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Yeah trading away our top picks reaching for that franchise QB has always worked well here. It's insane not to do it again right?
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Browns 2nd round pick (#33) is same as a 1st for the Patriots, since they'll most likely be taking their 1st at #32. At least that's how I'd try to spin it, if I was offering it. A 4th is nothing, we have 3 picks in the 4th. Yeppers. Give them 33. Any 4th they want. Hell, you can have any 5th too, Billy-Boy. Done deal. Play him and then ink him long term if we want. And Yes, MAC. He's worth every bit of what Osweiler got IF he plays well all year. Read that again so you STOP asking the question. IF he plays well all year. NOT the day we make the trade.
...that was what I thought about your post until I read the big IF, you added.
You see, I'm talking about taking the chance, investing the draft picks and an Osweiler 72 million dollar contract with half guaranteed money...all this based on 2 starts/1.5 qtrs.
Yea, if the Browns had a crystal ball they could depend on, they could take all kinds of risks...but I'm talking about reality, no crystal ball and very little play on the field as a basis for making such a decision.
Adding the IF is just as good as saying you would NOT take the risk!
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Browns 2nd round pick (#33) is same as a 1st for the Patriots, since they'll most likely be taking their 1st at #32. At least that's how I'd try to spin it, if I was offering it. A 4th is nothing, we have 3 picks in the 4th. Yeppers. Give them 33. Any 4th they want. Hell, you can have any 5th too, Billy-Boy. Done deal. Play him and then ink him long term if we want. And Yes, MAC. He's worth every bit of what Osweiler got IF he plays well all year. Read that again so you STOP asking the question. IF he plays well all year. NOT the day we make the trade. Agree 100%. Hell we can even tag him for another year if we have doubts
...and just because the Patriots want a deal like Philly got for Sam Bradford, a 1st rounder and 4th, doesn't mean we give it.
Sam Bradford came with a helluva lot more game film that Garoppolo has, so the Vikings had a good idea he was worth it, given their situation. Garoppolo comes with about 6 qtrs of evidence, while Bradford came with 312 qtrs of evidence.
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Yeah trading away our top picks reaching for that franchise QB has always worked well here. It's insane not to do it again right? So we should just give up on getting a Francise QB. We've always done so well without one. Thank God we didn't have one last year. 1-15 was great.
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Originally Posted By: Jester
I will answer your question from my point of view.
If we trade for G, I would not give him an Osweiler type contract right off the bat. I would let him play the year out on his current contract. Then if he earns it, I would sign him to a long term contract, realizing that this would be a few million more per year but accept that cost as protection from him failing to live up to what I expected.
If he is difficult to sign then franchise him.
There is conversation about Garoppolo on the Collins thread, so I decided to bring my response to Jester over here.
jester...that is exactly what I posted a couple of days ago. Don't get in a hurry to sign JimmyG to a huge contract right away...it makes more sense to wait to see him perform for at least half of next season to get a better handle on his value.
Then, if JG plays like a 72 million dollar QB, you pay the man.
...that would all but eliminate the contract risk.
Then, the Browns have deal with the trade value. The Patriots talking about a Bradford type trade, expecting a 1st round pick and a 4th, is way out of place considering the sample size. The Vikings knew what they were getting in Bradford while JimmyG is an UNKNOWN quality.
The Browns first 4 picks would be off-limits in trade talks. The Browns (2017) #65 pick is really a 2nd round pick in value...that pick plus a future (2018) conditional pick in the 3-4th round, depending on how Garp plays..that would seem fair to me.
#65 and a 2018 3-4th conditional pick.
If the Patriots insist on more in trade that includes any of our top 4 picks, the Browns might as well keep all their picks and draft their own QB. In some ways, this is what I prefer...drafting the best QB and develop him into a franchise QB...thus, building the Browns via the draft.
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mac, Jimmy G is NOT a FA. We do NOT have to outbid other teams for him.
He is still under contract and we would have to trade for him in order to acquire his services.
Thus, the comparison to Osweiler is ludicrous. Perhaps you will give it up now.
LOL.......we all know the odds of that. Ain't a chance in hell.
But mac, I'm telling you this now. I am going to speak the truth every single time you attempt to deceive posters w/your false claims regarding Jimmy G and Osweiler.
See, I respect Attack's position. He said he doesn't think Jimmy G is all that good and prefers the qbs in the draft. I disagree w/his take, but it's an honest take. It is very much unlike your deceptive crap!
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mac, Jimmy G is NOT a FA. We do NOT have to outbid other teams for him.
What if other teams want to trade for him wouldn't the Browns have out bid them on trade offers? Be it Picks, players, future picks...?
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j/c (I am not an expert, what follows is my opinion.)
I'm on the Sam Darnold bandwagon. I think he has a better chance of being a stud QB than any of the QBs in the 2017 draft. If we draft a QB this year, we have effectively eliminated drafting Darnold. Whomever we draft may prove to be decent to good, but I think there is little chance any will be great.
I like the idea of trading for Garoppolo. We don't know if he can be the guy but a 1 year trial is more realistic than one for a drafted QB. He's already 3 years into the education process for an NFL QB. If he proves out, we don't need to go after Darnold. If he doesn't, we can go after him without having to worry about not giving Watson, Trubisky, or Kizer a fair shot.
If we use the #1 overall for Garrett, get another impact player at #12 and trade for Garoppolo, it's been a successful draft without closing out taking a shot at Darnold if Garoppolo isn't the guy.
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fair shot.
If we use the #1 overall for Garrett, get another impact player at #12 trade up if we have to to get Hooker next...then go all in to get Gilmore CB from the Bills...dream plan for me 
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Man I haven't been able to get in here for a while..
Anyway..I'm not of the feeling of giving up a high pick for a QB who might just be average, when I think there are several QB's in this draft who may have more upside than JG has. And that is what it boils down to, rather than all that other fabricated nonsense that some are spewing. Attack, I see it the other way. I think Jimmy G is a better prospect than any of the QBs in this draft. I think he is a better decision maker and can go through his progressions quickly. He is a much "safer" option in my mind. But again, I have no problem w/those who don't feel that way.
It's something I haven't seen from the little I've seen him play.
He can do the intermediate routes but it's those longer ones I'm concerned about.
Since I briefly saw JT's name..I find it interesting he's now commenting about things that matter a lot.
I agree with him that I wouldn't draft any of these QB's with either 1st rounders..but I would think about between rds 2-4..
You've got several of the best players sitting there for that first pick..take one..be done with it..
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PRESEASON GAME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV5o7hUc8rwWEEK ONE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixrLtgGKS-8The first 30 seconds shows a very nice deep pass vs the cardinals and a prime example of what i mean by dropping it in the bucket. WEEK TWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUI6YmBkj1w&t=298sJimmy has a better deep ball than Tom and is very accurate under 40 yards. Sometimes when he wants to throw it away he just goes deep and gives a wr a chance at it so it lowers his stat numbers a bit.
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Highlight video from college days where he was happy to throw bombs right in the bucket and hitting wr in stride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBoj4bQCaQsHope these videos help you out Attack
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Attack, I have seen him make all the throws in college. He doesn't have a weak arm. It's not an "elite arm" like Rodgers, but his arm is above average. Here is a summary from Dane Brugler, who is one of the best at evaluating college players. Also take a look at what the NFC scout had to say about Jimmy G. SUMMARY: A late bloomer, Garoppolo didn’t receive much attention as a high school recruit, but he became the starter at Eastern Illinois midway through his freshman season and steadily improved his play and production ever since. He culminated his career with a record-breaking senior season, operating from a mostly shotgun, spread attack with a lot of quick-strike throws (screens, slants, etc.). Garoppolo is a very efficient and smart passer with lightning quickness between the time he takes the snap, makes a decision and gets the ball out of his hand. He lacks elite arm strength, but is more than adequate in this area and isn’t afraid to test small windows. Garoppolo is appealing as a next level quarterback because of his eye use, timing and overall intellectual process as a passer – will benefit from NFL coaching and should continue to get better, projecting as a future NFL starter within 2-3 years. WHAT NFL SCOUTS ARE SAYING: “His delivery is the best I’ve seen in the last five years. He sees the field, makes the read and gets the ball out fast. Everything is a tick faster in the league so that efficient delivery is a big coup for his NFL future.” – NFC North Scout http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/prospect-profile-eastern-illinois-qb-jimmy-garoppolo/I think he is much better than any qb in this draft.
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mac and others:
No, we don't have to sign him right away, he is not a FA in 2017. He will be one in 2018.
I think what is important is the cost of the Trade.
If its a 3rd round pick for a player for one season (like we did with Collins) Then we can wait and see how he plays and what kind of contract we give him.
But if we are talking about a first round or #33 Plus in trade. I think we would have to negotiated an extension prior to committing to the trade. Cause we will not give up Draft value for a one year rental and then lose him forever.
So key is what we would need to give up to get him. If considered a steal like Collins then we could wait to see how he plays.
But if we are talking about coming close to what the Pats want for JG...we have to negotiate that Extension as part of the deal.
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Disagree on the extension based on trade compensation.
Play him. If he's good, sign him later. Tag him if need be. Keep negotiations going. If he played really good, then give him Franchise Money.
This will be easy.
We've got picks out the wazoooo. Use them.
If we end up with Garoppolo, Garrett and Hooker with our first 4 picks, that is Franchise Changing.
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I will say this and I have seen some limited play..he'd be better than any QB they have trotted on the field since...fill in the blank...
Now that said..will it happen?
Dunno..
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No, it probably won't happen.
I am just wishing it would.
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EO...Found this article that discusses the subject... Cleveland Browns have Terry Talkin' Jimmy Garoppolo contract, coaching staff changes -- Terry Pluto Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer updated January 14, 2017 at 7:53 PM link CONSIDERING JIMMY GAROPPOLO I'm not going to do an in-depth look at the New England backup QB right now. Cleveland.com's Dan Labbe did an excellent job breaking down some film. But while talking to the NFL executive, he mentioned something about Garoppolo that I hadn't considered. "If the Browns trade for him, they better be sure he's their guy," the executive said. It's not just the cost. It could be the Browns' 12th pick in the first round of the 2017 draft, or some combination with second-round picks. "After the (2017) season, Garoppolo is going to be a free agent," said the executive. "You can't trade some high picks and then lose him after a year. You have to sign him pretty much after you trade for him." And that will cost big money ... and a big chunk out of the salary cap. Garoppolo has started two games for the Patriots as Tom Brady's backup. He was the 62nd pick in the 2014 draft. His NFL career consists of 94 pass attempts. To be exact, he is 63-of-94 (67 percent) with 5 TDs and zero interceptions. Garoppolo looked pretty good in his two starts, but New England also knows how to take care of its quarterbacks. I'm putting the talent evaluation aside, and going right to the price. Brock Osweiler started seven games for Denver in 2015. The Broncos were 5-2 in his starts, he threw 10 TD passes compared to six interceptions -- completing 62 percent of his passes. That's promising, but not eye-popping. Osweiler became a free agent and signed this contract with the Houston Texans: $72 million for four years, $37 million guaranteed. $21 million in 2016, counting his signing bonus. He is guaranteed $16 million in 2017. He started 14 games, and had an 8-6 record, completing 59 percent of his passes for 15 TDs compared to 16 interceptions. At the end of the season, Osweiler temporarily lost his job to unheralded backup Tom Savage. His $16 million guaranteed for 2017 makes him untradeable. So the Browns run a risk: If they sign Garappolo, it will probably be for a huge contract. If he fails in 2017, then they are in the same spot as Houston with Osweiler. If they don't sign him, he could play well enough to sign elsewhere after the 2017 season. Or his price tag could be even higher. If the Browns do deal for Garoppolo, there are millions of reasons why they have to be sure he is their guy. THE FRANCHISE TAG If the Browns traded for Garoppolo but couldn't get him to sign an extension, then could use the franchise tag on him. It's about $20 million for quarterbacks now -- and will be higher after the 2017 season. There all kinds of issues of with having a QB who believes the team will pay him $20M, but not really commit to him. Franchise players can create real problems. Players and agents HATE it. They scheme to get their guys out as fast as possible when it happens. The Browns need to show they can actually sign and keep guys, creating a place players will want to play.
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Trading down has stunk. More poor picks. Big deal. Trading up and back in would make sense to me. Try it. At least fail in new ways.
I like Hooker and Garrett. Get your FA QB if it makes sense or settle for a later pick. Tired of projects that we have to keep losing to see what we have. Hasn't seemed to work well so far. Get what you came for.
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I would not trade Joe away for anything. He has earned the right to finish his career here. We just need to get him to the play offs while he is here. I think we can do it too. Ditto. Unless he demands a trade, you keep him right here. If he wants out, he'll say so. If he doesn't say so, you let him stay right where he is.
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Browns 2nd round pick (#33) is same as a 1st for the Patriots, since they'll most likely be taking their 1st at #32. At least that's how I'd try to spin it, if I was offering it. A 4th is nothing, we have 3 picks in the 4th. Yeppers. Give them 33. Any 4th they want. Hell, you can have any 5th too, Billy-Boy. Done deal. Play him and then ink him long term if we want. And Yes, MAC. He's worth every bit of what Osweiler got IF he plays well all year. Read that again so you STOP asking the question. IF he plays well all year. NOT the day we make the trade. Agree 100%. Hell we can even tag him for another year if we have doubts
...and just because the Patriots want a deal like Philly got for Sam Bradford, a 1st rounder and 4th, doesn't mean we give it.
Sam Bradford came with a helluva lot more game film that Garoppolo has, so the Vikings had a good idea he was worth it, given their situation. Garoppolo comes with about 6 qtrs of evidence, while Bradford came with 312 qtrs of evidence.
No I would not give up a first a fourth and immediately pay 72mil for him I agreed with kwip who states a second and a fourth and then play him a year. You can garner 16 games experience to determine if in fact you want to keep him Seems like a legit risk to me. No I would not give a first for him and certainly not pay him. Actually that reasoning is the exact opposite of using a crystal ball
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EO...Found this article that discusses the subject... This is the second time you posted this dumb ass article. It's what started all the BS about comparing Jimmy G to Osweiler. Pluto has become a lazy reporter. Jesus.........he didn't know that Jimmy G was going to become a FA after next season? His schtick is almost as weak as yours.
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I would not trade Joe away for anything. He has earned the right to finish his career here. We just need to get him to the play offs while he is here. I think we can do it too. Ditto. Unless he demands a trade, you keep him right here. If he wants out, he'll say so. If he doesn't say so, you let him stay right where he is. Purp, just so you know. There were not any reports of Joe being part of a trade for Jimmy G. There was an article where Joe said he would like NE to win the Super Bowl so Goodell would have to hand over the trophy to Brady. LOL Mack ran w/that and it got him to thinking that Joe might be part of a trade for Jimmy G. I'm not kidding. LOL
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Trade for Jimmy Garoppolo would be too rich for rebuilding Browns http://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/browns/trade-jimmy-garoppolo-rich-rebuilding-browns/It’s hard to get much done in the NFL without a decent quarterback. The Cleveland Browns know this, and there’s a strong chance they will try to rectify the situation in the upcoming NFL Draft. With both the first and the twelfth overall selections, the Browns will have their pick of the litter and can easily address their quarterback situation in the first half of the first round. They could also leverage those picks into a trade for a quarterback, though an old timer like Tony Romo or Jay Cutler makes little sense. Could a younger guy like Jimmy Garoppolo make sense? Back in December, ESPN’s Adam Schefter speculated that if a quarterback like Sam Bradford could garner a first- and a fourth-round pick, then that price would likely be a starting point for any team talking to the New England Patriots about Garoppolo. Schefter added that he thinks it would be hard to get Garoppolo away from the Patriots, and if that is the case, the price could get more expensive. While the Patriots are confident in Tom Brady, having a potential successor behind him just in case has to be on their mind. As is the fact that Garoppolo is going to be up for a new contract soon. On the surface, it seems like a smart move for the Browns, but there are many considerations for meeting that potential asking price. While Garoppolo played well (he completed 43 of 63 passes for 502 yards and four touchdowns with no interceptions over the course of six games this season, including two starts), he’s still a mostly unknown commodity. We’ve seen a lot of quarterbacks come out of New England and not amount to much—Ryan Mallett is the latest name, with Matt Cassel another well known one. Two picks – or even one high pick – might seem a lot for a team which has as many holes as the Browns have. They do have two picks in the first round, but it was obvious to anyone who watched the team play that they could dearly use all the picks they could get. That’s why some trades don’t make sense for a rebuilding team. Tony Romo or Jay Cutler are too past their prime. The Browns need a young guy, someone with a long career and upside. They could very well stand pat with Robert Griffin III and the backups behind him and bring a rookie along slowly. Sure, the pressure to start him immediately would be heavy, but by the same token, it would be if they traded for Garoppolo. In fact, as Garoppolo’s contract is over at the end of next season, they would be under even more pressure to determine if he’s worth big money—in which case they have to start him immediately—or pay him the moment they trade for him (the most likely scenario), in which case for the money he’d get they would have to start him. The pitfall there is paying Garoppolo a ton of money and then having him go full “Brock Osweiler” under center. That’s not remotely farfetched given the dearth of talent that is there to support a quarterback. The backfield is OK, Corey Coleman and Tyrelle Pryor or solid but the offensive line is a mess and there’s no defense to speak of. Yes, Garoppolo is an option and the Browns should kick the tires on a trade for him. If Schefter’s guess at the cost is on target, though, they are better off exploring other possibilities and building the rest of the team up. We already know it’s a long process. No sense in rushing it and possibly making it much worse.
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I keep reading about the risks and problems of trading for Jimmy G. Those same "journalists" never seem to measure the issues w/drafting an unproven qb in a weak qb class.
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I keep reading about the risks and problems of trading for Jimmy G. Those same "journalists" never seem to measure the issues w/drafting an unproven qb in a weak qb class.
It's amazing. I honestly feel like the Browns trading for Jimmy G makes a ton of sense. Apparently writing articles about good ideas isn't as fun as writing about why you shouldn't do it...
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I keep reading about the risks and problems of trading for Jimmy G. Those same "journalists" never seem to measure the issues w/drafting an unproven qb in a weak qb class.
It's amazing. I'm all for not drafting a QB high or overspending on Jimmy G. I still say offer a 3rd this year and a conditional future pick based upon how well/much he plays this year. Have that rise to a first rounder if he makes a pro bowl/the playoffs/starts X games/has top 20 QB rating(with minimum # of games played) or whatever. If he shows up and plays well, great. He'd be worth a future first. If he can't beat out Kessler and RG3, we aren't forced to play him by what we gave up. Jimmy G is worth a third round pick on potential (i,e. not knowing how he'll pan out) If he pans out, he'd be worth a lot more which we could possibly structure any trade to account for while still protecting ourselves. If they want more guaranteed draft picks I hold out. The longer it drags out the less leverage the Patriots have. If someone outbids us as far as this year's draft picks, so be it. If the Pats aren't enticed by the potential future first, they probably don't think he'll earn them it. I'd rather roll with Kessler than take a QB early in this draft or Bet big on Jimmy G. If we could get Jimmy G while somewhat protecting ourselves from him busting, I'd like it.
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In an interesting twist, though, Garoppolo’s dad wants Jimmy to stay in New England. "We hope he stays in New England," the elder Garoppolo said over the summer. "Maybe there’s a way they can still work with the two of them with the progression, only time will tell." I don’t think there’s any way that the Patriots will push Tom Brady out the door while he still wants to play, but perhaps the Patriots could sign Garoppolo to a long-term extension with enough guaranteed money to equal the franchise tag in 2018 and 2019 (roughly $40 million guaranteed, total, in the same neighborhood as Texans’ QB Brock Osweiler) and the two sides can reassess the situation at the completion of Brady’s contract. I know, for me at least, I think it’s worth tightening the salary cap belt for two years if it means that Brady gets to ride off into whatever sunset he wants and the Patriots will still have a franchise quarterback secured beyond 2019. http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/9/22/1301...om-brady-retire
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I kind of like a guy Hue is working with at the Senior Bowl, Davis Webb. (in the 3rd or 4th) If we decide to stand pat and draft a guy, that's the direction I would go. I don't have a big problem with trading for Garappolo. as long as the price is not one of our top 3 picks.
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There are a lot of things to like about Webb.
Then there's the flip side...I'm not sure whether he knows in advance where he's going with some of this throws or just makes terrible decisions, but there are too many of these. If this can be fixed, I'd be up for him mid to late.
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NRTU.... I was keen on Jimmy when he was drafted in the 2nd. I don't understand the logic whereby his positives when he was drafted would have diminished? Surely, being sat and learning behind the GOAT can ONLY be a benefit? From NFL.com Pick Analysis: The Illinois prep started the final eight games of his true freshman season in 2010, completing 124 of 211 passes (58.8 percent) for 1,639 yards with 14 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Made all 11 starts in 2011, going 217-of-349 for 2,644 with 20 TDs and 14 INTs. Went 331-of-540 (61.3 percent)for 3,823 yards with 31 TDs and 15 INTs in 12 starts in 2012. Named the Walter Payton Award winner, given to top player in FCS, in 2013 after going 375-of-568 (66.0 percent) for 5,050 yards with 53 TDs and nine INTs in 14 contests. Threw for 450 yards and six touchdowns in the Panthers' only regular-season loss, to Northern Illinois. Is one of only two quarterbacks to throw for more than 5,000 yards in a season (Taylor Heinicke, 2012) in FCS history. Was named the Offensive MVP of the East-West Shrine Game. Had eight career rushing touchdowns and a 23-22 record in 45 starts. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/jimmy-garoppolo?id=2543801OVERVIEW The Illinois prep started the final eight games of his true freshman season in 2010, completing 124 of 211 passes (58.8 percent) for 1,639 yards with 14 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Made all 11 starts in 2011, going 217-of-349 for 2,644 with 20 TDs and 14 INTs. Went 331-of-540 (61.3 percent)for 3,823 yards with 31 TDs and 15 INTs in 12 starts in 2012. Named the Walter Payton Award winner, given to top player in FCS, in 2013 after going 375-of-568 (66.0 percent) for 5,050 yards with 53 TDs and nine INTs in 14 contests. Threw for 450 yards and six touchdowns in the Panthers' only regular-season loss, to Northern Illinois. Is one of only two quarterbacks to throw for more than 5,000 yards in a season (Taylor Heinicke, 2012) in FCS history. Was named the Offensive MVP of the East-West Shrine Game. Had eight career rushing touchdowns and a 23-22 record in 45 starts. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Has a very quick trigger and good wrist snap that translates to a smooth throwing motion and clean, compact delivery (no windup). Lightning release quickness. Urgent decision maker. Sells play-action. Athletic enough to slide in the pocket and buy time with his feet while keeping his eyes downfield. Good anticipation -- throws his receivers open. Can change ball speeds and drop it in a bucket. Does not take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball. Will deliver the ball looking down the barrel of a gun. Tough-minded and poised in the pocket -- can withstand a hit and pop back up. Highly competitive. Smart, respected, vocal team leader. Very durable, experienced, four-year starter. Good football intelligence. WEAKNESSES Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms. Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield, and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the Ohio Valley Conference. DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2 BOTTOM LINE A decorated FCS passer, Garoppolo could excite quarterback coaches with his quick delivery, mental make-up and work habits, yet he still needs to prove he can fit the ball into tight windows and do more than carve up soft shells the way he regularly did on his way to a record-breaking performance in college. Possesses the physical tools to eventually earn an NFL starting job in a rhythm passing game with continued refinement but is more of a caretaker than a game changer and will require some patience adapting to the NFL game. So if you feel he doesn't have the size for our division, I can kinda see that. His scouting report mentioned durability as a positive - he was injured this year, yes, but injuries are random occurences. However, reading the above, he'd arguably be one of the best QBs in this draft. I would be fine sending a 2nd and conditional 3rd in 2018 if Hue deems him a fit. I'm not sold either way personally - I want to build and vastly upgrade our defense in this draft. I just don't see the logic of JG being WORSE than when he was drafted is all - no offense intended to anyone. I will also say, god help me, I still like Kessler (no throwing things at me  ).
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I keep reading about the risks and problems of trading for Jimmy G. Those same "journalists" never seem to measure the issues w/drafting an unproven qb in a weak qb class.
It's amazing. Yeah. And the fact we've got picks out the [censored] is under center. Use the damn picks and potentially put a flipping STOP to this BS we work around year after year after DAMN YEAR. We're the brunt of jokes every year because of what we trot out there at QB every year.
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Trading down has stunk. More poor picks. Big deal. Trading up and back in would make sense to me. Try it. At least fail in new ways.
I like Hooker and Garrett. Get your FA QB if it makes sense or settle for a later pick. Tired of projects that we have to keep losing to see what we have. Hasn't seemed to work well so far. Get what you came for. Use a 2nd rounder to get Grappalo and a 2nd to move up from 12 if a target is there, say Adams. I am good with JG, Garrett, and Adams as my first 2 rounds. We have to consider we will be getting some pretty good comp picks this year, and we can now trade those to move up further. (I am pretty sure we can now trade those. If wrong, I stand corrected)
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NRTU.... I was keen on Jimmy when he was drafted in the 2nd. I don't understand the logic whereby his positives when he was drafted would have diminished? Surely, being sat and learning behind the GOAT can ONLY be a benefit? So if you feel he doesn't have the size for our division, I can kinda see that. His scouting report mentioned durability as a positive - he was injured this year, yes, but injuries are random occurences. However, reading the above, he'd arguably be one of the best QBs in this draft. I would be fine sending a 2nd and conditional 3rd in 2018 if Hue deems him a fit. I'm not sold either way personally - I want to build and vastly upgrade our defense in this draft. I just don't see the logic of JG being WORSE than when he was drafted is all - no offense intended to anyone. I will also say, god help me, I still like Kessler (no throwing things at me ).
...the following was listed as a weakness "Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms."
This analysis was made based on his play in the Ohio Valley Conference, thus the level of competition Garoppolo played against in college vs the NFL should be considered.
The Browns have had a terrible record for keeping their QBs healthy and if those in charge do not address the issues (that they created), Garoppolo, QBing the Browns offense in 2017, could be short-lived.
I don't have a problem with acquiring Garoppolo as long as THE PRICE IS FAIR. He is not worth Bradford type compensation (1st & 4th round)..that should be a non starter for the Browns front office.
The Browns front office needs to protect their hard earned draft picks by not giving them away to the Patriots. The Browns, 2017 1st and 2nd round picks should be protected and off limits in trade talks.
The number 65 pick is listed as the Browns 1st pick in the 3rd round and has the value of a late 2nd round pick. That pick plus a "conditional pick" in the range of a 4th to 2nd round pick in 2018, would be a decent trade, imo.
There is another option the Browns might have...trade their #1 pick and use some of those draft picks to complete a trade for JG.
I'm not against acquiring Garopolo..I'm against a deal that is too risky and too expensive, especially in draft value.
The Browns paid a "historic high price" for these 2017 draft picks and their value to the franchise should not be underestimated..they are the building blocks of the future.
One last item..if the Browns make a deal for Garoppolo, don't let that change the plan to draft a QB in the 2017 draft. If Garoppolo is not the answer, drafting a QB such as DeShone Kizer, would be a great backup plan, imo.
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There are a lot of things to like about Webb.
Then there's the flip side...I'm not sure whether he knows in advance where he's going with some of this throws or just makes terrible decisions, but there are too many of these. If this can be fixed, I'd be up for him mid to late. The guy reminds me a bit of Derek Anderson. That's both good and bad, but if DA was handled a little better here, he may have still been the starter.
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Three options:
Make the trade and play him. Then look to sign after a year.
Make the trade and sign him to a contract as part of the trade.
Make the trade play him for a year and then franchise him. Which gives you two years to sign him to a long term deal.
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