DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Anybody hope we lose out?!?!?!

I DO!

I WANT JOE THOMAS!

As much as I don't want to lose out and will be hoping for a victory every week. It will actually benefit us because we may be able to fill up the hole in which I think is most important.

Then in the 2nd round get a DE/NT, unless a damn good CB drops that has a great upside. If not select a DB or another OL (guard) in round 3. LB/RB/CB/OL throughout the rest of the draft. I would say not to worry about Wide Receivers because I think Jurevicius has proved he is an essential part of the team and they will use him more the rest of this season as well as the next. Northcutt will thankfully be out of Cleveland at the beginning of next season! I think Cribbs may get a shot at playing some receiver next season and the organization may have something up their sleeve with Travis Wilson. We haven't seen him this year, but he may be another redshirt draft pick like Sowells that they have high expectations out of.

There is def. going to be a QB controversy next season though. When Andeson gets 274 yards with his receivers (most notably Northcutt) drops so many passes in that game it's a little bit of a success for him. I think he is more fundamentally sound than Frye, but Frye has more mobility and he seems to be more passionate, and possess more leadership qualities.

I can't wait for the draft though! This season has been such a disappointment for me. I really thought we would see some great things out of Frye and Edwards. While each has added their share of great plays, there is a lot of work to do with both of them. Winslow has proven that he can be the face of this team, but with his mouth, do we really want that.

In this draft, we have to get players that can come in and play right away. Who is most NFL ready. If we don't then what changes have we made? We need Thomas to play LT to shake up the O-Line and get Coleman out of there. This would allow us to move Shaeffer somewhere else we he may be a better fit. It would be great to get Bentley back and let him be his pro-bowl guard self again while keeping Fraley in the middle. Hopefully Ted's age doesnt get the best of him and he can play next season so there is one position if we draft say Alan Branch that can wait a year and he can go through the learning process, but if we draft him we wont have Thomas! Thomas has to be our #1 priority going into the draft.

BY THE WAY I HATE NORTHCUTT.

Sorry for my ramble

Not me.

Thats BS... The controversy already started... That happened the second Anderson took his first snap... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

I just hope we beat Baltimore and TB.

I feel it gives us the best opportunity to address what we need to address in the off-season.

If we do lose out then I want them to all be close games where the team shows improvement. I don't want to see them get beat like these last two debacles against the Bengals and the Steelers.

Please everyone though, I am not wishing failure upon the Browns for the rest of the season, but the season is over and it's been a disaster. We all know how much we would love to see Joe Thomas at LT next season.

If the Browns win some games on the way out this season I will be extremely happy, but if they lose, as hurt I would be that our season ended in the manner it did, I can look forward to the draft knowing we have the 1-4 pick and a better chance at landing Joe Thomas.

WRONG!!!!


We need to win.


What'sthe formula for drafting quality players that aren't "busts".

DON'T DRAFT HIGH!

That's what people said last year, and the year before that, and they year before that, and the year before......Hmmmm.

Yeah, it's worked out real well so far. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Never.

[color:"white"] Absolutely not. Winning is more important than draft position, no matter who you think they could get. [/color]

Losing out has served us well in the past ........ <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Ya, sorry man. This isn't a "Lebron James" Situation.

That is the ONLY time, I have ever, ever in my life, seen a team be smart by trying to lose. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Why do you think it would be the best for the team? Something in the past that has shown you that?

Courtney Brown?
Warren?
How about Edwards or Winslow.?


Yeah that's worked in the past. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

I don't want to lose out.... Anything we can win..just do it. Any victory will tell us something about our team and players. We've played a very tough schedule and some good teams. We've beaten two teams that are in the playoff hunt. That tells me we are not all bad and that we've moved beyond the "Expansion" label. Anyone we can beat, gives us a view of what we need to do and who we can build on.

At the start of the season...I thought we'd beat the Saints (1), Baltimore one game (2), Tennessee (3), Oakland (4) and Houston (5)...with a possible upset of the Jets (6)...for a 6 - 10 season.... We substituted Atlanta for the Saints and added KC for an unexpected upset.... Plus we still have one game left against the Ravens... even though they are playing far better than I thought they would... <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Overall, the season is coming out very similar to the way I thought it would...

We haven't done as well against the "Power" teams as I thought...due to our O-Line/D-Line problems. But we did better against the finess teams that I thought we would. The more we win, the more we can find out about who is servicable for our base and what we need to draft NOW...

I would love to draft Thomas or Peterson, but I think the knowledge gained from playing well and getting a few more victories would serve us better than moving us up the draft board. This years draft doesn't look too deep for QB or the skill positions, but O-Line (our glaring need) is one of the deeper points in the draft...

To quote Billy Packer...."Just win ....Babyeeee....."

<img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />utting on my kevlar vest before I post: I hate to admit it but a little kernel of my brain secretly hopes that we do ,lose out. I want REGIEME change....losing out accelerates the wheels of change. Conversely I hate the way I feel after a Browns loss.....heck I don't know what I want....anyone got a midol? <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

No Midol sorry..

But pragmatically, we'll most likely lose on the road to baltiwhore, have a decent chance to win at home against Tampa Bay who are 0 - 6 on the road. Then, it's prolly even against Houston.

The thing that bothers the hell out of me is that we are winless in the division and 2 - 5 at home. Grrr...

Man U keep tempting me to say something..U left yourself wide open..
The only way Rac is canned is if he loses the team..not if the team loses competively..now if they get demolished like last nite every week..
But they just may lost the rest of the way..while it won't cause a cahnge in the staff it WILL cause a change of players..bank on that.
The ones who are plaing like crap will be disgarded like crap.

I DO NOT want a regime change.

2 years is not enough to take what we had and turn it into something. The defense, believe it or not is well on their way to being a great D, our offense has been poor but we only put band aids on it while we built the D, because "Defense wins championships".

This offseason we will start to fill in hole on the offense.

This all takes time. We knew it was 3-4 years. And I think most will agree we are surprised with the play of the defense, in games when the offense is competent.

And no I don't want to lose out for drafting either, you play to win no matter what, and take the draft you have in front of you. picks 1-5 aren't guaranteed successes either. For that matter, no draft pick is a guaranteed success.

LOL so we agree to disagree. However you're delusional if you think our d is "well on its way to becoming a great d" perhaps you didn't see Mr. Parkers record setting performance last night.... and thanks for your Stephen Hawkling like analysis of the point that no draft pick is a sure thing. A lil' ole gal like me has trouble comprehending those things! <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

A friend of mine described our defensive strategy last night perfectly...


I will always cheer for a Browns win....regardless of draft implications.

I disagree that we need or want a regimine change. I do agree, our defense was EXPOSED, last night. The Steelers O-line, slapped us around, and blew us off the ball all game long.

BTW, this thread makes me re-think Jaft's stance, from the smack shaq! <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

This young team needs to learn what it take to win in the NFL, and the only way they can learn is to start winning,

winning breads winning,,,,

P.S. Joe Thomas will be gone....sorry, I want him too.... <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

No way, I can't root for that. We gotta beat TB at home at least. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Simply. Hell no.

Losing out only puts more pressure on Lerner to can Romeo and Savage, something that at this point would only lead to an even bigger mess.

Let's face it, we have a lot of guys playing right now that wouldn't even be reliable backups on other teams. I'm not going to start naming names but it's pretty obvious there are 7-8 starters (on both sides of the ball) that have no business being on the field. If you want a hint, 5-6 are located near the LOS.

We've lost in the past and it has gotten us absolutely NOWHERE. Winning breeds winning.......if we could win out, it would go a long way in getting guys ready/motivated for next season. Is that likely? No, it's not but even if we can beat Tampa and Houston to end the season it would atleast be progress.

Anyone who cheers for a draft pick is a loser. I hate to put it like that but I honestly think it's true.


If we draft Branch, he'll be going through the learning process on the field. He can play DE in the 3-4.......there would be no reason to have him sit on the sideline while a bum like McKinley is in the game getting abused.

[color:"white"] That's what people said last year, and the year before that, and they year before that, and the year before......Hmmmm.

Yeah, it's worked out real well so far. [/color]

actually dollface we keep winning one or two meaningless games down the stretch to nullify that .. i remember the first year i posted it (2 or 3 or even 4 years ago) we won a MEANINGLESS game against Cinci and it costs us a REALLY REALLY GOOD PLAYER (can; tremember who it was so long ago .. ) ..

if we would have lost to KC and then lost out we would have had either Thomas or Quinn ... now we will ahve neither .. and that will HURT US more than that and the following meaningless wins will help us ...

its actually (and no your not one of them) the folks that say we NEED these wins to give the kids confidence that are so far off base its not even funny ... we need TALENT ... and getting Joe thomas would mean a hell of alot more than beating KC or TB did or will ..

this year .. we'll win one or two more and draft around 10 (give or take 2 or 3 spots) and get a decent player .. i'd rather draft 2 or 3 and get thomas ,,,

so for me .. i hope we lose out .. as usual .. *L* . but IMO we ALL READY BLEW IT .. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Must have been a hell of a player. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Old whatshisname.

You can find talent anywhere in the draft, you just have to have a GM that knows what they're doing. The problem hasn't been WHERE we have drafted but HOW we have drafted. Just look at DQ and Kam this year......if we can pluck 2 starters a year in the first 2 rounds we'll get somewhere.

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[color:"orange"]Crazy people.[/color] <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

No. This team needs confidence more than it needs to pick #4 as opposed to #8.... and I don't want regime change... in fact that's the LAST thing I want.

I want to beat Baltimore regardless.I careless about TB and even less about the Texans.Although I'll be rooting for a win when the games are played, I confess it does bother me to have us get our butts kicked when it counts only to hurt our draft possibilities by winning the last totatly meaningless game. Deep inside I have to wonder how smart that really is. I was also hoping to bag the best OL prospect in the country but sadly after last night I'm thinking any line position O or D would be an upgrade.

I'm a true Browns fan, I don't ever want to see the Browns lose; EVER! I will say if we don't win anymore games then we will have the best draft spot that we can get but I think we can beat TB and HOU. If we win more games we drop further in the draft and possibly out of the top 10. Making it almost impossible to get Thomas or Branch, unless we trade up. I still DO NOT want to see the Browns lose, EVER!

[color:"gold"]If you want to know if your a true fan...if you say that you want the Browns to "lose" out but find yourself yell and hollering for the our receivers catch the pass or yelling about throwing a pass that is a yard short of the 1st down...your a true fan.

Wanting them to lose out so they can draft a foundation players in the upcoming draft...I dont hold that against anyone.

This season is lost whether we won 3 games or 4 games. Joe Thomas starting for the Browns at LT next season would feel a lot better than the KC win did...but that is just me....mac

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If I knew Thomas was Orlando Pace and not Tony Mandarich, I might agree. But let's be serious for a minute, these are unproven college players. If you told me we could get the best LT in the NFL by losing out, maybe I might warm up to the idea but Thomas is hardly a sure thing.

Win as many games and you can and let things fall in place accordingly.

Even if we lose out, we're still probably not in a position to get Thomas...so why think about it? Our strength of schedule will slot us as the last team in our final record bracket. Right now we're slotted in the #8 spot.......to get Thomas we probably need to be in the top 2-3 and we absolutely have to be ahead of Arizona, who needs to protect their franchise QB. Given how bad the teams have played that are "ahead" of us in the draft order, there's pretty much no chance these teams are going to win 2 and 3 games the final leg of the season.

When are we going to be in a draft slot that somebody wants so bad they'll give us an extra pick to move up one or two places? I never want to see the Browns lose but I'd trade a last game of a bad season win over the Texans in a heartbeat if it meant the possibility of pulling something like that off.

Having high draft picks every year is going to eat up the salary cap. Look on how much cap space Couch, Warren, and Brown took up. Thats why Cinci took forever turning the corner. Spending all that salary cap money on players like Klingler, Wilkinson and Ki-jana Carter that dont play up to their salary.

Look at where the Steelers pick every year. Their first rounders always contribute and their mid to late rounders step in when another player becomes a FA. I think thats what Savage is trying to do. Cutt and Coleman are FAs. If Wilson and Sowells can step in and contribute next year, that will save the team a lot of money because they wont have to outspend another team to get them. Holmes, Paulamalu, Miller were all mid to late round 1st rounders and all of them contributed in their first year.

What if Joe Thomas is the next Robert Gallery? Both are big white Big Ten LTs. Both were getting hyped as the best lineman in the country before their final season. 90% of this board wanted Gallery, if not more. So for all you Thomas pimps, how is Thomas a better blocker then Gallery?

I guess I'll have to wait for Wisconsins bowl game to see how good he is. I will be watching Texas and Michigans bowl games to look at their #1 CBs. Both are seniors and were finalist for the best college DB award. The Texas guy won the award but the Michigan guy was also nominated for the best defensive player award won by Larainitis.

A lot of great players, and contributers in their first year, are picked outside of the top ten. Plus they are easier on the salary cap.

I'd rather win a couple more stay somewhere in the 8-15 range. That seems to be a place that doesn't eat up as much of the cap and still get a very good prospect. Wimbley wasn't a top 5 pick and many would argue that he is already proving to be the best 1st round pick we've had since our return in 1999.

There is no reason we can't get a top notch lineman in the middle of the first round into the second. When I say lineman I mean either offense or defence.

Hey Nas, shouldn't our strength of schedule put us as the leader of the pack? We have had a very tough schedule, I say it's been as tough as any other teams and maybe more.

I think Nas is right on this one. The tougher the schedule the further your draft position drops. The teams with the weaker schedules draft first.

The reasoning behind it is.......if you can win the same amount of games playing a tougher schedule, then you must be the stronger team. I don't neccessarily agree with it but I would guess that's the conclussion they come to.

and it makes sense.... if the team with the worst record picks highest, the obviously of the teams with the same record, the weakest & crappiest of the bunch would pick highest, and that would be the ones with the weakest strength of schedule.

Us having the toughest SoS means that we'll either be the best of our class, or the worst of the class above us just enough to have not made that class.... depending on how ya look at it <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />