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Thanks for the read Vambo .... I take it with a grain of salt because at this stage it's all honeymoon and media b.s

But - at the same time it made me smile and it makes me eager to see the change that he affects. He seems anything but a phony. And if even 10% of the number of players he says call him - I think that's a tremendous endorsement. As is being able to count Saban and Belichick as friends: two coaches I don't much like but think are at an elite level at what they do.

This makes quite a bit of sense and fits in to the larger picture.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ramping up of Analytics wasn't meant to be system that took over for the Scouts, a system where you push a bunch of flashing buttons and the Bat Computer spits out a punch card telling you who to draft. From my understanding it was primarily about 2 things:

1) removing a degree of the subjectivity and guesswork in Scouting in order to mitigate the risk that your Pick will end up a bust. By quantifying the traits you see in successful players you make the process more efficient in identifying those players... which leads me to...

2) it also is meant to broaden the pool form which you find certain players. It's what allows us to find a guy like Devalve instead of having to spend a 4th Rd pick or higher for someone of similar talent level. It also I presume helps us identify waiver wire type players that are worth a look such as Boddy-Calhoun, Cam Johnson, Holmes, Reynolds etc. It remains to be seen if any of those guys can become legit starters for us, but I don't know there would be many people who would disagree with me when I say that all of those guys did look fairly impressive in some of their opportunities.

This all brings me back to Williams vs. Horton. Having someone more flexible helps maximize the talent our scouting machine discovers.

I would think Dawgs that have a BPA Draft philosophy would be behind this.

We can say its for whatever reason but we all know Horton ticked Hue off by having guys be lazy with their tackling. It was the first thing he wanted to see improved when he talked about why he fired Horton. It's also something that Gregg talked a lot about in his presser. I agree with both of them on this issue. Tackling was atrocious last season and it was bad the last time Horton was here too!

And neither one of knows if he will be successful doing that or not?



The reasons might also be disbelieved by some, but that does not make them correct either. It goes both ways bro



I believe it's been 16 years buddy I also believe we have been on the same page about all the changes and firings for 16 years as well.



If you notice I never said I was for or against firing Horton, or Hiring Williams. Not one single time did I say I liked or didn't like the move. As always I will let it play out then make my choice if it turns out to be a good move or a bad move down the road. All I did was let folks know why the move was made. Not if it was good or bad, or if I agreed or disagreed with it.

That's what the organization is thinking. Now will it work out or not? Only time will tell. Stay tuned the next few years as we all watch our favorite soap opera. "As the Browns turn"

Who do you want?

trumaine johnson

+1 - I hope Williams gives us the inside track on potentially acquiring him in terms of familiarity.

Johnson, Taylor, Calhoun, Haden and a rookie* would be a much improved core group.

* - TBC

That is exactly what I am pining for with either tankersly or white. Though I hope we only keep haden if he restructures. His cap hit is more than Johnsons would be and at this point johnson is FAR superior.

That one definitely needs a link.

I posted an article that said that Hue wanted Horton. Thus, I need to see that Hue wanted Williams.

Sorry man, but w/out a link, it appears deceiving as hell.

i am hoping for Garrett at #1 and move up if we have to, to get Hooker...then go all in to get Gilmore CB from to Bills as he is a FA I do believe...I like the sound of that

It is quite obvious that Hue prefers Williams over Horton.

If that happened I would be one happy Browns fan. Garret and Hooker would almost make me not care about the rest of the draft ... well obviously I would care and be hopeful we add even more talent. But a top CB in FA's and those two draft picks would elevate the D by a quantum measure. . . . I can probably get behind whatever draft day scenario might come up with the FO.... but man I hope they do not over think this or get cute. I still don't have an issue with the trade down last year and passing on Wentz - and I think Wentz looks like a legit Franchise QB in the making.... This year with D needing so much help and so much depth in the draft ... Garret / Hooker would be heaven.

I am not saying you should. However, I think I am well w/in my right to question what you say. I searched and searched and searched and could not find a thing.

Thus, if I wanna question your claim.........I think I have every right to do so. You are not some God who can't be questioned.

Stop making crap up if you don't want to be questioned.

j/c



I remember hearing or reading Tab's claim somewhere. Maybe on the net, maybe in a bar, maybe in my sleep...don't remember and don't care.

When you hire a replacement/new guy the same day you fire a guy...it's pretty obvious that you've had your eye on the new guy for awhile. I think that is the point.

That pretty much says it all....

You start w/this:



and end w/this:



Again, I am sorry you don't like to be questioned. However, I believe that if Hue had asked the Rams for permission to talk to Williams and was denied, that there would be an article about it somewhere.

I don't care if you don't like me. I don't like you, either. I really don't like how you make things up to win some stupid debate on a message board.

I actually provided an article that showed Hue wanted Horton. I didn't just make it up.

“From an attitude standpoint, they’re never going to play for anybody that’s going to let them play more attacking, more physical, more aggressive than me. I’ll back them up,” he said. “I’ve only coached two or three guys in the league that I’ve ever had to put my hand on and back up. My whole life I’ve been trying to speed up your decisions and speed up your toughness and get you to play harder, get you to play tougher, get you to play meaner, and so that will be the way.”


- See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/g...h.Umr1BpWy.dpuf

I have been missing this kind of football...

You just don't get...

smh...

Gregg Williams praises Jamie Collins, expects Browns to be busy in free agency

Posted by Zac Jackson on January 26, 2017, 7:54 PM EST
ST. LOUIS, MO - AUGUST 8: St. Louis Rams Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams watches warmups prior to preseason game against the New Orleans Saints at the Edward Jones Dome on August 8, 2014 in St. Louis, Missouri. (Photo by Michael B. Thomas/Getty Images)
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New Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has high praise for linebacker Jamie Collins, who signed a new deal with the team this week, and thinks the team will be “aggressive” in adding pieces when free agency opens in March.

Williams and the Browns staff are coaching in this week’s Senior Bowl, and in an interview with 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland Williams said Collins is a special talent and an important piece.

“The players want to see that we get it as an organization, as a staff, as a personnel department keeping the best guys,” Williams said. “Unless there are problems off the field, why don’t you work hard to keep your own guys? This is a great message to the locker room. Guys respect Jamie.

“I’m a better coach when I have players like that. He may be one of the better players I’ve had a chance to coach for a long time. I can’t wait to get a chance to coach him. I’m so excited about signing him.”

The Browns acquired Collins in a trade with the Patriots just before last season’s trade deadline, and having him signed six weeks before free agency opens is a sign the Browns prioritized keeping him. Thursday, Williams said he expects that to be just the first of a bunch of moves the Browns make in an effort to improve. They also hold the No. 1 pick and No. 12 pick in the first round of this year’s draft.

“One of the things [Browns owner] Jimmy Haslam and [head coach] Hue Jackson and I talked about when we sat and talked about this going into this venture together is we were going to be aggressive not only in scheme but in personnel too,” Williams said. “We have to do a good job in everything from coaching to playing to acquiring personnel and I’d be shocked if we weren’t aggressive in doing that.

“I’ve been very impressed with some of the people doing the evaluations too. We’ll get into that. I really haven’t had much time to get into that so far but we’ll get into that over the next couple of weeks.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...in-free-agency/

if they talked about being aggressive in acquiring personal when they first sat down together...hmmm sounds like we might be making a push to make a real jump this year?...why not we have to cap to spend on it...

I am still on board with Garrett, then move up if needed to get Hooker and go all in on getting Gilmore CB from the Bills

who will be an actual FA that will be worth being "aggressive" for?

The Giants can't afford Johnathan Hankins, so he's a start. Trumaine Johnson is another guy.

A.J. Bouye CB
Eric Berry S
Terron Armstead if we think he could play RT, until Joe retires.
Ryan Schraeder RT
Kevin Zeitler G

j/c -

Some interesting dynamics this off season and next:

- Huge cap space which in theory lets the team make a splash in free agency.

- FO philosophy that appears to be build through the draft

- FO philosophy that is about player character

- FO philosophy to resign your own (maybe that should be 'their own' since Mack, Shwartz, Gipson, Benji and Travis all departed last year) ..... not sure which core players will need to be resigned next off-season and the one after?

- A lot of draft picks this year - probably too many to reasonably expect to keep them all and then keep all the players you draft .... so expecting a lot of trades come draft day (or sooner)

- Jimmy Garoppolo - possible answer to the QB question, would eat up a large part of the cap space when we sign him to a long term deal.

Cap space only matters if you actually use it.

If the Collins deal is any indication of our FOs ability to hammer out a contract that's good for the player and the team. I say go ahead and find 3-4 above average FAs and lock them up for 4 years.

Even if you have to overspend now, by the time the contract is over they are easily cuttable if you have to..

Signing 4 FAs, say the best G/RT, a CB, DL, and a WR..

Would then allow us to go strictly BPA in the draft, and give us the flexibility to move up, or move some mid round picks back to 2018 at a higher round.

The key to all of this mattering, to me, is getting Jimmy G. He is best QB that appears to be available.

My plan:

Bump up the Defense and Oline via FA.
Add a solid WR in FA. Resign/Tag Pryor.
Acquire Jimmy G (#33)
Draft Garrett at #1
Draft BPA/Trade down #12

I think you could see a significant jump in this coming season alone. Not too mention 2-4 years from now.

Disagree. I think cap space only matters if you want to use it and don't have it.

John Elway disagrees with you.

When did they not have cap space?

Who doesn't have cap space?

97-98. If you ask Al Davis.

Not to get in the middle of a which came first topic.

I think it is safe to say that there are times you want to hold on to your money, and there are times you want to spend your money.

We have been in a hold mode for a while. It might be time to spend some to get a few holes plugged.

Williams met with both Jimmy and Hue before he took the job. He said something in one of his interviews about he expects us to be aggressive in free agency. I think that is a vital clue. I don't think he would have said that unless the topic came up and was told we would be looking at trying to sign a few free agent players. We are still going to try to make those signing fit into the framework of what it is we are trying to do. We aren't going to go willy-nilly, but are still going to try to sign a few players. Some of that will be to extend a few of our current players.

We have to remember, this past season was a season where we were evaluating our roster. Now we know what we have and don't have. I feel sure we are going to try to get a few players in free agency. Plugging a few holes, no matter the position sure makes drafting a little easier. Not that you totally abandon BPA, but you sure don't feel pressured in to drafting for need. We saw that last year. We went in to the draft knowing we had to target the WR position, and what did we do?

I would expect maybe a couple of FA's (DL, secondary), but I would be very surprised if it was more than 2 top-level guys...

It may not even be top level guys. I'd be good with good players. Just fill some holes with good players who can help the next 4 years or until one of our drafted players can beat them out.

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

Lol, to which aspect of that are you referring?
Not watching tape on players he's seen at the Senior Bowl, or Haslam's presence?

It was mostly about Williams not wanting to watch tape, but in reality, it's all of it.

I'm getting a funny feeling about what is going on w/the Browns. It's similar to the feeling I got about The Big Show and w/the dysfunction the Browns had when Farmer was there.

Something is off. It's just a feeling I have. We'll see.