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Was going to ask if anyone watched the shrine game? Anyone leap out? I watched some of it. The QBs leapt out for the wrong reasons. None looked very good. DeAngelo Brown from Louisville looked interesting. Looked like he could be a good pairing inside with Shelton. He's somewhat undersized, but he looked stout and was disruptive. I'll have to dig into some regular game tape, though. I think the first day of practice is hardly the time to be looking for positives and negatives. Maybe a little later in the week once the guys know each other a bit and have some idea of what the coaches want. D Brown was in the Shrine Game.. not the senior bowl.
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Going into Senior Bowl week these are the prospects that I have my eye on North team:
Sefo Liufau, Colorado
Kyle Fuller (C), Baylor
Tyler Orlosky (C), West Virginia
Nate Gerry (S), Nebraska
John Johnson (S), Boston College
^^I really like this kid from the minimal tape out out there, i want to see how he matches up side by side with the other top seniors
Desmond King (CB), Iowa
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Don't forget Julien Davenport. He's a raw player for sure, but he probably has the elite athleticism to be a left tackle at the next level.
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South players that i have my eye on going in:
Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee
Antonio Pipkin, Tiffin
Davis Webb, Cal
O.J. Howard (TE), Alabama
Artavis Scott, Clemson
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina
Offensive linemen
Isaac Asiata (OG), Utah
Forrest Lamp (OT), Western Kentucky
Ethan Pocic (C), LSU
Jon Toth (C), Kentucky
Defensive linemen
Montravius Adams (DT), Auburn
Daeshon Hall (DE), Texas A&M
Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE), Villanova
Dalvin Tomlinson (DT), Alabama
Carlos Watkins (DT), Clemson
Linebackers
Ryan Anderson (OLB), Alabama
Alex Anzalone (ILB), Florida
Defensive backs
Corn Elder (CB), Miami
^^I haven't watched him play but I love his name
Justin Evans (S), Texas A&M
Johnathan Ford (S), Auburn
Marquez White (CB), Florida State
Tre'Davious White (CB), LSU
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Just looking at the roster for the North and their Defense looks pretty good.
Heck the North roster as whole looks better then South roster to me.
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Don't forget Julien Davenport. He's a raw player for sure, but he probably has the elite athleticism to be a left tackle at the next level. He's a guy who I noticed when first reading around and watching snippets of film. From walterfootball:
Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell
Height: 6-7. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2017): 3-4.
1/7/17: At the start of the 2016 season, there was a real buzz in the scouting community about Davenport. Area scouts and national scouts from every team visited Bucknell to see him. Sources say they believe that Davenport is likely to go on the second day of the 2017 NFL Draft. Some team sources really like him and feel he has a starting left tackle skill set. They love his athleticism, length and upside. He needs some work developing his body, but they believe he could be a starting left tackle in the NFL.
Other team sources don't like Davenport and have him on Day 3. They point to some poor tape from his senior year with weak competition getting the best of him. The scouts who don't like Davenport say he has terrible technique and is exceedingly raw. There were snaps where Davenport looked awful. He would play high, get pushed around, get bull rushed, and struggle with redirecting. Thus, Davaneport is very much a love/hate prospect in the scouting community. He needs a strong week at the Senior Bowl.
9/3/16: Sources say that Davenport has superb measurements to be a starting left tackle in the NFL. He is listed at 6-foot-7, 315 pounds. Scouts say they think he could be an inch shorter but has excellent length with 35-plus-inch arms and 10.5-inch hands. Davenport has good athleticism with quick feet with a background in playing basketball. Athletic ability runs in the family as Davenport is cousins with Charlotte Hornets forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Team sources believe that Davenport could be a future starting left tackle in the NFL.
One scouting director told WalterFootball.com that they think Davenport would be a top-20 pick if he played at a big BCS school, but because of his level of competition, he is probably more likely to be a second-round pick.
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I quit playing oline once I hit puberty, so I'm by no means qualified to talk about the specifics of the position. Thankfully there are a lot of oline gurus on here. So I have a question for them: How hard is it to teach technique to linemen? is it like trying to teach a QB footwork or a WR routes? He's a guy that I'd love to have in round 3 or 4. But if we can't teach him, then what's the point?
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I quit playing oline once I hit puberty, so I'm by no means qualified to talk about the specifics of the position. Thankfully there are a lot of oline gurus on here. So I have a question for them: How hard is it to teach technique to linemen? is it like trying to teach a QB footwork or a WR routes? He's a guy that I'd love to have in round 3 or 4. But if we can't teach him, then what's the point? I'm no guru either but I would like to highlight Jason Peters, who was a TE in college and converted to OT if I recall - and became a pretty good OT with the Eagles and Bills? I seem to recall a few on here made that call, that he would make a great convert. He was also an UDFA.
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This is generalizing but OL as a whole are more coach able than other positions. I worry little about technique unless it's the far ends of the spectrum. Terrible technique lends me to believe they may have trouble learning or ever honing their craft while amazing Tech with even average athleticism is a likely starter immediately. That's why I like Mitchell when he came out and why I love Lamp (  ). The most important things I look for in OL is flexibility while keeping their power. There's a difference between brute strength and functional power. Myself I had brute strength. Outlifted everyone by a lot. But my best friend was a lazy pothead with ungodly functional strength who never touched a weight. Made me look like a woman in 1 v 1. But he couldn't learn technique and had horrid bend so college finesse rushers made him a RT. If someone could please keep an eye on Lamp, Toth, fuller, Gerry, Tre'Davious White and corn I would appreciate it. They intrigue me. Lamp, gerry and white especially I think would start day 1 and be effective. I don't have cable
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Ill keep an eye out... check noon kick.com the day after the practice, they used to post it Also, i'm not sure if you are one of the people that pretend that advanced stats don't mean anything.....but PFF will be there charting practices: http://www.seniorbowl.com/news-highlights-detail.php?news=606
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Thanks ed. No I'm a statistic analysis Bach. If anything I'm the advanced stats proponent. I will definitely be checking that out in depth but I was not aware they did that. As I've said a few times our draft last year lined up almost exactly be PFF value so I take them very seriously when judging our FO
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Right on then. I think advanced stats, that isolate and measure a specific variable can be very effective especially in football and especially in gameplan/playcalling. I see it as taking film study and boiling it down as coaches until you can present it to player in a way that allows them to think: IF i see X then I can expect Y
btw-finally watched some Gerry posted it the other thread
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Browns football boss Sashi Brown won't attend Senior Bowl after back surgery http://www.thescore.com/news/1215602
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I'd be keen to know how the CBs shake out:
DB Chidobe Awuzie Colorado
DB Rasul Douglas West Virginia
DB Damontae Kazee San Diego State
Also DEs Hall (A&M) and Davis (Chatanooga), and TE Roberts (Toledo).
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Didn't Heckert miss something significant one year because of an illness?And Jackson was not able to participate in free agency last year because he was sick. What horrible luck.
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Right on then. I think advanced stats, that isolate and measure a specific variable can be very effective especially in football and especially in gameplan/playcalling. I see it as taking film study and boiling it down as coaches until you can present it to player in a way that allows them to think: IF i see X then I can expect Y
btw-finally watched some Gerry posted it the other thread Yeah I saw that thanks. I think he has the skill set to start right away and would be pretty versatile for both ss and FS. Yeah I especially think it helps with gameplanning. Nothing will ever replace the old Eye test but analysing and breaking everything down helps so much with determining whato the most probable way you succeed
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I'd be keen to know how the CBs shake out:
DB Chidobe Awuzie Colorado
DB Rasul Douglas West Virginia
DB Damontae Kazee San Diego State
Also DEs Hall (A&M) and Davis (Chatanooga), and TE Roberts (Toledo). I love Hall from A&M...really thin, but a strong finisher with great ability
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Jamie Collins made a stop to Mobile to see his coaches!! This is awesome! This has to be a good look outside looking in for any potential free agents who may have Cleveland as an option. 
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Was going to ask if anyone watched the shrine game? Anyone leap out? I watched some of it. The QBs leapt out for the wrong reasons. None looked very good. DeAngelo Brown from Louisville looked interesting. Looked like he could be a good pairing inside with Shelton. He's somewhat undersized, but he looked stout and was disruptive. I'll have to dig into some regular game tape, though. I think the first day of practice is hardly the time to be looking for positives and negatives. Maybe a little later in the week once the guys know each other a bit and have some idea of what the coaches want. 
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Isaac Asiata is a big boy for a Center, the type of size that can handle a DT 1-on-1
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HOLY CRAP. Julien Davenport has nearly an 88" wingspan.
He's a guy I really like.
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Did anyone see how huge Zach Banner from USC was?
6'8"
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Did anyone see how huge Zach Banner from USC was?
6'8"
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10.6" hands That's small compared to what he was. I'm not normally a fan of the tall T's but there might be something with banner
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Lamp I think played OT in college but they list him as an OG cause of his 31" arms...perfect arm length btw for a Center
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Lamp I think played OT in college but they list him as an OG cause of his 31" arms...perfect arm length btw for a Center similar to what the Chiefs did with Mitch Morse, but he had 32 1/4" arms.
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j/c: 7 years at the senior bowl and this is the most dull practice I can remember. I miss Gus Bradley.
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So I was at the "Meet" the Players last night, I just have to say I don't remember a bigger group of Seniors- Size wise.
I am thrilled we finally have a coaching staff to coach this team, it truly is a leg up on the rest of the league.
I'm hoping to meet Browns coaching staff tonight at the "Seafood Jumbliee" if they show up.
If I only knew then what I know today...
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Yeah that was unfortunate to see lamps measurement. I really like the guy and from tape thought he could still be a LT. Maybe not with those arms
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Why would you not like tall tackles?
I get why you don't want your center or guards to be too tall, but being tall--w/long arms--is a huge asset at OT.
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Why would you not like tall tackles?
I get why you don't want your center or guards to be too tall, but being tall--w/long arms--is a huge asset at OT. The long arms are the important part for me. Personally I'll take 6'4 over 6'8 if the arms are the same length. Better leverage(most of the time). Typically after 6'7 they all tend to be very lumbering and slow footed. The only one I've seen of late would be Taylor Lewan and he's just a freak. I was always taught that although most OL coaches love tall because you can ride a guy into the ground on the edge from a higher angles it also leaves your torso more vulnerable and a skilled rusher will turn a corner faster against a tall OT with a good rip. But if that same OT were say 6'4 the angle of his arms is more horizontal so the rusher has a harder time riding under the pass set. Again this is all assuming the arms are the same length. I always used to love watching dbrick Ferguson. He was the perfect LT build to me. Only barely 6'5 320 with 36" insane arms and superb flexibility. Pass rushers had to work so hard against him and he wasn't even really that much of a technician. Maybe above average at his height but physically man he was perfect. Joe's pretty close himself. Not perfect like dbrick but the technique aboiusly makes up for that.
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Thanks for clarifying. That makes a lot more sense.
I like my OT's at around 6'6" to 6'7", w/long arms and great feet.
I think guards and centers should be shorter, around 6'3" to 6'4" inches w/centers being perhaps on the shorter end of it.
Of course, there are many exceptions. Our most underrated player is Greco, and I believe he is 6'6", not sure about that, though. He is a tremendous player and I hope he gets healthy soon.
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Why would you not like tall tackles?
I get why you don't want your center or guards to be too tall, but being tall--w/long arms--is a huge asset at OT. Heights a problem if they don't have the arm length as well.
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Bradley was a dumbass cheerleader and not an actual coach. Bill Belichick could go 0-16 for 41 consecutive seasons and still have a better winning percentage than Gus Bradley. https://twitter.com/LateRoundQB/status/809092431622836224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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