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Link Cleveland Clinic bans hiring of smokers Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:49 AM CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Cleveland Clinic, which has targeted fatty foods at its lunch counters and scooted smokers away from its buildings and sidewalks, now will ban the hiring of anyone who smokes. The move is part of a healthy work force initiative that included the appointment Thursday of Dr. Michael Roizen, author of a series of best-selling books on making healthy lifestyles, as the first chief wellness officer of the research hospital. Beginning Sept. 1, Ohio's second-biggest employer with 36,300 employees will no longer hire smokers. The policy will not affect current employees, who can get free stop-smoking help from the clinic. Prospective employees will be tested for tobacco use along with drugs. The ban is “essentially a challenge to every other major health-care organization that we want them to focus on wellness as well as illness too,” Roizen said Wednesday. The step comes after the clinic removed trans fats from its cafeteria menus and sugar-sweetened beverages from its vending machines. Rick Wade, a spokesman for the American Hospital Association, said since virtually all hospitals ban smokers from their buildings and banning the hiring of smokers was the next logical step. Other employers also are taking steps to get employees to stop smoking. Scotts Miracle-Gro Co. based in Marysville, Ohio, near Columbus, stopped hiring smokers last year and ordered employees who do smoke to quit. For additional health information, visit OhioHealth
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I don't know, this kind of reeks of "discrimination".
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Wow....I forsee a firestorm coming soon to this thread.
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Staying out of this one...I remember the smoking ban thread. *L*
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I thought that thread was kind of Kool.
(trying to take this another directions while we still can)
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I wonder if you just being at smokey bars will be enough to test you positive for being a smoker, even if you don't smoke. And what about smokeless tabacco? And Meth? Can we still do Meth even though we don't smoke? 
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Not sure how I feel about this: On one hand, we are talking about a health care facility becoming healthier. Lead by example...On the other hand, what right does any employer have to control what I do legally on my own time?
I guess, in the end, I'm against them adopting this policy. If I want to smoke on my own time, that's my choice.
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And Meth? Can we still do Meth even though we don't smoke?
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I don't think it's a good move from an employee standpoint, but unless they are a publicly held company, they can have selective employment requirements. now forcing current employees to quit, that's a whole other ballgame.
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Agree Babe, 110%. When are they going to start watching what their employees eat? If they go to Burger King and have a Whopper with cheese are they going to looking?
Are they not going to hire people who are over weight? After all, if they are over weight, they aren't promoting a healthy workforce.
The whole thing stinks....this from a non-smoker.
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So wait, they can't deny employment to anyone because they are black, asian, mexican, etc... but they can because someone smokes? I don't see how they are allowed to do that.
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Medical Mutual of Ohio (which includes Antares management Solutions and WebMD.com) doesn't hire smokers either.
Nothing will come of this, it is within the company's rights.
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Want a great way to cut down on health insurance costs that you as an employer pay? Don't hire smokers. Everyone complains about the high cost of health insurance, but when a company tries to cut its costs, everyone complains about it. I hate to see the "I want them to lower costs, but I'll be damned if they're going to inconvenience me to do it!" attitude that so many Americans have.
This is discrimination, but it's 100% legal. If the Clinic wants to limit the people it brings in and potentially pass over someone who is extremely qualified because they smoke, that is perfectly legal. Smokers are not, nor will they ever be, a protected class.
And, like PPE said, it is entirely within the company's rights to limit its workforce to certain people, as long as they don't fall into a protected class (age, race, disability, etc.). And please no one compare smoking with any of those classes. That's just embarrassing for you to do.
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And, like PPE said, it is entirely within the company's rights to limit its workforce to certain people, as long as they don't fall into a protected class (age, race, disability, etc.). And please no one compare smoking with any of those classes. That's just embarrassing for you to do.
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You're right, that would be embarassing. Age, race etc are involuntary things. Smoking is completely voluntary. (reformed smoker here...haven't had one since Oct. 1990).
And, as long as it is a privately held business, they can make their own hiring requirements. Is the Clinic privately held? I have no idea.
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Genius Idea!!!! Next we need to restrict the places that they shop, then in the future we can stick all these dirty smokers that plague our society into labor camps where they can finally be productive. And then, We Exterminate. I'll get the ball rolling, I'll start to recruit for a Stop Smokers brigade. We'll call it the SS for short. We can go around and shut down businesses that hire smokers, businesses that allow smoking, businesses that sell cigarettes. This is a great new age, and we will built a thousand year empire that will rule a smoke free world. ::evil laughter:: 
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It's going to reduce the health care benefits they have to pay out AND increase the amount of work being performed. Think about it, what do all smokers do during work hours.....take smoke breaks. That 15 minutes per 2-3 hours cost money. The non-smokers are still at their desks working.
I'm sure there are some smokers that get more work done in 1 hour than some non-smokers but on average, its the other way around.
This is about money.
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It's going to reduce the health care benefits they have to pay out AND increase the amount of work being performed. Think about it, what do all smokers do during work hours.....take smoke breaks. That 15 minutes per 2-3 hours cost money. The non-smokers are still at their desks working.
I'm sure there are some smokers that get more work done in 1 hour than some non-smokers but on average, its the other way around.
This is about money.
Not to mention being hipocritical.
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And, like PPE said, it is entirely within the company's rights to limit its workforce to certain people, as long as they don't fall into a protected class (age, race, disability, etc.). And please no one compare smoking with any of those classes. That's just embarrassing for you to do.
Are over-weight people next? After all, obesity is a close #2 killer to smoking. Try not hiring someone for being overweight if it doesn't hinder job performance.
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Want a great way to cut down on health insurance costs that you as an employer pay? Don't hire smokers. Everyone complains about the high cost of health insurance, but when a company tries to cut its costs, everyone complains about it. I hate to see the "I want them to lower costs, but I'll be damned if they're going to inconvenience me to do it!" attitude that so many Americans have.
This is discrimination, but it's 100% legal. If the Clinic wants to limit the people it brings in and potentially pass over someone who is extremely qualified because they smoke, that is perfectly legal. Smokers are not, nor will they ever be, a protected class.
And, like PPE said, it is entirely within the company's rights to limit its workforce to certain people, as long as they don't fall into a protected class (age, race, disability, etc.). And please no one compare smoking with any of those classes. That's just embarrassing for you to do.
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I can see that they want a healthier workforce. They want to cut down on breaks. I don't think that any employer has the right to tell someone they can't smoke, unless they work with gas, explosives or in other similar dangerous to self or other environments.
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Are over-weight people next? After all, obesity is a close #2 killer to smoking. Try not hiring someone for being overweight if it doesn't hinder job performance.
Sure, why shouldn't obese people be next? Obese people are not a protected class, either, so if a company didn't want to hire someone because they are obese (unless it can be classified as a disability, as in a recorded and official disability), then the company has every right to do that.
And, Tyler Derden, I like what you had to say about the SS, etc. It made me laugh, especially since this is a PRIVATE COMPANY REGULATING THEIR WORKFORCE and not a governmental entity putting people in camps, etc. Good analogy, if not completely and utterly inaccurate.
I know the point you're trying to make, but employers can limit their workforce as much as they want, as long as it's not for illegal reasons (race, age, religion, etc.).
And, I mean, look at this, it's a freakin' hospital, and they want to hire people who practice healthy habits? I mean, what's next in this horrible world, a gym that wants to hire in shape people as personal trainers? No!!!
And hey 337 and Brownsbabe, don't make me come after you for all the illegal things I know you do! Oh yes, I'm well aware of the illegal posting on Browns message boards you do while at work! Wait a minute, I'm at work! Gahh!! 
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Tell you what, when I get lung cancer I'm not going to the Clinic,,I'll show them!! :shakes fist:
It is kinda insulting since I smoke the rich flavor of Marlboro, but it's their company not mine. I agree with them actually.
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That doens't appear to be what they are doing. They're are saying they won't hire ANYONE who smokes. Assuming you can go 10 hours without a smoke, it doesn't matter. If you smoke, even in your own home, they won't hire you.
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I have been calling for the fat police for years.
No more MOTOR SCOOTERS LARD BUTT!!!!!
If you can't walk, tough noogies LOOSE WEIGHT!
I am by no means as slim as I was in college, but jesus I can still run, jump, swim etc.
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I'll be honest, I think this is ridiculous. So I made an equally ridiculous analogy.
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Now THAT my friends is a crime, plain and simple.
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Dude, I want to get mad at fat people using those carts in Giant Eagle, but I can't tell if they really need it or not. I remember once this fat women walked far from her car around Thanksgiving and was so out of breath she got into one of those carts. Now thats just pathetic.
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Maybe its the way smoking turns people faces in old catchers mitts......hard to trust a doctor or nurse that looks like they're the Crypt Keeper.
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If you smoke, even in your own home, they won't hire you.
Exactly.
Now that we've established the obvious, where is the problem?
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Exactly.
Now that we've established the obvious, where is the problem?
I think his problem is smoking at home, off the clock, and legal, shouldn't be an issue for your employer to bother you about. But, a health care company that deals with smoking related diseases can make that call IMO.
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I would say that a company has just as much right to determine your eligibility for the privilege of employment based on things outside the workplace just as much as you have the right to determine their eligibility for the privilege of your labor based on things they do when you're not there.
It's a two-way street.
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The more I think about this, the more I think its kind of a non issue. You can still smoke, you just can't be open about it. You will get drug tested for tobacco, but on average, tobacco and its metabolites are out of your system in 3-5 days. After that, whose to say if you are a smoker or not.
So you go smoke free for a week, take your test, then go through your workday smoke free.
I think this will be difficult to enforce. You simply refer to yourself as a non-smoker when you apply, and project that image to keep these moron happy.
Just another hoop to jump through.
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Sure, why shouldn't obese people be next? Obese people are not a protected class, either, so if a company didn't want to hire someone because they are obese (unless it can be classified as a disability, as in a recorded and official disability), then the company has every right to do that.
lol...
I can see it now. 10 years from now....
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Welcome to the Cleveland clinic. Our hospital only hires the mentally handicapped (making sure to be politically correct not to harm too many feelings) because we only hire the protected classes and save money. Please be patient with the waiting time because we no longer hire a capable staff due to any of the following:
Smoking, tatoos, over weight, high cholesterol, occasional beer drinking, cheese eating, base-jumping, jaywalking, speeding, sitting to close to the TV. It goes on and on and on.
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lol. Actually, I think people who sit too close to the TV are a protected class, FYI.
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What's that supposed to mean? I replied to someone that misinterpreted the article.
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The privilege of your labor? To feed my family I don't give a crap what my company does as long as they pay me Yeah Tyler but stopping smoking for a week would be tough on a smoker. I know one of the techs I work with told me he smokes weed everyday and uses a tea to beat the tests. They drive trucks so they get random tests all the time vs me in admin who got tested once when I got hired. I wonder what they would test for exactly. Like say you did quit b/c the CC offered you a bunch of money and you started on the patch and the nicotine gum. If they tested for nicotine you are screwed.
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