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sorry, I guess I mis-read your reply... I thought you were taking exception to the policy with your comment instead of explaining the policy with it.
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Next up.
Drinkers will not be hired, then overweight people, then etc...etc...etc. Sorry no blond hair and blue eyes, YOUR FIRED. Your not six feet tall... YOUR FIRED. Stupid crap like this will just keep going and going, and going till people stand up at some point in the future.
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The privilege of your labor? To feed my family I don't give a crap what my company does as long as they pay me 
That's exactly what it is though. When you "quit your job" you are really firing your employer. They are so bad that you cannot keep them anymore, regardless of what they currenly compensate you with. Conversely, when they fire you, it is because they cannot stand to keep you regardless of how you compensate them.
Remember, work is a two way barter system...
You provide labor for money.
They provide money for labor.
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Just be glad people with severe gas problems can still find a job!!
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And with random drug testing, it's not like you can "plan" to quit for a week to beat the tests. You either smoke, or don't.
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Stupid crap like this will just keep going and going, and going till people stand up at some point in the future.
Stand up? How is that going to happen? People having legs won't be a protected class. They'll be extinct in the future. 
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On the other hand, what right does any employer have to control what I do legally on my own time?
Well there in lies part of the problem.. I don't know too many people who ONLY smoke on their own time. I was talking to one of the founders of my company not too long ago and the subject of smoking came up. He told me that at one point, when the company had about 30 employees, and 10 of them smoked, he figured if each takes 3 smoke breaks a day, 15 minutes per smoke break, then the company is essentially paying a full time smoker, because that's almost 8 hours a day of smoke breaks...
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when the company had about 30 employees, and 10 of them smoked, he figured if each takes 3 smoke breaks a day, 15 minutes per smoke break, then the company is essentially paying a full time smoker, because that's almost 8 hours a day of smoke breaks...
How much does he pay for those who write on message boards? 
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Next up.
Drinkers will not be hired, then overweight people, then etc...etc...etc. Sorry no blond hair and blue eyes, YOUR FIRED. Your not six feet tall... YOUR FIRED. Stupid crap like this will just keep going and going, and going till people stand up at some point in the future.
The only one in your list even legitimate is "drinking" and that is debatable, for some obesity is a genetic issue, for others it's life-choices. As for all the others with the exception of the overweight(some people it's genetic, other's it's life choices), is that being blond, blue eyed, or 6' tall are not voluntary, they are not choices you make, they are genetic.
I don't like to see rules like this imposed on anyone, but, unless they are a public company, they have the right to the hiring practices they choose.
Someone brought up the fitness trainers and gyms. If a gym were to hire 500 lb flabby trainers, would you use the gyms trainers? I doubt it, it goes against what the concept of the business is, which is fitness. Smokers go against what the concept of business is in a medical facility.
But in the end, it is their choice, this isn't a government agency we are talking about, it's a private company.
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He pays me quite well to write on a MB...  And perhaps the Cleveland Clinic should not hire anybody else who tests positive for staph infections too..
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Someone brought up the fitness trainers and gyms. If a gym were to hire 500 lb flabby trainers, would you use the gyms trainers? I doubt it, it goes against what the concept of the business is, which is fitness. Smokers go against what the concept of business is in a medical facility.
ah...ha! See, this is where your logic fails!! Hospitals aren't for the fit! How many healthy people go to the hospital!!
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And I would agree with you there DC. Any smokers that I used to work with always felt that they should be able to take however many breaks they wanted, for as long as they wanted. As a non-smoker and a scheduling manager, the smokers that I've worked with made my job a good deal more difficult than it should have been. (that's not to say all smokers do that, just the ones I've worked with). Luckily now, I'm an office of 1 in a company of thousands, so my schedule only needs to jive with me.
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ah...ha! See, this is where your logic fails!! Hospitals aren't for the fit! How many healthy people go to the hospital!!
Well if hospitals are for sick people trying to get well, then aren't gyms for fat people trying to get fit?
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ah...ha! See, this is where your logic fails!! Hospitals aren't for the fit! How many healthy people go to the hospital!!
Well if hospitals are for sick people trying to get well, then aren't gyms for fat people trying to get fit?
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Well if hospitals are for sick people trying to get well, then aren't gyms for fat people trying to get fit?
The whole thing is an enigma wrapped in a puzzle.
Logically only sick people should be allowed to work for the hospital if fat people aren't hired in the gyms.
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Well if hospitals are for sick people trying to get well, then aren't gyms for fat people trying to get fit?
The whole thing is an enigma wrapped in a puzzle.
and it's dipped in a conundrum. 
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...wrapped in a vest...
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Where is the ACLU, this is blatant discrimination.
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Where is the ACLU, this is blatant discrimination.
They are on a smoke break.
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The whole thing is an enigma wrapped in a puzzle.
...wrapped in a vest...
wrapped in bacon... everbody loves bacon.
mmmmmmm..... bacon
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Where is the ACLU, this is blatant discrimination.
They are on a smoke break.
They are at the gym being trained how to smoke by obese people.
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I'm an ex smoker,,, and I know for a fact how horrible people can be to smokers.. I didn't like it when I smoked and I won't be party to it now that I have quit. (not an easy task my friends). Not hiring a person because they smoke seems a bit over the top, but as long as they apply the rule to everyone equally, I can't see them getting in much trouble for it.. A lawyer can tell you better I suppose. In october of 06, I bought an old sports car (nissan 300XZ). When I bought it, it was a mess... paint was bad, no rust, but lots of dents.. interior was destroyed, leather seats were worn and torn.. back then, I didn't car if someone smoked in it, even after I quit in November, on the 7th at 1:30 PM  . But since that time, I have installed a completly new interior in it.. carpeting, seats, matts, everything is brand spanking new.. Now, I don't want anyone smoking in it, which is my right..
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Staying out of this one...I remember the smoking ban thread. *L*
Everyone knows where I stand on this already....
and for the record, while I see no problem with what the Clinic is doing, the smoking ban is something I am completely against.
The difference is the Clinic is doing what I feel the ban should be... a business making its own decisions over how it is run..... not a bunch of whiny voters andlobbyist telling a private business what its patrons can and cannot do on its own property.
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Where is the ACLU, this is blatant discrimination.
They are on a smoke break.
I don't know if anyone has thought about this or not but,,, people who smoke can only smoke on their break. People who don't smoke have the same amount of time that a smoker does. 15 minutes per 4 hours of work in an 8 hour day. So If I so choose to smoke for 15 minutes 2x a day then so be it. We are all allowed to take a break for 15 mins.
Personally, I'm more worried about what happened the night before an employee came into work... Think about it... (especially in the healthcare industry.) What if Dr. or Nurse X goes out drinking with some buddies the night before a scheduled surgery. They drink a little too much... and come into work with a little buzz from the night before. Who is more at risk for malpractice? The employee that smokes or the employee that went out drinking last night?
If they are not going to hire people who smoke... then every employee should blow into a breathalyzer before they start their mornings when they punch in for the day. If their is any amount of alcohol present then they should get fired on the spot.
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Well, as long as we're not going to overreact or blow things out of proportion or exaggerrate like all hell 
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Uh, the Germany when the war ended and the Americans came in? I mean, ok, I guess?
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Pretty simple. If you are an employer,you're not allowed to "discriminate" against people because of "legal conduct" on their own time.
They should have the HELL sued out of them!
If it ever happens to me,I certainly will.
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And on what grounds are you going to sue them?
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and you would lose.
You are most certainly allowed to discriminate over this. It is called a business being ableto hire whomever it wants for whatever reason it deems appropriate as long as it is not discimination based on race, color, creed, sex or religion.
Last I checked, Vices are not constitutionally protected.
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Last I checked, Vices are not constitutionally protected.
Is that because they're not part of the executive branch?
But you're exactly right, PPE.
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If I worked for a company that had health insurance based on the pool of employees, I would not want to pay the extra premium for the smokers in the pool. They can go somewhere else. It's their decision to smoke and it's my decision not to subsidize it.
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I smoke and will not and have not smoked in my new car. I have made a few people upset by telling them they can't smoke but it's my car and you can always walk. I love that a year later it still smells new.
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You're openning up an entire can of worms that needs to be closed quickly. I mean,what's next? We don't hire anyone that is overweight? We don't hire anyone who has a tatoo? We don't hire anyone with high cholesteral? I could go on,but I think you catch my drift. Eventually,this will be changed by law and the courts. If not? Pretty soon,two thirds of Americans won't be able to gain employment for a multiple of frivilous reasons based on nothing but discrimination of people on many levels. Only in America...................
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I have been calling for the fat police for years.
No more MOTOR SCOOTERS LARD BUTT!!!!!
If you can't walk, tough noogies LOOSE WEIGHT!
I am by no means as slim as I was in college, but jesus I can still run, jump, swim etc.
Be careful what you say. I was in my early 30's and weighed 200 lbs with 8% body fat. Times change and if your not careful you can change with them.
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It has nothing to do with "vices". It has to do with people being dicriminated against over "legal activities". So,in turn,do they hire anyone who's ever had a DUI? Who drink? Have traffic violations? How can ANYONE support refusing to hire someone who participates in "perfectly LEGAL" activities,unless they're willing to also refuse to employ everybody who has "broken a law"? So hire someone with a DUI on their record,that has broken the law,but refuse to hire someone who has not broken the law? Oh yeah,that makes perfect sense! Especially to those who drink but don't smoke.  It's not about "vices". It's about discriminating against someone for participating in a "legal activity". I think it will be challenged,and they'll lose.
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We don't hire anyone that is overweight?
We don't hire anyone who has a tatoo?
We don't hire anyone with high cholesteral?
Next? That's been happening for awhile already in some businesses. You don't see too many overweight, tattooed runway models. You also don't see any local business hiring people who show up to an interview dressed like a slob. The employees a company hires directly reflect the company itself. A business should be able to hire and fire people who are going to give a postive/negative face to the company.
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Let's see Ex,
You're not allowed to "smoke in a hospital".
I have no issue with that. So the patients don't deal with "the smoke from employees". I can see how they can simply not permit smoking on hospital grounds if they so choose.
So how does the fact their employees smoke "before or after work" have any bearing on the patients,or the image of the hospital? It doesn't.
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I also wonder about the legality of "per-employment screening for legal substances"
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