He does not possess size to help him so I imagine he would fall back on technique.
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Wow, I never would have guessed that you'd put Andra Davis first!
I love Andra Davis. I think he has been the best most consisntent player on our team other than roye, dawson, or Tucker over the past 3-4 seasons. I still think he is highly underrated MLB and one of the best in his position in the league. This board is hating on him now when two seasons ago every one was saying he was snubbed by the pro bowl.
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If there is a stat for missed tackles I would guarantee you that Bodden is not high on that list, I always hear about how great of a tackler he is and never see him miss them... I know he doesn't destroy anyone or anything like that, but he gets the job done, I don't remember ever seeing him miss a tackle.
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If there is a stat for missed tackles I would guarantee you that Bodden is not high on that list, I always hear about how great of a tackler he is and never see him miss them... I know he doesn't destroy anyone or anything like that, but he gets the job done, I don't remember ever seeing him miss a tackle.
It's possible. I admit, I'm open to opinion on this. I just didn't like what I saw in him in 2006, despite that he was hurt.
My favorite open field tackler in "new" Browns history is Daylon McCutcheon. Never missed, great form, and hit with power.
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Come on, man............you should know this question is too hard to handle. And I don't even know how relevant it is. I mean....it is relevant, but take a guy like Pool; he may be able to tackle but he is hardly ever around the football. So, what good is he?
I can't rank them, but I think Sean Jones, A. Davis, Roye, and DQ are the guys who get the job done. By that......I mean........they are around the ball and make their share of tackles.
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My favorite open field tackler in "new" Browns history is Daylon McCutcheon. Never missed, great form, and hit with power.
Boddens technique reminds a lot of Daylon.
Wrap 'em up and slide down to the ankles. As small as he is, no one ever dragged McCutcheon for yards.
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No one Mentions Simon Fraser? Maybe my memory is bad but i think it was him making some pretty picture perfect tackles last season or maybe im just thinking of when he was a buckeye still.
And i also agree with the Davis fans here, he deserves more credit than what he gets. He might not be a Wimbley or Jones but he has form / technique and some power.
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My only memory of Simon Fraser was taking 7 points off the board by knocking Roethlisberger over countless times as I was watching Holly make a circus play and try to score 
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My only memory of Simon Fraser was taking 7 points off the board by knocking Roethlisberger over countless times as I was watching Holly make a circus play and try to score
You have to admit, QBs shouldnt recieve special treatment, they are like any other football player on the field. When the ball is intercepted the QB becomes a DEFENDER. Fraser had every right to knock Ben down...Im gonna have to tell that to Simon next time i see him lol.
Only reason i mentioned Frasers name as being a good tackler becuase i see him all the time where i work so i have became a Fraser pimp lol.
He seems pretty big in person too. 
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