DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Garoppolo Part Four

I post my opinion based on my own personal observations and evaluation. You can call that whatever you want to. There is not a person on this forum that can offer more than that unless you secretly work for the Browns which I sincerely doubt. So enough about speculation nonsense like it somehow invalidates what anyone is saying on this forum.

So let's clear up some vocabulary issues. I don't mean this in an insulting way at all. There is a lot of variance in how coaches talk about the same darn things. Half of that is that natural secrecy from one program to the next in trying not to give away team secrets to competing teams. What I may term something is not always going to be the same way others do and vice versa. There is no foul or crime in this IMHO. I have known multiple different coaches calling the same things by different names. It's just how it is and nothing intentionally bad.

SO that being said, TO ME rhythm passing is having WR running routes to a specified area at a specified time and the QB throwing to that specified area at the specified time. Often they are throwing blind and trusting the WR to be at the place he is supposed to be. QB will often look away from he is throwing at the beginning to draw defenses away and then come back at the last second to throw to the specified spot.

The most famous example to use this method is the West Coast Offense. It featurers a LOT of timing routes. The Spread offense also uses this a lot in college. The difference with the Spread is that often in college they have the QB throw to open zones aka the open area and trust the WR to go to that general area to be near the ball and react to it. Most of the QBs these days in college are trained with the spread zone passing these days. Cody is surely one of them.

Jimmy G. is not a rhythm passer. He is a read and react passer. Does that mean he never has to use timing routes? Of course not. NE has different offensive packages and some of them certain use a variation of the WCO that require bursts of Rhythm passing. It would be a mistake to think that is the main thing they do or all they do. All the way back to college Jimmy had complete freedom to change the plays at the line of scrimmage based on the defense he saw. His coaches trusted him completely to read the defense and react to it. Quite frankly his wrs were not good enough to trust with any type of rhythm passing because often they did not get open but Jimmy had to throw them open. One of the reasons he developed such a killer pump fake that just destroys defenses even at the pro level is to find some tiny room to open things for his WRs. He then releases it in such a furious speed that defenders have been seen falling down trying to readjust to it.

Jimmy G. is not a Rhythm passer. He is a read and react passer who uses timing routes when asked to do so.

Cody is indeed a Rhythm passer who needs WRs to do their job or he gets stuck. That doesn't mean Cody is stupid or a terrible QB. It just means he is a typical QB of this day and age. Also, he was a rookie being thrown to the wolves which is brutal. I mean he was drafted as a QB to be developed over time into something with potential. Of course he was not fully ready to start. I am not hanging out the kid to dry by any means because I like him. Just as the backup with potential he was always meant to be.

Cody was never going to be in the same mental league as a Jimmy G. IMHO. Cody doesn't see the whole field well enough and he tends to lock onto receivers instead of scanning the field and go through his reads. TO be fair half the QBs in the NFL don't either. This is one of the reasons you find yourself yelling at the screen for him to get rid of the darn ball already. For all that though, I think he did a good job as a rookie but I view his ceiling as too limited. I would love for Cody to prove me wrong.

I don't think either of them are terribly athletic in the sense of being a running QB but Cody is more likely to run for it than Jimmy is I think because Jimmy G. is very close to being a traditional pocket passer. Jimmy will slide up into the pocket more times that he will just roll out. Then again with our current center situation would any QB on our team trust that pocket to be there? Hard to blame Cody for that.

Some of you think Jimmy G. is just a product of NE. He is not. He was the same read and react QB in college and used the same great technique and footwork in college too. I don't see where Bill has done anything at all to change how he plays the game except to instill more confidence in his ability to read defenses. Watch the following 2 highlight reels and tell me where you see some radical difference the patriots have made to his passing game. To me he is just the same insanely accurate passer ripping defenses apart with perfect passes that drop right in the bucket or hitting the WR in stride.

Skip the first 40 seconds of each video to avoid the nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBoj4bQCaQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KvrEZOaR6Q

Jimmy is just a very polished pocket passer. He is well worth whatever it takes to bring him to the Browns. Of course that is just my opinion but we are all on here just throwing our opinions about so I won't apologize for that like its some crime =) I do think my observations are pretty accurate and reliable though.

Not worth a first round pick.

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I'd give 33 for him, but 1 or 12 forget it.

If this FO believes he can be a franchise QB, he's worthy of a first round pick. Depending on how they evaluate him will determine his value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=949e9Mli0bI

This is one of Cody's best games of last season. I wanted to use this one because it's a game he did well. Just casually watch it. Over all you will see a few things that stand out even though it's a good game stat wise.

1. Follow his eyes and direction his helmet moves to. Overall it seldom changes from his first look. He locks on to WR a LOT.

2. His passes are seldom crisp and delivered to the best possible spot.

3. There is not a lot of zing on his ball and it tends to float sometimes.

4. How often do you see the ball drop in the bucket or leading the receiver vs the WR having to fight for it because it's slightly off target? Far too often he is only getting it close to where it needs to be instead of right on the money.

5. He gets hit too much by crappy blocking but several times it's also because he hold the ball too long instead of just throwing it away. Let's be fair though because that is a typical rookie mistake.

I think he did OK as a rookie. I just see a lot of things he has to improve on so I hope he gets some good work in with House this offseason. I don't ever think he will surpass Jimmy G.'s potential though. Their level of passing quality is just too far apart and so is their ability to read and react.

Of course that is JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION =) Feel free to take it or leave it =)

I wanted him at pick #22 the year he came out so I still think he is worth a mid first round pick. I would take him for pick #12 long before any QB in this draft. I mean it's not even close how much better Jimmy is than any QB in this draft.

I think we all, all of us have proven over the years that the majority of posters on here are smarter than the front office.

I have tweets that say I would prefer Grady Jarret over Danny Shelton because Shelton was fat and sloppy before that years draft.

Jarret had 3 sacks in the superbowl. Shelton was average on a terrible defense after losing 40 pounds.

My venom is not directed at you but the FO and this organization sucking so badly.

IF we are trying to have a discussion I think its important to clearly distinguish when we are expressing an opinion vs expressing a fact.

I feel its common courtesy to state imo, imho, jmo or I think, I believe etc....and then support our opinions.

Maybe its me and I'm wrong but some people read these threads and forums and gather information from it.

If we express our opinions as facts then how are the people that read to pick up information supposed to know the difference?

That's all I'm saying. If I forget to qualify my opinion/speculations and express them as facts I would have no problem with someone telling so. And in that vain I do the same when someone forgets. No disrespect intended.

I believe you are creating a distinction that doesn't exist. I have never heard of a "read and react" passer. Never. I don't even know what that means. You say he's not a rhythm passer yet contradict yourself and say that NE offense does use rhythm passing, timing routes and WCO concepts.




I couldn't disagree more.

As is Cody.

Woah. I have no idea what you mean when you say a read and react QB. But in college Jimmy played in a spread. And because of playing in the spread his footwork was a knock against him. Playing in NE has helped him become a "traditional"=rhythm passer.


No one has said that Bill changed anything. And Josh McDaniels is the OC/playcaller.

Scratches head. I thought Jimmy wasn't a rhythm passer?

This is my position too. I'd rather upgrade the D - lots of talent. I wouldn't be averse to Mahones or Webb later. Kessler wasn't meant to play last year and did OK. If he can make what I call the "Shelton leap" he may become a good player. I wish for once we had some luck and struck on a QB.

Thanks for posting the videos.

The first video doesn't seem to touch on any points you brought up. In fact, I thought it wasn't a very good at all.

Interestingly enough, I agree Garoppolo throws some very nice passes, however in this video you see him exit the pocket and injurying his shoulder on the play. A bit ironic.

Later, the Kessler video posted. First, he's a rookie which you pointed out. Watching a later video like vs the steelers, he scans the field on a lot of his passes.

I believe there is a little difference between our receivers and those of New England. Timing patterns or not, those guys have been together a while. The Browns essentially were playing with rookie receivers minus Hawkins. Pryor learning the position, Coleman, Louis... Plus it's hard to gain a rapport when we were switching quarterbacks every 2 minutes.

I understand what you're saying. And Jimmy looks like a potential decent quarterback, and I'll be all in with him if we do acquire him but I think the franchise as a whole would benefit better from from using our top 4 picks drafting quality players.

I still think it'll take at least a first round pick to get Garoppolo. And I think this is still somewhat of a risk. You draft a QB at 12 then you can groom him to be your own and you have 3-4 years to do so. You trade for Jimmy, we've got one season to decide if he's the man because he becomes a free agent. It takes some time to learn a new offense, will one year be enough? If he doesn't have a great year, or he battles injuries all season, then what? Would you resign him? Not saying it's going to fail, but there's still some risk involved.

I think Kessler could become our McCarron at worst. Serviceable back up who can win you games. We can use him while we build up the rest of the team and then after a year or two go all in on a quarterback... Just my thought of course...

Smith was traded for a second round and conditional pick. Garoppolo will require more than that... You can't compare what the Chiefs and 49ers did. It's not the same thing.

Considering the fact that Jimmy G. can make all of the throws and processes information much quicker is a reach of gigantic proportions.

There's no comparison no matter how hard people try to convince others to come to that conclusion.

You know your football pretty well but I believe even you have to believe you're either not being honest or have extreme bias in your points.

Kessler lacks the arm strength and confidence to push the ball down the field. He also lacks the ability to read D's post snap. Those two things are very hard, if not impossible to overcome.

Everything posted on this thread is opinion. Evaluations are based on opinions of scouts and whoever wants to say whatever they want to. You either trust those opinions or you don't. I view my evaluations as factual to me because to me it's what I see and is fact to me. At the end of the day it's up to the read to decide if my evaluation is good enough to be factual for them.

I say what I say and I mean what I say. I report my evaluation as fact. When I am not sure I normally say it's my opinion. Still all evaluations are opinion based on how a person sees the facts. Not all evaluations are factual even from pro scouts. I just prefer to be honest so I freely admitted before my post that everything was just my opinion. I don't see why you're so annoyed by me just trying to be honest and upfront.

From reading your post I am not sure what you think is a rhythm passer. It almost seems like you think all QBs are rhythm passers. Could you clarify what you think a non rhythm passer is and give us an example so we understand what you mean by that terminology better?

A read and react QB is a QB who reads the defense before the snap. Makes another quick read after the snap and then determines where to go with the ball. He will decide where and how to throw it based on what the defense gives him. This is NOT rhythm passing. Also, not many QBs are even capable of this level of playing. It also doesn't mean that they don't use timing and rhythm in their throws. All QBs due to a certain degree.

Rhythm passing does not rely on reading defenses, as much as, it relies on trusting WRs to be where they are supposed to be. They still read the defense so don't get me wrong, but it's at a much lesser intensity and detail. They can often be forced into throwing the ball blind and just having to trust the WR to win the ball.

Why do you think a pocket passer is automatically a pure rhythm passer?

You often state your opinion as fact.

I also thought it was interesting in the Patriots Garoppolo video that you posted you hear the announcers comment, "and you have to feel worse about Garoppolo after today, even though that's a good play." Of course, this is a "highlight" video....

....so if you flipped a quarter 20 times and it somehow came up heads each time, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a two-headed quarter and will always come up heads.

I get it, he was afraid to throw deep and commit a turnover.

He is never going to have elite arm strength but I think he has enough arm strength to play in the NFL.

One thing I saw in particular was in his first start vs the Dolphins he started out terrible, a couple fumbles and an INT. But he continued to go back out there, show poise, and almost lead this team to a win. That doesn't sound like a guy who lacks confidence. You hear all the time you want a quarterback with a short term memory...

Not saying Kessler is the next Browns hall of famer, but I don't know that it's necessary to trade picks for Garoppolo at this time.

Yes the Browns went 1-15 and so now we must declare the front office as not knowing what they're doing. We need to go sign the latest and greatest free agents and trade for the best quarterback available.... only to become average again. I don't believe these guys want to be average and I think they need to draft some great quality players in the draft to achieve greatness. Not trade and sign our way to mediocrity. I would hope they stick to the plan...

A rhythm passer is someone who executes a passing game where the routes are linked to the depth of the QB drop back. The QB is asked to make pre and post snap reads to determine who, how and when to throw to throw the ball.

I have no idea what you mean by non-rhythm read and react passer, I've never heard of it before today so I can't speak to it.

Suffice it to say we see things very differently. I will leave it at that to avoid this turning into something else.

We can agree to disagree.
Cheers, no disrespect. I really enjoy talking football with you but at times we speak different languages

I probably like Kessler a little more than most on the board do. I was impressed as hell with his play this year .... a rookie thrown in after being 3rd string - behind a shaky OL with flux at Center and injuries to our OG's. I agree he lacks arm strength. I'm not in favor of rolling with him as our QB next year - but I wouldn't hate the idea as much as most would.

In our comparison of Garoppolo vs Kessler - I think it's unfair to compare rookie Kessler, thrown from 3rd string to starter in the space of 2 weeks to how JG looked in games after 2 seasons of NFL exposure and a preseason geared towards him starting week 1 in Brady's absence. . . . . I do think Jimmy is leaps and bounds better than Kessler as of today/2017... but what I think would be a fair 'comparison' would be to speculate how well JG would have looked starting as a rookie, week 3 under the same circumstances as Kessler. And while Garoppolo would no doubt still be blessed with a bigger arm and quicker release ... I am not at all sure he would have processed the game and read the defenses any better than Kessler. If there was a defining quality (or two) that I liked about Kessler - even under the worst possible preparation and situation, the game wasn't too big for him and he kept his head.

That said I'd still trade for Jimmy!

No bid deal Ed. Like I said earlier many of us use different terms to mean the same thing depending on where we learned to play football. I just use the terms my coaches taught me down in Mississippi.

To me a rhythm passer is one who executes passes on a timer. You will throw ball at x spot based on a presnap read(sometimes they key in on a defensive player post snap but timing is more important) in x amount of time.

Not trying to fight but just trying to explain.

A read and react QB does not care about the timing of your route. He gauges the defense and reacts to it by altering where he is going and what distance he wants to throw the ball. The WR know they don't have an assigned spot but just a route progression. The WR for this system focus on learning how to extend their routes in a predictable way so the QB can get to them later than the expected spot. The QB might even audible a change that indicates the route progressing changing from say a flat post(90degree) to an angle post (45 degree). Don't know if it's called something else in other parts or not but it's not a rhythm passer.

I mean to a certain degree all QBs have a certain rhythm but I view it differently when it's not their main focus.

Everyone needs to step back and ask the one question we should all be asking ourselves, how many games would we have won with Garapolo this past year? A lot more? A couple? No more? That would tell us how much better Garapolo is then Kesslar, if at all.

Did I not just cover that subject?

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Lol. Good one.

Irrelevant.

My responses thus far in the comparison between J.Polo and Kessler is not to say that they are equal just similar.

device dawg said: And I agree. They are similar types of QBs. They are "pocket passer" that can make some plays out of the pocket.

But to my eye Jimmy clearly has a stronger arm, cleaner throwing motion which helps him have a quicker release. I believe these are major factors that makes Jimmy a more talented version of Cody.

*break*

I don't think you can look at Jimmy's production in that offense, with that scheme, with that coaching and with those players and expect similar production here.

"I don't think you can look at Jimmy's production in that offense, with that scheme, with that coaching and with those players and expect similar production here."
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That is a accurate statement if he starting for the Browns today.

However, the roster today will not be the roster for 2017. Nor will it be the roster for the team as each year passes.

Garoppolo has to be looked at for what he is. What can he do on the field. It is up to the Browns organization to build the team around him.

There is no question about the importance of the quarterback position, but the roster is 53 players and you need talent all over to win titles.

If the number one pick is off the table and it should be. The question becomes if the number twelve pick were to have Trubisky, Watson or Kizer available would you take any of them over Garoppolo?

If the answer is no. Then there should be no issue in trading that pick for Garoppolo.

Really would be nice if he became the QB. As he has a lot of potential. Pats need to see that!

If the number one pick is off the table and it should be. The question becomes if the number twelve pick were to have Trubisky, Watson or Kizer available would you take any of them over Garoppolo?

If the answer is no. Then there should be no issue in trading that pick for Garoppolo.


Valid point, but what if another player at a different position is valued higher then all those QBs? For Example(And I'm just throwing this out there), Leonard Fournette? You can insert another highly rated player if you wish.

You can't just compare another position to a QB!

And what's this about being valued "higher" than a QB? Balderdash!

Everyone knows all QBs are given 5 extra ratings points over every other position..

And if despite that 5 point bump, a player at another position is still valued higher?

Well then you'd have some thinking to do wouldn't you.

What is the number one thing you want a QB to do?

You would think we could all agree on that but I don't think we do. Some of you might think it's to lead the team. Some might think it's to pass the ball. Some might think it' to adjust the play to the defense by being a game manager. Some might think it's to be mobile and make explosive plays with their feet. They are all valid while being different at the same time.

In my opinion the most important job of the QB is to get the ball where it needs to go and do it in a way that is reliable and effective. The number one way a QB does that is by passing the ball. Seems obvious so far right? I don't think it really is for some and I am not picking on anyone when I say that. So I am going to list what I look for when I watch the videos.

1. Ball Placement. At the point of delivery is the ball easily catchable and only catchable by the receiver. Nothing else is more important than this trait. If you can trust your QB to always put that ball in the one place it should be then you have a franchise QB. I am not talking about throwing it where the WR can get to it and in the general area but I am talking right into the hands of the WR with him able to not miss a step running his route. The how and why he gets it there is not as important as the simple fact that he CAN reliably get it there with consistency.

2. Vision. This influences a great many other factors. If he can't see the defense he can't read it. If he can't read the defense he can see the defenders to know where it's safe to go with the ball. He also won't see which WR are open to throw the ball to if he doesn't see the field well.There are three main types of Visual Readers.
A. Vertical Reader - Their vision reading is much like an ice cream cone. A very narrow field but often what they see in that field is very detailed and very accurate. Think of sniper vision. They are great for a vertical passing game. They tend to have 1 or 2 WR they like to lock onto to throw the ball to with few passes going elsewhere.
B. Horizontal Reader - Their vision reading is very wide and broad but is also very shallow. In short to intermediate routes they see about 75% of the field up to a depth of about 15-20 yards at a time. Hunters often use this type of vision as they stalk through the forest looking for signs of prey. These guys make for great WCO style QB's because they don't need to move their head a lot to see the full field. In many cases this type of vision can be trained up or improved to where you comprehend more of what you see but the depth never really increase due to the physical mechanics of vision. TE and HBs get a lot of passes from these guys.
C. Scanning Reader - These guys are VERY rare. They have both types of vision and can switch between them at will. Then are normally born with the ability but it can also be developed with a LOT of insane hard work. They often use horizontal vision to scan the field presnap then as the post snap dictates they narrow to vertical vision to hit the deep ball or stay with horizontal if they are doing a shorter pass. The thing is that these guys can choose what they do instead of making due with the vision style they are born with. It's not easy to find these guys but one way you can tell is that they spread the ball around all over the field. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are the two most obvious examples of this in our generation. Like I said it's rare air up there.

3. Mental. - This can be broken down to several factors but they all fit under this aspect. Information processing, reading the defense, willpower, and courage are the main parts to me.
A. Information Processing - How quickly can they handle the changes from presnap to postsnap and then quicker make a decision to deal with it. This is so extremely important for a QB. You can have all the skill in the world but if you can't process information you're going to turn into a statue and be useless. This can improve for many QBs as they become veterans but only so much. It's the number one reason you need consistency in your offensive system.
B. Reading the Defense - Do they know enough about defenses to identify the one being used against them? Can they read the tells that come from knowing when certain positions are lined up in X spot that a blitz is coming, etc. IF they study hard they can learn this one. If they can also process information well then as they become veterans they will react fast post snap too. There is no excuse to be bad in this field.
C. Willpower - Does this player have the personality to WILL his team to win no matter what. He never breaks and he never gives up. His WILLPOWER feeds those around him and keeps them focused and hungry to win. Tom Brady would be a nobody without his iron will to win. His team feeds off him like crazy.
D. Courage - He is simply never lets fear effect him whether he is scared or not. He shows this off by making that perfect pass even though he knows he is about to get NAILED! A QB can not function without courage. A great O-line really helps with this one though but trust takes time to build up.

4. Technique. If the player has good technique his throws will be delivered the same more often than not. The most important thing influenced by a QB's technique is ball placement and accuracy. It also affects their confidence and trust in their ability to get the ball where it needs to go. When you see a QB get injured and make a comeback you will see that they need time to trust their throws against because they are not sure if they are throwing in the right way just yet. As they gain confidence in their technique again they start to let it rip and press those tight windows with their throws. The good news is that technique can be trained. Sometimes it takes a bit of time to clean up a rookie's technique though so it's good when you find a prospect with existing good technique because it can take years to fix.

5. Arm Strength. - Ball velocity and distance are the two main things we worry about. Both are very hard to improve. Soft muscle gain can improve both to a certain degree but you won't turn a noodle arm into Brett Favre. The thing is though you can find a guy with a medium arm talent and turn him into a Tom Brady or Drew Brees arm which is more than good enough. Still it's easier if you can find a guy with an arm talent already built up. Also, most coaches have no clue how to improve arm talent so in most cases it's simply better to have a guy that has a nice arm to start with because getting lucky with a Tom Brady or Drew Brees type of improvement is going to be very unlikely.

6. Pocket Awareness. - Does the QB know where to slide in the pocket to buy more time? Does he know when to roll out, run, or just throw the darn ball away? It certainly helps when your QB is aware of the pocket well enough to not run off to early.

7. Mobility. - Can he throw on the run? Can he flat out just run with the ball. It's nice to have but if you build up the O-line and he has the other skills then this is almost never needed. Running QB's don't live long in the NFL if it's their main positive. However if you have a pocket passer who can tear it loose when needed then it really forced the defense to adapt to it. It's a high risk reward scenario. You're better off with a QB who is a pocket passer first and a runner only as needed in an emergency.


So anyways that is what I mainly look for when I look at QB. This entire post is MY OPINION but it's as close to fact on QB for ME as I have ever seen and always seems to hold true from my experiences.Take it or leave it as you will.

I always start off with intensely looking at where the ball finds the WR. Is it right in his hands or does he have to go find the ball and twist and turn to get it. Is the WR hit in stride? Can the QB drop the ball into a bucket and the WR keep going without losing a step? This type of passing ability is what makes or breaks a franchise QB.

In this draft Trubisky is the only one who does it reliably to some degree so I have hope for him but he is so raw right now IMHO.

Pat, Kizer, and Watson don't meet up to the standards. They are inconsistent and put the ball into bad situations too often for my tastes. Can they improve? SURE! I think they certainly can but it will take time. That to me eliminates them as a first round QB though. It will be fun to see how they are drafted and how their careers end up.

I challenge everyone to go back and watch more video. I will too. Pay attention specifically to ball placement and see if your guy grades well. I know I am still doing more work on Watson atm but I been busy so who knows if my opinion on him will change. Same with Pat for me. Kiser has been watched more than enough for my tastes thanks to the demands of my father to watch ND games bleh.

You all know I love Jimmy G. The main reason is that he has superb ball placement. It's easily one of the best in the NFL IMHO. I hope the Browns do what it takes short of the #1 pick this year to land him. He would radically change our win total all by himself in my opinion. If we get Garrett and Jimmy I think we go at least 8-8.

Some thoughts from Josh

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/02/josh_mccown_says_jimmy_garoppo.html#incart_m-rpt-2

There's a lot of points expressed in your last post. Some I agree with many I don't. But the post is too long and most of it is too off topic to reply in this thread...ie Trubisky, Watson etc....

So I will focus on your comments about Garoppolo. Beware: I'm not making any overarching statement about Garoppolo I'm responding specifically to one statement that you made. I am not denying that he has good ball placement. But he only has a two-game sample size. I don't see how anyone can reasonably support the opinion that he has easily one of the best ball placement in the league.

Very nice article so thanks for sharing it! Glad me and Josh see some of the same things since I am sure he knows more than any of us on here =)

Yeah there is plenty we don't agree on and it's no big deal.

Jimmy G. has had great ball placement all through college and when he has played in NFL games he has shown he still has it.

See the thing about ball placement is level of competition has zero to do with it. You can either throw it to the right spot or you can't. Not only can Jimmy do it but he does it consistently and has been for a long time. I think it's very easy to trust that this part of his game won't suddenly go away if he puts on a Browns uniform. IF they can keep him on his feet for 2.5 seconds then that ball is going where he wants it to go and going there the way he wants it to go most of the time. Sometimes he gets too excited and overthrows a deep ball from time to time but all QBs do that sometimes.

They, and I'm not trying to offend any religious people - but they can make themselves Gods here if they can get things right and make the right decisions in free agency and definitely the draft.

I'm very, very much so rooting for them. If there's a piece, limb or whatever on my body that I'm able to cross, I'm crossing it an hoping for the best.

It's time to move forward. Not a half step forward either, it's time for a significant movement forward. I'm not talking playoffs or superbowl, but I'm talking about entering each game with a mindset other than "how bad are we going to lose this one" or "how will we manage to blow this one" and etc.


I think, for once, I can speak for EVERYONE here, regardless of the opinions, when I say we're ready to go forward.