DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Does Hue Need an O Coordinator?

I think he needs a d@mn good one.

only if it is a darn good one...but who? idk...we will see how this plays out.

He dug really deep, back into his past, for our O Line coach.

Who knows, are there any legendary, old, offensive guys out there? What Hue needs is a guy that is clearly better at it than he is. Then he could be freed up to what he was hired to do -- learn how to be a great NFL Head Coach.

If there was an OC better than Hue willing to work for hue that would be kind of a bad choice for that person since he would be a HC candidate.

Some of you with this strange idea that we can land a better OC than Hue need to fix your brain because you're not thinking rationally.

but i don't think he'd ever relinquish play calling duties. he's been pretty adamant about it

No he doesn't.

He needs:

A cohesive OL
Another WEAPON
And a gosh damn QUARTERBACK

I'm sure there are a few of us old guys out here who are..."offensive".

"If there was an OC better than Hue willing to work for hue that would be kind of a bad choice for that person since he would be a HC candidate."

This.

Who's our QB coach right now?

Yeah, that shoe fits half the board here, lol.

We have one. He was just appointed. A shift in duties...I can't remember his name.

I'd just make him the part time OC in name only.

j/c

I think many people get the term offensive coordinator confused with play-caller. Hugh Jackson will be the play-caller. But to have a complete staff he still needs someone to coordinate the offense, especially when he is off doing head coaching stuff. Also, I think youth would be the way to go here to balance out the experience (age)of this staff.

That seems to be the answer I'd go with

I like the idea of Hue finding someone to mentor and build up to run his style of offense aka paul brown to bill walsh kind of thing

I think ed provided the most reasonable and correct answer.

I don't think that Hue needs to bring in someone to be the playcaller. I do think that he should have an OC to help w/practices, meetings, be a voice in his ear, concentrate on details, etc type of guy.

The problem is that any decent guy most likely would not want to come here. I think Greg Roman is an example of that kind of guy.

I bet the conversation will be hot and heavy during next year's season about Hue having too much on his plate and how he needs an OC. LOL

This reminds me of the the topic centered around "We need a proven talent evaluator/GM" conversation. How do we know Hue doesn't already have this person already in place? Someone to do the tasks you just described? Why does someone need to be called an Offensive Coordinator to do that when that role is generally around calling plays in the first place? I agree someone like Greg Roman would most likely be hired as an offensive coordinator only if he was given the role of calling plays, but I don't see the tasks you listed above needing the title of "offensive coordinator". Pep seemingly did that last year and he wasn't an offensive coordinator in title.

It's like the whole Andrew Berry thing. Just because he isn't called GM doesn't mean he is not leading talent evaluation and managing scouts. The question is who is calling the shots.

Give Hue more talent and I think that will address the concern of having/not having an OC more than anything. If you don't think Hue needs to relinquish play calling, then I don't think an Offensive Coordinator needs to be hired. If you think Hue should give it up, then that's a different conversation.

And running the offense can't be a part of that?

I would prefer if he did but, if Hue calls plays I can deal with that. He did it last year. However, I do believe we need a proper QB coach. I know he has his old coach out of Pacific working with QBs...I just hope that translates into the NFL.

This is more or less what I'm concerned about....has Hue hired the right people to assist with what he wants to do offensively if he is going to continue calling plays?

I have no doubts about that!

I wouldn't be surprised in the least that if, heaven forbid, our record isn't looking any better this year than last, that the top brass's first signs of tightening Hue's leash will be in insisting he hires an OC.

I come down on the side of the fence that says, "no". He needs an influx of talent, a QB who can get the ball to open playmakers in a timely manner, and experience on the sideline as the HC. He's made some very stupid calls, and some highly questionable calls, but mainly as the HC. As the OC, he calls a pretty good, decently aggressive game. Time and game experience will help him grow, and refine his game managing skills. I'm ok with that.

I wish he'd rely on the run game more to establish the pass, then get a lead and keep it with the run game. Hopefully, we'll see a shift in paradigm with more talent, a decent QB, and an aggressive D that can get off the field on third down.

The TE coach now was in Oakland as TE coach when Myers had his "breakout" year (2012, I think, was looking them up the other day) there. That one seems fine.

QB coach, we'll have to see. I do like that Hue is familiar with him at least.

I'm not sure if Hue not having an OC will help or hurt us. I'm not sure how exactly he split his time last year. I think if he spends more time with the O it could help on offense as there seemed to be some disconnect at times with the play calling. I'm not sure how that will affect his head coaching and time management duties though.

j/c:

This reminds me of many conversations we have on this board. Some like to spin everything in a positive light and seemingly dislike conversation. Then, a year later they are calling for the head of <<insert name>>.

It comes down to competence. The Browns draft was disappointing. Perhaps a proven NFL talent evaluator could have done a better job. Perhaps having a proven OC and/or QB coach could help this offense.

Let's ignore all of that and draw lines in the sand, though. It's very productive.

Yes Hue Needs an OC ... JMHO

If I have the time I will scan and post Bill Walsh's breakdown of the roles and duties of the offensive staff.

But in the in between time here are some of the roles of the OC.

Nvrmd found it online here:

http://www.westcoastoffense.com/implementing%20game%20plan.htm

Might give those interested a look at the various roles of the different coaches on the offensive staff. And how much will fall on Hue's plate without an OC.

We hired Jackson because of his offensive expertise (which includes his playcalling).

I think his staff could be a little more robust, but Jackson is and should be the offensive coordinator.

You still get his offensive expertise and his playcalling without him being the offensive coordinator.
In fact I would argue that having an offensive coordinator allows Hue to fine focus his expertise, gameplanning and playcalling.

He's going to take on the roll of offensive coordinator no matter what. Hiring a person to that position won't change that.

On top of that, IIRC, when Hue was first hired and asked about it, didn't he say something to the effect that he preferred being much more hands on Game Day?

IMO unless or until he shows that he can't do both, I don't see hiring an OC as a necessity.

I agree. I said it some days ago. The problem is it is hard to find a "OC" who is going to run Hue's O and have Hue call plays.


In most cases the OC installs his O and calls the plays.


It is hard to make a name for yourself if you aren't able to do that. To me that makes you a senior O coach.


To me, it isn't the same.

I am beginning to wonder about Hue. Last year when Hue was talking about QB play he said the two things he sought were vision and accuracy. This year it is vision and arm talent.


To me, accuracy and arm talent atrn't the same thing.

Hue might not be the QB guru that some thought. If I was Sasi, Hue might still gave the biggest hammer on QB stuff, but mine just go a lot bigger and his a little smaller.

IF An OC is hired why do you think Hue would will still take on that role? What do you think the role of offensive coordinator entails?

Hue Jackson has a huge ego and having an "offensive coordinator" on staff would not change anything Jackson does.

IF An OC is hired why do you think Hue would will still take on that role?

What do you think the role of offensive coordinator entails?

You are typically reasonable. Not sure how you can agree w/cfrs's post.

Also, it ain't working. Horton got fired. His defense was ranked 30th in scoring and 31st in yards. Hue's offense was ranked 31st in scoring and 30th in yards.

Not sure how that equates to getting it done?

Also, his top assistant resigned and went to a collegiate program. If that doesn't tell you how bad things are in Cleveland, well..........no further comment.

This is Hue's offense, I think he would be the best one to call it. I think Hamilton was the defacto OC last year. He knows the offence and has taught it.

Will you clarify?

Are you talking about playcalling or being an OC? Or, are you confusing them?

Green Bay isn't bringing Tom Clements back

Tom freaking Clements.
I saw Tom Clements throw a Grey Cup-winning TD pass in 1976, when he played for the Ottawa rough riders. Tony Gabriel caught it.

He must be in his early 60s. Played for KC for awhile I think.