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This is also a great look at Garrett:

https://theringer.com/myles-garrett-is-a-poet-texas-a-m-49dd3a466fa9

I hope the "issues upstairs" rhetoric will now stop.

I dont say this lightly but garrett reminds me a great deal of Bruce Smith in the power, violent hands and discipline but he has that long lean and dynamic like a Deacon Jones. Kid is special and noone in their right mind passes on him expect for maybe a Browns GM.

Eli Manning literally told the Chargers he wouldn't need play for them.

Has won two SuperBowls, and will probably go into the HOF.

Myles Garrett jokingly asked the Cowboys to trade up for him.. NOT BECAUSE he didn't want to play for us. Because he'd love to play for them.

He will love to be the #1 pick and play for us too.

A LOT OF PLAYERS DON'T WANT TO COME TO CLEVELAND BUT ONCE THEY GET HERE THEY COME TO LOVE IT. NOT ALL BUT SOME. NATURALLY THE MONEY HELPS BUT SOME EVEN STAY AFTER RETIREMENT.

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS. NOT YELLING AT YOU.

mac, you still have not just come out and said: "I don't think Myles Garrett is a lazy player."

thats the big difference and why for me this is a nonstarter, he has never once said he wouldn't play for cleveland..sure what kid doesn't want to play for his hometown team...god some people look for any reason to trash a guy...He's easily the top guy in this draft, and every interview and quote from him has shown me he's a high character guy and extremely intelligent. If the browns pass on them, they all deserve to be fired

mac,

I'm with you, I haven't been 100% on Garrett either, even before the tape came out. I'm not quite as concerned as you are about the recent tape, but see other things on the field and in his production, especially on a game to game basis. Maybe you already answered this but, I am curious who you do like at #1. And #12

Mac, could it be he was afraid of getting hurt in his last college game? I'm not saying this was the case but it may have some merit. Other potential high picks sat out their teams bowl games. Just a thought.

It's been said, over and over, that Kansas State did everything in their power to play AWAY from him.

So even with his 1 credited tackle. He still effected the entire game.

Not a bad performance in my opinion.

But I'm not the one basing his entire draft potential on one game. Or one statement.

I don't know why your telling me all that. I said I was with you. I agree with you.

Good. That seals the deal, he has to be the pick.


I look around the net, and lots of people with lots of experience as GMs, coaches, scouts, etc. have Myles rated #1 by a large degree.

How do you explain that?

mac, are you saying that Garrett didn't play hard?

mac, I think you make a lot of crap up and have no clue about what kind of person Myles Garrett is.

The No Brainer of No Brainers ...

Draft the kid and don't look back .... he is a football player ....

Why u worried about mac ... i don't get it Vers ... this is the definition of insanity ... your doing the same thing over and over and expecting a diffferent result .... does your head ever get sore .... *L* ...

Mac.
Could you sum up your view on Garrett in a couple of sentences? I'm not sure what you are saying and I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Also, where do you rank Garrett as a prospect? (overall and at his position)

You didn't answer a question which imho is pivotal to this conversation. Where do you rank Garrett as a prospect? (overall and at his position)

Immaturity is subjective.

I didn't watch the video and only heard the drivel from viral media looking to make imho a story out of nothing during the slow time of sports media coverage.

I have no more questions about Garrett's immaturity impacting his performance then any other prospect.

I have. I would love to discuss any of his film because I believe it speaks for itself. And it speaks loudly. And his film backs up his production which is also outstanding.

In 2015 he was considered by many to be one of the best if not thee best defender in the nation. So if you're looking for improvement....quite frankly there aren't many places he could improve. And his run defense is actually an area where many think he has improved. PFF has quantifiable numbers to back it up, in case you think I'm just blowing smoke you can look it up.

In my view Miles was already one of the best edge rusher's in the nation in 2015 and in 2016 his production was nearly identical AND he improved his run defense WHILE playing with an injured ankle.

And we haven't even addressed his physical attributes which are almost JJ Watt freakish for his position. His physical attributes are Clowney+.

Neither do I. I don't know what motivates any player. From our vantage we will never know. Heck, NFL teams with all their scouts, psychologists and investigators struggle to find that stuff out.

I am still curious where you rank him.

From everything I'm hearing from the so called "experts" Garrett is the real deal. Time will tell if it's true but I feel we now have a D coach that will push him and be on his back to do his best. I didn't have much confidence in Ray Horton and none at all in Jim O' Neil. GW seems like he will get the most out of his players and I feel we are fortunate to have him here.

really like this kid.
2 Saw him last year as well as this year the idea that we could have all pros at three levels of defense would excite me.

Not sure but I think you are being a little hard on the kid. I believe at this writing he is only 20 years old and about to be worth 20,000,000.00 dollars a certain amount of immaturity is expected.

Garrett is a great football player, and I have been more impressed with him the more I have watched him.

He played through injuries, when he could have sat out so he didn't put "injured tape" out for this season. Regardless, even injured, he showed elite ability, drive, and talent. This kid never lets up. He is relentless, and that is what we need ..... players who don't give up, and who disrupt the opponent, even when playing at less than 100%..

Take the kid and plug him in. The thought of him chasing down opposing QBs for the Browns puts a huge smile on my face, especially when he would make Ogbah all that much better as well.

I saw one mock that had us taking Garett and Mahomes in the 1st. I would be far more willing to take a shot at a QB at 12 if we get the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft at #1.

I'd puke if we waste the 12 on anyone but Mitch or Jimmy at QB ... Mitch won't be there at 12 and I think it will take more than that to get Jimmy .... hopefully I'm wrong .... cause u take MG at 1 and smile from ear to ear ......

Then there's gonna be a lot of really talented football players available at 12 ..... no other QB is worth it .....

We can fill many many holes in this draft if the bafoons can get it right ... *L* ....

Garrett's production:This year:

SEC(in conference) play-3 sacks
UCLA(pac 10)-1 sack
UT San Antonio-4.5 sacks
Ranked opponents-2 sacks
Unranked opponents-6.5 sacks

Last year(much better)
In-conference-6 sacks
Non-conference-6.5 sacks
Ranked opponents-2 sacks
Unranked opponents-10.5 sacks

2014 season:
In-conference-3 sacks
Non-conference-8.5 sacks
Ranked opponents-2 sacks
Unranked opponents-9.5 sacks

I don't question the guys physical ability, but what I do question is where was he in the big games. The stats backup what I see on tape. I also think while he has gotten better against the run, will he be a bit of a one trick pony, strictly a pass rusher. I actually compare him to Charles Haley, which is good, I'd take a Charles Haley type. I just think J. Allen is just as gifted, albeit in different ways and at a different position, but equally as gifted. I think Allen offers more versatility with less question marks(for me anyways). I think he can play base DE, under tackle, and even NT at times, especially on passing downs.

For comparison here are Allen's stats:

2016
In-conference-5.5 sacks
Non-conference-5 sacks
Ranked opponents-6.5 sacks
Unranked opponents-4 sacks

2015
In-conference-8 sacks
Non-conference-4 sacks
Ranked opponents-7 sacks
Unranked opponents-5 sacks

2014
In-conference-3 sacks
Non-conference-2 sacks
Ranked opponents-2 sacks
Unranked opponents-3 sacks

2013
Don't think he played a lot this year
In-conference-.5 sacks
Non-conference-0 sacks
Ranked opponents-.5 sacks
Unranked opponents-0 sacks

Looks like he showed up more in the big games.

And now Solomon Thomas

2016
In-conference-5 sacks
Non-conference-3 sacks
Ranked opponents-1.5 sacks
Unranked opponents-6.5 sacks

2015
In-conference-1.5 sacks
Non-conference-2 sacks
Ranked opponents-1 sacks
Unranked opponents-2.5 sacks

Not as good as Allen but fairly close to Garrett as far as big games go. Plus I think he was playing out of position at 5 technique DE. I think he offers some versatility being able to line up at DE and rush from the inside too. He's not in the talk at #1 bur maybe #12.

Like I've said Allen at #1 and Thomas AT#12.

What would Garretts stats be if he was on Alabamas defense and teams couldn't focus on him?

How good would Allens look if he wasn't on Alabama and teams could focus on him.

Agreed. Gotta take Myles Garrett Number 1. Best talent in the draft at a very important position.

As much as i wanna solve the QB situation, if there isn't a great solution, you can't risk screwing this pick up. Garrett is the guy.

Daeshon Hall-4.5 sacks
3Jarrett Johnson-4.5 sacks
Kingsley Keke-4.0 sacks

There were other players at Texas A$M Garrett wasn't there alone. Going by the tape I've watched Allen was doubled just as much as Garrett. Teams had to, he was virtually unblockable one on one. Garrett was also double teamed, but I have seen tape where he gets blocked one on one, It didn't happen a lot but It did happen, more so then Allen was, IMO.

I don't know why people are so critical about the few on here who prefer a different player then Garrett, who I admit is the consensus pick for us at #1. I've never said Garrett would be a bad pick, I just prefer Allen and try to back my opinion up with what I see on tape and some stats.

If we dropped down and took allen I would not be upset. I think they are both great players.

That's cool, man. You have your wants, others have their's.

Ryan Anderson had 9 sacks, 19 TFLs
Reuben Foster had 5 sacks, 13 TFLs
Tim Williams had 9 sacks, 16 TFLs
Rashaan Evans had 4 sacks, 4.5 TFLs
Dalvin Tomlinson had 3 sacks, 5.5 TFLs

Plus a full group of former 5 star recruits in the secondary.

There seems to be a lot more fall off from Garrett at A&M to his surrounding players than there was from Allen at Alabama. They both get double teamed, but Allen doesn't get avoided/ran to the opposite side of the field with the same frequency as MG.

I like Allen, too, but Myles Garrett is a physical freak. He'll still be one even alongside NFL players. Allen will definitely fit in, but I'm not sure he's an upper echelon athlete. I'm curious to see how he tests.

Garrett isn't just an athlete, though. He's definitely a football player, too.

Garrett is a different dude, but I don't take that as a bad thing. So he'll be reading books and checking out museums instead of getting in trouble-it actually sounds kind of refreshing.

Also, I'm not sure how being honest makes him immature. He'd prefer to play in warmer weather, and he'd prefer to play for his hometown team. Sounds like most everyone I know.

I kind of get the take the DT first because there are more high end DEs, but there are no guarantees after our first pick. Take the best player (I'm looking at Garrett) and go from there. When our next pick is up, take the best player again.

From a traits perspective, I think MG has a pretty comfortable lead over the other prospects. He has production to go with it.

The wording was a bit choppy. It sounded like you wanted Mitch or JG or anything else was a waste....then I got it.


I agree. We can get a impact player at #12. My hope is a QB or two go before our 12th pick. That is only going to sweeten the deal. Hooker is probably gone, but Adams might still be there. That would bring another big smile to my face. I wouldn't be sad if we drafted that Badger O-linemen....can spell his name. Starts with a R, I believe. Just plug him at RT in wait to take over for Joe in 2-3-4 years.

I think Adams will be long gone. He'll be gone before Hooker too. Guy's gonna be a stud.