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#2. Hue has said that he was talking about the Whole Team, and not Kessler, when he said Trust Me. That is the first time I heard that. Not trying to be a jerk, but do you have a link for that one? I thought for sure he said it after they took Kessler?????
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Here is the entire original quote.. it's pretty clear.. “He almost completed 68 percent of his passes. The guy has had a tremendous career,” Jackson said. “I understand where everybody is coming from, but you’ve got to trust me on this one. This is a guy that we feel very comfortable with, and we think he’s going to have an opportunity to ascend.”
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Sorry Vers. I looked all over and can't find it. Maybe someone on here can back me up, I know I saw it on here some where.
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Sorry Vers. I looked all over and can't find it. Maybe someone on here can back me up, I know I saw it on here some where. I honestly hope he never said it.. because if he did, compared to the actual quote above, he's going to look like a liar.. and I like Hue and don't want to look like a liar..
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Ok, maybe it will just die out. Sorry I brought it up.
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I clearly remember him saying that about Kessler, not the team. It was his response to almost everybody feeling we reached for him in the 3rd.
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Yeah I remember that also. However, I also thought I saw a press conference when a reporter said something about Kessler and trust me and Hue said that was meant for the whole Team. Now I can't find it, so I'll just chalk it up to bad drugs and move on. 
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How in the heck is everybody? I haven't posted in a while..
My .02:
Think about when Chip Kelly left Oregon - he was "THE" coach to get for numerous teams..
Hue had success in Oakland as a HC, he had great success in Cincy as OC. Last offseason, he was the hot candidate for a head coaching job - "THE" coach to get. Had the Browns not offered, the Giants probably would have given him a chance. Not only did the Browns offer but they offered in a way that discouraged Hue from taking on any more interviews.
I think that when Mr. Haslam offered Hue the job he gave Hue the sense that "Hey, you're the guy. We want you as our leader and have unbending trust in you. Do it your way." - This is what Hue is doing.
I liked a lot of what I saw last year. A decent running game and at times some good rhythm in the passing game - without any great players at skill positions. I have a good feeling that if the FO can get him some good players, Hue will continue putting points on the board and we will win some games. We have to give him at least three years. The only other coach I had this much confidence in was Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC - he did a lot of things I liked and so does Hue.
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So Hue..........screw you.
lol...weird post there Vers...
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Ok, maybe it will just die out. Sorry I brought it up. No need to be sorry. It's always good to get the correct information out there. I thought it was about Kessler, but when you said that, I wasn't sure. No worries....
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So Hue..........screw you.
lol...weird post there Vers...  
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Well, Hue kinda blew it in my world. He threw Horton under the bus. His offense was no better than Horton's D, and they sure as hell didn't lose as many players due to cuts due to salary/age issues. He then has Pep bail on him and I think I know why. The explanations for his leaving don't make Hue or the Brown's ownership/FO look good.
So Hue..........screw you. You just lost an ally due to your arrogance and power play actions. Next year, the dawgs are going to be nipping on your fat ass, and I am not going to say a word to defend you. [Well, I might.........but, it's going to take a lot of stupidity on the part of the posters to change my mind. Then again, that isn't a stretch. LOL]
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I like how you put words in other people mouths while in every other thread you dance around actually saying anything specific..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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lol 
Just you went from one end to the next pretty fast...not like you that was what was weird for me.
Still cannot find confirmation on the Williams thing but it was so none news, we asked and they said no.
What I do know is Hue's first pick at DC (available) was Vance Joseph who went to the Dolphins. Horton was 2nd.
And I could have predicted mac's response...lol have fun with that. You seem to be in good humor today...I love it! 
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Another thing I'd like to know about Hue, is what makes him such an expert on picking a QB?
This sounds like Holmgren all over again. He can coach QBs, but he sure can't pick them.
I'd much rather leave the player picking to the front office and the coaching to Hue. He's so worried about finding the right QB he coached us to a 1-15 season.
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Another thing I'd like to know about Hue, is what makes him such an expert on picking a QB?
This sounds like Holmgren all over again.
+1. Jury still out for me but I see your point.
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I think its the evaluating process that he has respect for. I sure hope so...Kessler was not bad for a rookie 3rd rounder. He should still improve but lets see what he takes at 1, 12 or 33 in the form of a QB and his evaluations of them.
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Sticking strictly to the topic --- I think Hue is doing it exactly right and exactly as Bill would do in the same situation.
When the team WINS - you give the PLAYERS the credit. (Hue hasn't had a chance to do that yet, my gut says he will because he is a players coach as others have pointed out).
When the team LOSES you put all the blame/fault/pressure on the COACH. This 100%. This is what great leaders do. Reluctant to take credit and the first in line to take blame. I know the OP was to create conversation, but the "team, team, team" vs "me, me, me" narrative is a directly correlated to winning vs losing in this case.
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Difference b/w Hue and Holmgren.
Hue is NOT bolstering the play of either RG3 or Cody after seeing them play.
Holmgren didn't care how poo his QB played, he hyped them up regardless.
At least Hue sees the truth. lol.
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One thing for sure.............I have ALWAYS been wrong about my evaluations of coaches and FO guys while you guys have ALWAYS been right.
Thus, why even consider what I am saying? No need. Just dismiss it and work hard to disprove it.
Keep on....keeping on.
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Hue was a major dissapointment to me this year ... the negatives far out weighed the positives for me ...
One of my biggest worries now ... HUE going after Colin Kapernick ... that would STINK and it worries the hell out of me ....
PLEASE NO ... that would sour me on Hue big time ....
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Hue was a major dissapointment to me this year ... the negatives far out weighed the positives for me ...
One of my biggest worries now ... HUE going after Colin Kapernick ... that would STINK and it worries the hell out of me ....
PLEASE NO ... that would sour me on Hue big time .... I agree. I haven't heard anything about going after Kapernick, but that would suck.
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Hue was a major dissapointment to me this year ... the negatives far out weighed the positives for me ...
One of my biggest worries now ... HUE going after Colin Kapernick ... that would STINK and it worries the hell out of me ....
PLEASE NO ... that would sour me on Hue big time .... I agree. I haven't heard anything about going after Kapernick, but that would suck. I think one of Hue's major flaws is going to end up being his ego .. and I haven't heard anything about him going after Kap EITHER .. My fear of that is two fold .... Kap has alot of similiratites to RG3 in that he very well may be a project Hue can "SAVE" and be a hero ...
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You may end up being right. I believe if Hue can figure out that if he fails due to not being able to address the QB position, that his future of being a HC in the NFL holds in the balance, he may be more selective.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Hue was a major dissapointment to me this year ... the negatives far out weighed the positives for me ...
One of my biggest worries now ... HUE going after Colin Kapernick ... that would STINK and it worries the hell out of me ....
PLEASE NO ... that would sour me on Hue big time .... Thanks, now besides RG3, Watson,Kizer and Trub I can start worrying about Hue going after Kap.
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I would hope that after putting up with Johnny M, Jimmy would tell Hue NO WAY. We don't need all the baggage Kap would bring with him.
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Hue was a major dissapointment to me this year ... the negatives far out weighed the positives for me ...
One of my biggest worries now ... HUE going after Colin Kapernick ... that would STINK and it worries the hell out of me ....
PLEASE NO ... that would sour me on Hue big time .... I agree. I haven't heard anything about going after Kapernick, but that would suck. I think one of Hue's major flaws is going to end up being his ego .. and I haven't heard anything about him going after Kap EITHER .. My fear of that is two fold .... Kap has alot of similiratites to RG3 in that he very well may be a project Hue can "SAVE" and be a hero ... Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Hue and how he's handled QB's prior to coming here? I've heard/seen very little if anything that runs counter to the credit he's been given in regards to elevating the play of guys like Flacco, Campbell, Dalton, and I'd even throw Kessler in there (maybe counting as 1/2 a point) as he had played better than most people thought he would. If you are of mind to credit him with those successes, how do you then reconcile that with his ego likely preventing him from recognizing a good QB to acquire? Or do you picture him like a guy who doesn't know the first thing about physically building a computer, but he's an expert on software and knows Microsoft Office like the back of his hand? (No doubt Exel is a powerful analytics tool... lol) Not telling you you're wrong about your assessment, just trying to reconcile some things is all.
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Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Hue and how he's handled QB's prior to coming here? I've heard/seen very little if anything that runs counter to the credit he's been given in regards to elevating the play of guys like Flacco, Campbell, Dalton, and I'd even throw Kessler in there (maybe counting as 1/2 a point) as he had played better than most people thought he would. This summer when everyone was calling him a qb guru .. i was one of, if not the first one to question it .. I looked back at his history and for the life of my couldn't figure out why everyone thought he was a QB guru ... I don't see anything close to a QB guru here .. NOT EVEN CLOSE ... But before we go down that road .. the only ones he AQUIRED in that group were Campbell and Kessler ... and were talking about aquiring a qb here ... so who he worked with has ZERO to do with his ability to aquire them ... he also brought Palmer to the faiders but he went down toot-sweet after he was aquired ... I thought what he got out of Campbell was AWESOME for 5 - 8 weeks .. then he went south ... So far he's shown me NOTHING to make me trust his ability to aquire a qb ... ZERO ... we'll know more in a few years ... and if he's not good at it .. it will cost him his job ... If you are of mind to credit him with those successes, how do you then reconcile that with his ego likely preventing him from recognizing a good QB to acquire? - what success? .. - Flacco's way over rated IMO ... - Campbell had a great 1/3rd of a year ... - Cody IMO is a career back up ... and IMO Hue hurt him this year when Hue ran his mouth and when he benched him against the rats ... HORRIBLE imo .. - Dalton was always good .. when Hue came along so did Bernard, Hill, Sanu, Jones and Eifert ... add that to AJ Green and I'm not sure how much credeit Hue deserves for Dalton ... not sure how much of that wasn't talent ... I've always scratched my head when I've heard Hue and QB Guru ...
Or do you picture him like a guy who doesn't know the first thing about physically building a computer, but he's an expert on software and knows Microsoft Office like the back of his hand?
I don't know anythng about computers so I'll have to pass on that analogy ... *L* .. Not telling you you're wrong about your assessment, just trying to reconcile some things is all. Hope that helps with the math ... i've never been one to understand his moniker of "QB Guru" ...
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Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Hue and how he's handled QB's prior to coming here? I've heard/seen very little if anything that runs counter to the credit he's been given in regards to elevating the play of guys like Flacco, Campbell, Dalton, and I'd even throw Kessler in there (maybe counting as 1/2 a point) as he had played better than most people thought he would. This summer when everyone was calling him a qb guru .. i was one of, if not the first one to question it .. I looked back at his history and for the life of my couldn't figure out why everyone thought he was a QB guru ... I don't see anything close to a QB guru here .. NOT EVEN CLOSE ... But before we go down that road .. the only ones he AQUIRED in that group were Campbell and Kessler ... and were talking about aquiring a qb here ... so who he worked with has ZERO to do with his ability to aquire them ... he also brought Palmer to the faiders but he went down toot-sweet after he was aquired ... I thought what he got out of Campbell was AWESOME for 5 - 8 weeks .. then he went south ... So far he's shown me NOTHING to make me trust his ability to aquire a qb ... ZERO ... we'll know more in a few years ... and if he's not good at it .. it will cost him his job ... If you are of mind to credit him with those successes, how do you then reconcile that with his ego likely preventing him from recognizing a good QB to acquire? - what success? .. - Flacco's way over rated IMO ... - Campbell had a great 1/3rd of a year ... - Cody IMO is a career back up ... and IMO Hue hurt him this year when Hue ran his mouth and when he benched him against the rats ... HORRIBLE imo .. - Dalton was always good .. when Hue came along so did Bernard, Hill, Sanu, Jones and Eifert ... add that to AJ Green and I'm not sure how much credeit Hue deserves for Dalton ... not sure how much of that wasn't talent ... I've always scratched my head when I've heard Hue and QB Guru ...
Or do you picture him like a guy who doesn't know the first thing about physically building a computer, but he's an expert on software and knows Microsoft Office like the back of his hand?
I don't know anythng about computers so I'll have to pass on that analogy ... *L* .. Not telling you you're wrong about your assessment, just trying to reconcile some things is all. Hope that helps with the math ... i've never been one to understand his moniker of "QB Guru" ... I do give Hue some credit for the following: RG3 looked much more ready in week 1 than I thought was possible for him and then he got hurt and regressed. I was shocked on how much better Kessler looked. I thought he was hopeless in camp. Freakin Clipboard Jesus actually looked decent without much time to prep. I can see why Hue gets a rep for being a QB guru. Now QB drafter? I'm not so sure yet.
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Kody played better then I expected.
I think the stench of Griffin's first game back from injury (IMHO too early) clouds the perception of his play down the stretch.
Griffin played good enough to win both the Chargers and Steelers games.
Tip of the cap to Hue there especially because if you dive deep into the Steelers game it was clear to me that Griffin was making huge strides.
Credit to Hue there.
At the same time I think Hue made mistakes.
All coaches do.....even Bill.
The difference is the talent level disparity of the Browns makes the threshold for mistakes low. Hue needed to be near perfect to even be competitive.
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I don't think Hue is the QB Whisperer that so many posters claimed he was before the season. I disputed that and tried to warn people that the coaches would not make a big difference due to the lack of talent on this roster.
Well, most turned on Horton and he is gone. Pep bailed before he got fired. And Hue took a ton of grief during the year.
I don't think Hue is bad w/QBs. I just think it comes down to talent.
The only thing I question w/HUe is his ability to evaluate QBs.
He wanted RGIII, Goff over Wentz, and Kessler over a host of guys who I think are better, including Dak.
That is a bit scary, but it's early. We'll see.
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I don't think Hue is the QB Whisperer that so many posters claimed he was before the season. I disputed that and tried to warn people that the coaches would not make a big difference due to the lack of talent on this roster.
Well, most turned on Horton and he is gone. Pep bailed before he got fired. And Hue took a ton of grief during the year.
I don't think Hue is bad w/QBs. I just think it comes down to talent.
The only thing I question w/HUe is his ability to evaluate QBs.
He wanted RGIII, Goff over Wentz, and Kessler over a host of guys who I think are better, including Dak.
That is a bit scary, but it's early. We'll see. Let's not forget Dak was arrested March 12 last year for a DUI. After just getting burned by Manziel the Browns were not going to touch him at that point.
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We aren't forgetting.
But, by the same token..........Hue brought in the slime that was Art Briles and said that everyone deserves a second chance.
I think the evaluation process was more to blame than the DUI.
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Thanks for your take. You make some good points about Hue not ever really having been in a position where he picked his QB.
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Not that I'm a computer search guru like cpr and Clevesteve among others on this board.
But all the Interest I've seen on Kaepernick extend back to 2016 off season Feb. and March...including one article on the Browns...but nothing for this year. Possibly you can provide more info on that worry of yours???
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Not that I'm a computer search guru like cpr and Clevesteve among others on this board.
But all the Interest I've seen on Kaepernick extend back to 2016 off season Feb. and March...including one article on the Browns...but nothing for this year. Possibly you can provide more info on that worry of yours??? I have followed the Browns since 1978 when I was 8. I could not follow a team with Kaepernick as a QB. Besides being selfish and a bad teammate he offends entire fan bases. I really hope we don't even consider him.
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Not that I'm a computer search guru like cpr and Clevesteve among others on this board.
But all the Interest I've seen on Kaepernick extend back to 2016 off season Feb. and March...including one article on the Browns...but nothing for this year. Possibly you can provide more info on that worry of yours??? I have none bro ... i said that a post or two after bringing it up ... it just could be something Hue's ego may lead him down the wrong road on as a possible reclamation project like RG3 ... This is simply me being afraid ... i haven't seen it suggested or talked about anywhere else ...
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One thing for sure.............I have ALWAYS been wrong about my evaluations of coaches and FO guys while you guys have ALWAYS been right.
Probably correct. Your attempts at sarcasm and disrespect towards others is only disrespecting yourself.
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