DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Garoppolo Part Three

He's still basically the same unknown quantity he was three years ago and at that time nobody was willing to give up more then a late 2nd rnd pick for him so why has the market suddenly changed? If the teams weren't totally sold on him back then what makes them think he is the answer now? especially when it's gonna cost them a ton of money just to find out.

It's all about if you believe he's a franchise QB or not. If you do, he's worth a first round pick and then some. If not, you don't believe he's worth it.

The fact is there will probably be teams vying for his services. Value will be determined according to what the market will bear.

His perceived value has gone up. I understand if you don't agree with the reasoning behind his value going up, but it has.

Assuming we do get JG, regardless of what it took I have a feeling that we'll be happy with the actual terms of the deal. This FO if nothing else has put together some very good deals so far.

Wouldn't this be true of whoever the QB is? Or do you see Jimmy as extra fragile?

I think I've spelled his name like 3 different ways. My phone can't even autocorrect it.

Or quick decision making and a fast release...

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/827608709396361221

This is good news. It is my opinion that Garoppolo is the best of a bunch of uncertain options. I hope we don't give up too much if we do trade for him.

And Allbright is general on point with his information.

btw back when we drafted manziel our OC who is now the HC of the 49ers wanted to draft Jimmy G. at #22. So at least some thought he was a first round talent. Friggin Haslem!!!

This was brought up on 92.3 The Fan this morning. Both morning hosts tend to get inside info to the team, especially Ken Carmen, and they mirrored the same tone regarding Haslem. That's not to say Farmer didn't like Manziel (I don't know) but the Haslem intervening comments have been overwhelming since that decision was made. It's tough to look past that.

Lets do a Herschel or Ricky Williams like deal.... get errr dun.

Wut.

I'm pretty sure that Haslem forcing Manziel on Mike Shanahan when he didn't want him is one of the main reason he left the Browns. It was either going to be carr or jimmy until haslem override everyone there according to Mike himself.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kyle-s...rafted-manziel/

BTW that would be like telling Hue we don't value his opinion on QB's. Kyle is one of the top OC in the country and we totally ignored what he had to say. I just think it's funny though that me and him had the same opinion on the QB's of that draft =)

There was a story out somewhere this week that Shanahan had agreed to go to the Browns because he thought he would be working with Dan Quinn, but then they hired Pettine.

https://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brow...nted-to-be-with

Edit:

My details are a little off. Quinn and Shanahan were a package deal. Quinn didn't get a head coaching job, Shanahan came to us (there are rumors that we were going to hire Quinn but didn't want to wait until after the Super Bowl).

Ha! I remember when people thought that was a legitimate thing. Right, Vers?

I believe at the time Quinn was deep into the playoffs (Superbowl) with Seattle. I forget but will assume Pettine was hired before that game.

Hershel Walker ... Ricky Williams.... teams gave up an entire draft to acquire them.

I'm only kidding. I do want JG, I'm just laughing at how the media and teams will spin the story to increase interest and the cost ... it's long ass way to go before the draft is here, this story is probably not going to rest for a day before a trade is finally made by whichever team. There's a chance it could be made before the draft - I sure hope so.

As someone else has indicated, the FO does seem to have pulled off some fair value trades. Here's hoping to another one.

Is there a day that goes by where you don't try and start an argument w/me?

Back to the football:

--We have posters talking about Jimmy G's injury history, however, to the best of my knowledge, he never missed a game in college due to injury. How can people use words like "fragile" or phrases like "not durable?"

--Others are complaining about the cost and saying things like "what could go wrong." However, the Brown's qb situation is terrible. That's been going wrong for decades. If the Browns think Jimmy G is the real deal, it would be wise to take a shot on him.

--The OL is not nearly as bad as some claim. Jimmy G is known for his quick decision making. That makes an OL look better and we have seen it in the past when DA replaced Frye and Hoyer replaced Weeden.

--I cannot guarantee that Jimmy G will be great, but I like him better than any of the qbs in the draft. Much better. And it's not like there isn't risk w/drafting a qb high, because you are more or less married to him for at least 3 years. We've seen that situation play out a couple of times, too.

--I think the prospect of drafting Garrett and trading for Jimmy G is exciting. The Browns could very well gain two true impact players at the two most important positions on the field.

Agree on all 5 points...

I agree with you 100% vers 8)

Agree across the board with that post, dawg

WOW! The above 3 posts and 3 "likes" to boot...see what happens when you play nice.

When was Vers playing nice?

I think posters were merely stating their agreement.

He was just trying to start more trouble.

Remember the old slogan "When E.F. Hutton talks, everybody listens"?

Can we please get back to the topic at hand and stop talking about me?

Thank you.

Me too. Vers is bringing some logic here.


I'm not impressed with this year's groups of QBs. Everyone has a significant flaw. JG has the quick release, a strong arm,


Not having a QB has held our team back big-time. And if we can add-in Garrett too, things will be looking real good. We have missed on so many 1st rounders, and Garrett is an impact player that could make an immediate impact. Ogbah, Shelton, and Garrett is a pretty good start for a D-Line.


I'm just hoping we can get this deal done without having to give up our 12 pick. Doubt it though. I think the Pats will say "Okay folks, let's see your best offers" (like the Rams did with the RG3), and we'll offer our 12. I just don't think anyone is going to beat that. That's the way I'd do it if I was New England. Right down to business. Chicago and SF will be making offers, and we'll have to outbid them (and I just don't see them giving 2nd or 3rd for him).

Lemme ask: would you roll the dice and trade the 12th pick for him?
I think I would. I hope they do.

Another thing: the guy we draft at 12 might bust, whether it's a QB or any other position. So why not take the gamble on a QB you think will work out? No different than many other gambles, but with a bigger payoff if you get a franchise QB.

I'm not trying to dodge your question, but I really don't have enough knowledge about the financial aspects of the game to answer that question w/intelligence.

If the market value suggests that other teams are willing to give up similar compensation, then yes, go for it.

I just don't know what his market value is. I trust the FO guys w/their business backgrounds to sort through all of that. They know way more about that stuff than I do.

I just think Jimmy G is a good player and has a legit shot of solving our qb situation.

And I hate to keep repeating this, but man bro.......getting an impact edge rusher and a franchise qb in the same year would be quite the haul.

Far from it. I was simply giving you a compliment and delivered it in a (hopefully) humorous manner.

There were 4 highly valued QB in that draft; Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, & Manziel, with Garoppolo close behind. If Bortles or Manziel (or both) hadn't declared early, or if he had come out in a different year, he probably would have been a first or early second round pick.(FWIW, I think Tom Savage was in the same boat.)

Even then, Bortles was a total shock going that high and then the others all fell much farther than predicted.

Just saw this. I wouldn't classify bbrowns32 as a troublemaker lol.

Sf and Chicago aren't giveing their 1st. We can get him with 33. Ne would love back to back picks at 32-33, if they win of course.

If we want Garoppolo, we can get him. We have more ammunition than anyone.

The only thing I would be worried about would be a pick swap.