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Deputy, that could be said about other players we've had here too. We've had a lack of talent no doubt but we've also had some bad coaching. Not many players ever improved much while they were here.

That is probably the most reasosnable post on the subject as it relates to compensation, but I don't think the Pats would bite. Mainly because the Jets, Bears etc.....one of these teams will offer a 2nd rounder this year. I don't think it will cost the Browns a 1st round pick, because much like eotab mentioned GMs view these picks as gold this time of year and I personally doubt the Jets, Bears, etc are going to give up a top 10 pick.

I think your scenerio is the "fairest" trade for both teams in that it offers protection for the Browns and potential big reward for the Pats. I just don't think the Pats would go for it, because they will get better offers. If the Browns want Jimmy it's more than likely going to cost them #33 and something conditional next year.

I like the guy and am not opposed to doing this, but we better make real sure he's the guy because we are tying our wagons to him for the foreseeable future if we do. Of course the same thing could be said about any QB drafted at #33 as well.

Having 12 offsets 33 in a big way.

This is the year to take a shot at a Garoppolo.

It is indeed a gamble, but then again, drafting a qb in round one is big gamble, because we will be married to that guy for three years. That means he is given extra chances even if he stinks. It also means passing on other qbs in the next 3 drafts. That last part scares me more than anything.

Yeah...either way your tying yourself to a guy (mainly this FO/coaching staff). If he fails so does your regime. I honestly don't think the Browns will look at a QB in round 1, but if a guy like Watson fell to 33 I believe Hue would pound the table to get him.

With that said I would prefer Jimmy over Watson every day of the week....and I do think 33 (plus conditionals for next year) can get this done. The only team that might offer a 1st is the Broncos or Texans, and with Romo available for much cheaper and the RO contract I think that is a long shot imo.

Tabber makes a good point about GMs valuing picks this late in the draft process, and I just can't see a team offering a 1st.....but I very well could be wrong.

I agree. I don't mind a 2nd rounder. I'd start with a 3rd and 4th rounder. That way we could still draft a QB next year if we wanted and let him sit a few years.

I am personally starting to lean towards Mahones later on but reading around he's now being projected as a Day 2 pick, possibly early on. I would like to see us trade for Garropolo if we can *only* burn a 2nd this year and a conditional next.

I do like Mahones the more I watch - it's dangerous though as you start to ignore the bad and concentrate on the good, confirmation bias in full effect. He's a guy you could mould, IMHO. Apologies for the slight off topic.

I believe there is only 2 real viable QB options for 2017. Trade for Jimmy G. Or if Buffalo cuts Tyrod Taylor sign him as a free agent. I just do not see any franchise QB's in this draft.

Looking forward I see 3 that will be coming out in the next few years.

Sam Darnold USC
Josh Rosen UCLA
Jacob Eason Georgia

Get either Garrapolo or Taylor if they do not pan out go all out for one of the 3 listed below in eithr 2018 or 2019.

I think a lot of posters are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment, with this pipe dream.

JM2Cents

We don't need to do anything for next year. Trade #33 and possible one of our 4th round picks and be done with it.

#33 is like a 1st rounder. You get the night to sit on it and shop the heck out of it.


How about our #12 pick for JG, the Pats 2nd rounder, and their 1st rounder next year.

Can they throw Gronk in, too?

Haha!!

No it doesn't. It may mean not taking one in the first round, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't take one in the second or lower.

I honestly would not be against Signing Romo and Drafting Watson. Let Watson sit behind Romo for a few years.

I also would not be against signing Tyrod Taylor or trading for Jimmy G.

We need to spend some FA money though, there are some good players to be had....take a shot at Eric Berry for sure, that guy is a difference maker....

Agreed. ...of all years to have the number one overall. Sigh.

Mary Kay, is there anything you don't know?? Only pasting the Garoppolo part . . .

Browns buzz on Jimmy Garoppolo, Deshaun Watson and Mitch Trubisky at the Senior Bowl

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
February 01, 2017 at 10:18 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- With Senior Bowl week teeming with NFL scouts, coaches and general managers, there's always plenty of buzz in Mobile, Ala. about the draft, free agency and trades.

Last week, when Hue Jackson and his staff spent the week coaching the South team, was no different. Here's some of what we heard about the Browns' quarterback situation:

1. Jackson is responsible for finding a starting QB

Jackson repeatedly referred to "his job'' of finding a quarterback of the future, and he will be the point man on this task. Sources say he wasn't as all in on the pick of Cody Kessler as he made it seem last when he said "trust me.'' This year, the QB buck will stop at his desk.

"I came here to coach that position and get it better, and I plan on doing that,'' he said. "I've been doing this for a long time and I'll put a quarterback on this football team that can win. That's my job. We're going to do it collectively as a group. But hopefully we're going to lean on my expertise and what I need at that position to win."

2. The Browns will make a pitch for Jimmy Garoppolo

Sources say the Browns' interest in Garoppolo is real and that they'll try to trade for him depending on how their draft evaluations go over the next five weeks or so.

If the Browns decide to draft Mitch Trubisky or Deshaun Watson in the first round, they'll be much less likely to pursue the Patriots' backup -- but wouldn't rule it out.

But they'll have competition for Garoppolo that will drive up the price. Falcons offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan liked him coming out of the draft, and might pursue a deal once he formally becomes the 49ers' head coach.

The 49ers have the No. 2 pick in the draft, and are also looking for a quarterback.

But the Browns are intrigued, sources say, and they'll strongly consider it. The cost could be the No. 12 overall pick and more.

People who think that any good/excelent QB would come to Cleveland on his own free will, must do a reality check fast.

If JG thinks he is a good QB, nowhere in his life would he agree to play for the Browns, so if he signs the only reason is to collect a fat check and prepare for early retirement.

If we don't want to draft the QB of the future, the logic is to first improve the team, be competitive and then trade for the veteran QB.

Jimmy G. is a pretty humble man. He will want to go most where he feels he can make a difference and will be wanted. After a talk with Hue he will love being in Cleveland.

IMHO, doesn't make any sense to trade for a QB in a rebuilding year, the only thing we would acomplish is to hurt the guy.

If we are not drafting the QB, then just play the ones we have, maybe draft a prospect in the 4th.

Trading for JG would be a panic move from Hue, and panic moves never work.

Do you know him personally?

There are several QB needy teams that should be on his list before Cleveland.

Hue Jackson outlines the traits Browns want from young QBs

Posted 2 hours ago

Patrick MaksStaff WriterTwitter




'At the end of the day, the guy needs to be able to process football and arm talent'



The way Hue Jackson and the Browns will evaluate the quarterbacks in this year’s draft class hasn’t changed. But the context of how they’ll approach such a dynamic is different than it was a year ago.


“I don't know that the process will change,” Jackson told reporters last week at the Senior Bowl, “(but) how I see it is different because I know our team better. I know what’s on our football team. I better know how to play off of that to know what's best for us.”


After a 1-15 season that watched injuries to Robert Griffin III, Josh McCown and Cody Kessler further instability at the position, it’s unclear where the Browns go from here.


But both Jackson and executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said Cleveland has yet to establish “the guy” at quarterback and will survey all options this offseason when it comes to addressing the situation.


“Until you can do that do I think we can make the next jump,” Jackson said. “So I think that's what we’re trying to do. It’s going to be a great offseason. We have free agency, we have the draft coming. There's gonna be a lot of opportunity for us to evaluate and make good decisions about what to do for our football team.”


This past week down in Mobile, Alabama, Jackson and Co. got to work with some of the nation’s top players, including a handful of quarterbacks on the South roster in Tennessee’s Joshua Dobbs, California’s Davis Webb and Tiffin’s Antonio Pipkin, all of whom are projected to be late-round draft picks.


The Browns, owners of the first and 12th overall picks and five of the top 65 selections, are positioned to scoop up one of this year’s top signal-callers -- be it North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky, Clemson’s Deshaun Watson or Notre Dame’s Deshone Kizer -- if they choose that path toward addressing the quarterback position. Asked if this year’s draft class could bear a solution at the position, Jackson said he didn't want "to get pigeonholed into just one way."


"I think there's a lot of different ways it could come as we continue to move forward," he said. "Again, it’s about the evaluation, it’s about the right profile, it’s about what we’re looking for, it’s about how that position needs to play.”


And regardless of the path, Jackson said the Browns haven’t lost sight in the traits they desire in their signal-callers.


“I still think at the end of the day, the guy needs to be able to process football and arm talent,” he said. “I think that’s really important, especially in our division, and everything in my mind goes through our division because we play in a lot of different elements and we think we have one of the better divisions in football.


“You can't stand in there in the snow and the elements and throw the ball and it’s tough if you can't process information because the defenses are so good — Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati — it’s hard to play. Those are things that are non-negotiable for me.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/...8-46a9df781f81

If I am the pats, I would say, u get 31 or 32 and Jimmy, we get that #12 pick. I think that might be the best deal for both teams.

If they feel JG is franchise material. Then I could pull the trigger on that as much as I hate losing that 12 pick

We can always pacakzge 32 and 33 and move up

This team couldn't even check Manziel off-field issues, or get any talent form a buch of picks last year.

If trading for JG is the dumbest thing to do, I don't know but next year I know he will be a Browns player

Different front office.

(Same owner though.)

No but I have been following him for years now and watched a LOT of interviews done by him. It's just my opinion based on what I have seen him say.

He seems like a good guy but he's also going to want to go where he has a chance to win if that is an option..

It's true he might. I won't deny that since anyone would. Still he really likes to take on a challenge so he might enjoy being the Hero who steps in to save the day like he did in college. I'm telling you the fans will love him to death in Cleveland. Especially when we get to watch a QB with real talent and intelligence for a change.

Sounds like Hue has some interest in him so I am starting to get my hopes up =)

Starting? You have been deifying him for two months.

LOL! Just cause I want him doesn't mean I expect it to happen. Hell, usually when I want a good player that means there is no way we go after him. The only real exception to that was when we drafted Joe Thomas.

You forget professional athletes have egos, and those egos often make them think they can do anything...even lead a poor team to playoffs/championships.

And then there's the $70m (or whatever it will be).

J/c

Its going to be interesting to see what happens if the Browns don't trade for Jimmy G.

I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of wrath turned in the direction of the FO and whomever is the starting QB if its not Jimmy G.

Browns still interested in Garoppolo, but at what price?

By Nick Shook NFL.com Published...7 at 01:39 p.m.

The Jimmy Garoppolo-to-Cleveland rumors aren't going away any time soon.

Just months after completing an in-season deal for linebacker Jamie Collins, the Browns remain linked to the Patriots in trade talks for the backup quarterback. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday that "the interest in Garoppolo is real," but there are some uncertainties.

"We do not know whether or not they will strike a deal for that, how willing the Patriots would be to actually part with someone who would be their backup next year and their big-time insurance policy in case Tom Brady ever gets injured," Rapoport reported.

In Cleveland, this potential trade has been all the rage since before the regular season ended. The hottest savior is always the newest. But Rapoport makes a good point in that this might not be a deal the Patriots are all that eager to make, unless they get an offer they simple can't refuse.

Leverage advantage: Browns. Right? Well, not for a team starving for reliability under center. Consider Cleveland's quarterback situation. Long in dire straits with a few supposed messiahs (Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel, heck, even Charlie Frye) arriving only to flame out, this has long been a need that continues to go unaddressed. Any young, capable quarterback who is available should and will inevitably be linked to the Browns, who never seem to have one of their own.

But Tom Brady is 39 years old, and while he wants to play in the same fashion Cleveland Cavaliers guard J.R. Smith wants to shoot -- until his arm falls off -- you can't run from the calendar. If the Patriots truly thought so highly of the backup, why would they consider dealing him away with the twilight of Brady's career barreling down on them?

New England drafted Garoppolo with an eye on the future, and with Garoppolo's free agency looming, is now nearing a difficult spot with the supposed heir apparent. The Patriots could reach 2018 with Garoppolo not under contract and fielding lucrative offers from other franchises with plenty of salary-cap space (Cleveland being one of them), risking an empty-handed divorce much like Denver saw Brock Osweiler walk away. The Broncos, so far, proved to be the winners in that breakup, saving the gobs of money Houston spent on Osweiler, but also enter 2017 with some uncertainty under center.

Could New England end up in a similar situation? At that point, it makes more sense to deal Garoppolo and get something for him -- a first round pick (of which Cleveland owns two in the upcoming draft), perhaps -- than risk him walking.

Rapoport added that if the price becomes too high, Cleveland could explore other options, most notably Cincinnati's AJ McCarron, who showed promise under Hue Jackson's tutelage when the Browns head coach was the offensive coordinator along the Ohio River. The sticker number for McCarron would undoubtedly be less, and Jackson will know what he's getting. Rapoport said he wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns look at McCarron instead. Considering everything covered above, that might make the most sense for Cleveland, even after needing time to wash off the grime of an in-division trade.

NFL Philosophy @NFLosophy
Brady: "I heard you're getting traded to the Browns."

Jimmy: "Man, don't make me go."

Brissett: "Don't ruin this for me, JG."

https://twitter.com/marcsesslernfl/status/826928252166012928 …
3:09 PM - 1 Feb 2017

saw this on the bleacher report and it made me laugh outloud...thought I would share

Why the Browns should draft a QB, not trade for Jimmy Garoppolo

Cameron DaSilva @camdasilva Feb 1, 2017 at 9:35a ET

You’ve heard it before and you’ll hear it again: The Cleveland Browns need a quarterback. They’ve started 26 different players at the position since 1999, showing just how futile that franchise has been the past decade-plus.

The Browns may have their eyes set on No. 27, but he wouldn’t be their best option. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, they’re interested in trading for Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, who’s in position to potentially win his second Super Bowl ring as Tom Brady’s backup. It’s not a terrible idea, considering their desperate need for a quarterback and the Patriots’ apparent lack of need for his services with Brady playing at a high level, but there are better options out there.

nstead of trading for Garoppolo, the Browns should simply draft a quarterback – and I say “simply” half-heartedly, knowing how poorly the Browns have drafted in recent years.

Cleveland holds the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, as well as the 12th pick. They also hold two second-round picks, giving them four selections in the top 52. That’s a huge advantage for the Browns, and it gives them several opportunities to take a quarterback. Their best chance to take the one of their choosing will obviously be at No. 1, and they may go that route.

Mitch Trubisky, DeShone Kizer and Deshaun Watson will all be options at the top of the draft with at least one of them likely to fall to No. 12. They boast different skill sets and different ceilings of potential, which is actually a good thing. Trubisky can be a traditional pocket passer, while Kizer is more of a dual-threat option. Watson can be a Marcus Mariota-type player with the right guidance, giving the Browns three good options at the top.

All three quarterbacks would be better than trading a first-round pick for Garoppolo, and this is why. With a first-round pick, you gain a fifth-year option on that player. Essentially, that guarantees you the chance to keep him on the roster for five years at a relatively low cost. By comparison, Jared Goff signed a four-year, $27.9 million contract with the Rams last offseason. The Saints picked Sheldon Rankins at No. 12, and signed him to a four-year, $12.8 million deal with a fifth-year option.

Because of the league’s CBA, rookie contracts are manageable and don’t put massive dents in the salary cap. That won’t be the case for Garoppolo. Sure, his cap hit will only be $1.1 million in 2017, but that’s the last year of his contract. After that, it’ll be up to the Browns to sign him long-term.

At most, Garoppolo will have 18 regular-season starts under his belt. What if he has a decent season, but doesn’t blow anyone away? Is that really a player you want to sign to a Brock Osweiler-like contract – a four-year, $72 million deal? Probably not, because he’d still be relatively unproven. The Browns would have the cap space to make that contract happen, but it’s not something they should do.

Let’s do a quick comparison. Say the Browns do trade the No. 12 overall pick for Garoppolo. He’ll cost them $1.1 million in 2017, and for argument’s sake, let’s say he signs the same contract Osweiler did but with even more guaranteed ($40 million) – because, well, he’s better than Osweiler at this point. That would put the Browns on the hook for $41.1 million over five years, at minimum with it being likely they sign him to a larger deal than even that one.

If they draft a quarterback at No. 12 – which is the more likely scenario with Myles Garrett looking like a solid option at No. 1 – it’ll put them on the hook for around $13 million for the first four years, and about another $10 million in the fifth – considering the 2013 fifth-year option for the 12th overall pick was about $8 million.

So what would the Browns rather do? Pay $41.1 million for a relatively unproven quarterback and lose a first-round pick in doing so? Or potentially pay one $23 million for five years, or $13 million for four years, if he doesn’t pan out?

As important as quarterbacks are, there’s no guarantee Garoppolo will be a franchise-altering guy. And that decision will have to be expedited in Garoppolo’s situation because his contract expires at the end of next season.

By drafting adding a dominant defender like Myles Garrett at No. 1 and a quarterback at No. 12, the Browns will be saving money long-term and still add two young playmakers with a chance to change the course of the franchise. And this is all assuming the Browns take a quarterback in the first round, whereas they could opt to wait and try to find their Derek Carr, Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott in the subsequent rounds.

This all hinges on the asking price for Garoppolo, but all indications point to him being worth at least a second-round pick, and likely more than that.

from what I have been reading they are asking for a 1st min. for JG.

too rich for my blood. for a guy who is as of yet unproven at the starting position.

I would like Garrett at 1 and Hooker at 12 if he is still there.

I would also like us to chase the CB from the Bills Gilmore (prolly won't get him) but would to try darn hard to do it.

there are other QB's we could chase in FA or draft one in the second round.

Based on history the FO is damned if they do and damned if they don't in most cases.

I personally don't see any reason for anyone to be angry if we don't sign him.... maybe if another team got Jimmy for something like a 3rd round pick we'd all be left thinking why didn't the Browns do that. But I think thats an almost impossible scenario.

I am leaning firmly in the camp that wants Jimmy to be our QB next year. I think the potential of two difference makers at #1 and #12 and Jimmy at QB propels the Browns into a potentially .500 team next year. At one time I was all about keeping #33 - but I am willing to part with that and a combination of mid round picks to get Jimmy, including a 2nd rounder next year.

I really want to keep the #12 because there is so much talent still at that spot in this years draft. I think you can go such a long way to fix the D with Garret and a top secondary pick.

Tuesday evening, Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer was the latest person to post some rumors regarding the Cleveland Browns’ quarterback situation. Through her sources, her report touched on just about all of the possibilities out there. Here is a quick recap:

After evaluating the rookie class over the next month, the Browns will decide whether they will “make a pitch” for acquiring Patriots QB Jimmy Garoppolo. What Cleveland is willing to give up, or what the Patriots are willing to accept, remains to be seen.
At the Senior Bowl, Cabot says she talked to one general manager, one director of player personnel, and one offensive coordinator who each said they would select QB Deshaun Watson at No. 1 overall. Cabot personally does not feel like the Browns are convinced he is worth that yet, and she notes that Mitch Trubisky could be gaining some momentum. However, a report about his height being closer to 6-1 rather than 6-3 might end up sinking his value.

Lastly, we have a nugget regarding one of the Browns’ current quarterbacks on the roster, Cody Kessler:
Sources say he wasn't as all in on the pick of Cody Kessler as he made it seem last when he said "trust me.''

I think it makes sense for the Browns to try to make Garoppolo their long-term answer, but try is the key word. It all depends on what the trade package involves, and right now, I think it’s very difficult to guess what New England would settle for.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/1/31/1...ns-qb-situation

I am only putting this up here because of the nugget about Hue and Kessler.
I thought it was very interesting if true...

Based on past history, the Browns will be applauded for whatever move they make by the majority of posters on this board.

How's that, 888?

I am not saying I am correct, but I think that Jimmy G is a better qb than any qb in the draft.

Thus, if someone is willing to spend a first round pick on one of those qbs, I don't see the problem w/spending one on Jimmy G.

Now, some people might think the draft eligible qbs are better. That's fine and I respect that.

However, considering that I believe that Jimmy G is a far better qb than any of those qbs, I don't think I should take any grief for not minding if we spend a first round pick on Jimmy G.

Just sayin'....