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Whoa whoa whoa. Cam is better than cousins. Pump your brakes.

Don't be so quick...Cam is a more dynamic player as a whole. He has a stronger arm, but you could make a case that's where his superiority ends.

Cousins IS a more accurate passer, no denying this. He has thrown for more yards and more importantly has a higher yards per attempt average. You can try to throw in the argument that Cam runs for yardage, but he still comes up short on yardage overall and exposes himself to injuries in doing so.

TDs, Cousins has the advantage there as well as INTs...

So, why pump the brakes when discussing the two and who any poster on here would prefer?


We haven't even started talking about Cam's distractions on and off the field with his antics...Though nothing to do with trouble or drugs/alcohol, he is always in the middle of some type of talk, sometimes positive, but mostly a more negative distracting tone...and yes, it can make a difference.

Additionally, Cousins reads coverages and goes through his progressions at a much faster rate and that is huge!!!

Based on what?

This season?

Kirk cousins hasn't come close to having a type of year that Cam had last season, or overall for that matter.

Kirk cousins had a good year. But he isn't Cam newton. It's funny because statistically, Kirk cousins best year was 2015, which was 29 TD, 11 INT, and 4 fumbles. This year he threw only 25 TD's with 12 INT, one more than las year. How you have two back to back 4000 yards season and can't crack 30 TD's? Makes you wonder how inflated the numbers are when watching the games.

In 2015 Cam threw 35 TD's with only 10 interceptions and one fumble. So passing he's only better, adding in the rushing stats, and that's where it ain't close. And finally had a down year last year.

One led his team to a super bowl appareande, one led his team to a first round exit with 1 TD and 3 fumbles in that game.

I'll take Cam all day everyday. My money says so would every GM and coach in the league.

Cam Newton has had ONE season out of 6 that he excelled, then fell back to earth this year...Cousins only has two years to go off of, because the Redskins were in the middle of the RGIII experiment his first two seasons. The only two seasons he has started were better than the other 5 years that Cam blew up and had a good year...TD wise...in every other category than TDs, he was same old Cam, similar yards, similar completion percentage, he still didn't read defenses well enough to get rid of the ball faster, causing more sacks.

So you are basing his superiority on one fact that in one out of 6 seasons he threw for 35 TDs?

Pretty short sided of you...and I would say there would be more GMs in this league than you think, would agree. Since we don't have the #s to 32 GMs in the league, this is really not an argument worth having.

Probably. Way too rich for my blood though. Entertain the notion, but tone down that offer a good deal. JMHO, maybe he is worth it to somebody. But that would be like Draft Day stakes.

Why not? You're basing your opinion off the fact that cousins threw for 4900 yards. Comparing the body of work and Cam has that edge.

Comparing just last season, like what you're currently doing, then sure, Kirk had the better year.

Look, I'm a Kirk cousins fan. I think the redskins are stupid for even playing games with this situation right now. He's a franchise QB, lock his ass down and fill the holes on defense.

All I'm saying is that Kirk isn't Cam newton. Cam newton is better.

I wonder how RGIII would react to us getting Cousins?

Likely pack his bags...

And go where? With the year he had also, I doubt there's a team interested in him as a back up. Full year off to recoup and be as healthy as possible, and he was hurt all season.

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Besides let's be blunt and real, do we really want to trade or give up alot for a Qb and put him behind "our" offensive line? The same line that gave all our qbs shoulder injuries, concussions and pain because they cannot block.

IMO, let's build a line and hope we can resign Pryor and with the same breathe of hope, hope that Coleman becomes the WR we drafted and that we have an offensive line that can pass and run block. Until we have that, spending big on a Qb seems pointless. He'll just get rattled and beat up.

Well, it would be an improvement over what we have I think but still, is he the long term answer? I question that.

I think we would probably cut him and go with Cousins, Kessler, and someone else. Maybe a late round or UDFA rookie, or pick up a late camp cut in August as the 3rd guy.


Just to add.....maybe we keep Josh around.

Cousins is scheduled to be a free agent. If Washington can't re-sign him, they will likely use the franchise tag on him.

Cousins wants to [rightfully] get paid.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-friendly-deal/

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/here-a...st-paid-player/

Just for reference, the difference between the top 5, top 10, and #10 in average salary for a QB is not huge.

Top 5 average is $23,465,467/year
Top 10 average is $21,264,500/year
#10 currently (Cam Newton) average is $20,760,000/year.

The difference is 1.6% of the projected cap.

But, I agree with you and others that says Washington pretty much has to resign him

Does "long term answer" mean is he the guy that can be holding the Lombardi on the stand in a Brown's uniform?

Most all of us question that.

#awkward

Look at it this way............."most" of you are continually wrong when it comes to the Browns.

I can't believe people are even debating whether or not getting Cousins would be a good move or not.

This place amazes me at times.

This is a waste of time talking about. Cousins will be a Redskin next year.

If any team shpuld trade for him, it should be the Jets. He'd fill Fitzys spot pretty well..

Maybe Denver if they had the cap room..

Bruce Allen adamant that QB Kirk Cousins will be back with Redskins

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18547...-cousins-return

This works two ways. One, it lets the fans know that the team wants Cousins back and it is the QBs fault if things go wrong. Two, it maintains the high price to acquire Cousins for other teams.

There is no way Allen would ever say they don't want Cousins back.

This is all posturing.

I agree w/both of those options, but there is a third option. Perhaps the Skins really do want Cousins back. LOL

The guy is a very good qb who has a bright future.

Cousins shoved a ref at a charity flag football game:



http://deadspin.com/kirk-cousins-shoves-volunteer-official-at-charity-flag-1792008254

Statement from the ref:



Seems like a good guy.

Dude is very competitive. It's working out great for him. Even if he's an arse because of it. Worked out great for Kobe. Worked out great for MJ.

If someone is good enough to win games, it's nicer that they were a nice person and it would be icing on the cake but I could care less. Besides, the Browns need all the competitiveness and swagger they can get. If possible I would take a whole team of Terrell Pryor's.

This is all true. I just would like to see a little more decorum in a charity flag football game.

Even Kobe and Jordan knew when to turn it on and off.

Meh....Gambling issues w/ Jordan (and his dad's death). Kobe was accused of rape. Poor examples.

Days later, a book called "Michael & Me: Our Gambling Addiction, My Cry For Help," by San Diego business executive Richard Esquinas was released detailing how Jordan had owed Esquinas as much as $1.25 million in golf gambling debts.

Once again, James Jordan came to his son's defense, saying that Michael did not have a gambling problem.

"He wouldn't be doing it if he couldn't afford it," James Jordan said. "He's not that stupid. He's got a competition problem. He was born with that."

Article

Not sure if serious....

Lol, Kirk better then Cam huh?

Cam IS the Panthers offense Kirk is only a part of Redskins offense, an important part but Kirk's has a much better supporting cast.. OL, WRs and imo scheme.

In your previous post you completely ignore Camps production on the ground.
Whether or not you like Cam's style of play you can't simply ignore an entire aspect of his stats/production.

Is there any way Kirk Cousins wins the MVP with the team Cam Newton had?

If this were Cam Newton, this charity thing would be getting all kinds of hype.

Kirk was out of line. You don't put your hands on another man, unless you are ready for them to reciprocate.

I don't think so with Cam. He has a pretty good reputation. Now Colin Kaepernick would have have been crucified.

I hate to agree with the race angle, but I think you're right.

When you are a 28 year old NFL player, 6'3", 220 lbs.. and you shove a 5'8" 200 lb, 50 year old lawn care superintendent who is volunteering to ref a charity football game.. the chance of retaliation is pretty slim unless the guy was going to shoot him.

So he is either an out of control hot head, a real coward, or both...

Kirk stays in Washington...I would say zero chance he plays somewhere else next year.

50 year old lawn care superintendents across the country are offended.

A LOT of people dislike Newton. He showboats too much. He didn't dive on a fumble in the SB. He pouted in the post game interviews.

He may be all smiles when he's selling yogurt. But generally I would say he isn't viewed too positively.

yep, its really easy to be positive and happy go lucky when the chips are up, how you handle the low times says alot about your character

And he's black. You forgot that one.