DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum so how do the Browns catch up to the Steelers ?

"Solid players" tend to get released, traded, or let go in FA when there are constant changes in the coaching staff and FO.

Thus, as long as the Browns continue to fire people almost every single year, they are destined to lose and no amount of false bravado and posturing is going to change that FACT!

Some deserved firing. Typing in capital letters while sharing your opinion as though it were a fact still only renders your statement as an angry hyperbole.

To think, I used to try and defend that guy.

Back to the thread: After deep thought, I think it may involve some combination of Rottehurler retiring, an act of God, and a QB.

But I don't want to catch them; I want them beaten soundly, please.

Sweet, had to look up Hyerbole...our coaching change over does stink, like the number of QBs is astounding, but some of our coaches were best available---even with worst ever record I think Hue MIGHT be the answer....GO Browns!!!!

Mac, if I recall Noll's first year in '69, he gutted the '68 team keeping only half a dozen players finishing the season 1-13. I believe Art Rooney was GM/Owner. Noll was the 14th HC. Prior to Noll, no coach lasted more than 3 years. Team was founded near 1933. Ask any Steeler fan none can recall their existence prior to 1970! Thank goodness the bumblebee jersey brings light to those dark days!

I do recall Andy Russle. I hated the Steelers, but Andy was a damn good player.

I just read or saw the title of this thread for the first time.
" So how do the Browns catch up to the steelers?"
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2. They are not trying to! The Cleveland Browns are not trying to catch up to the Steelers!

3. If what I say is so wrong, then Show me how the Browns are not acting like a triple A baseball club,

With not only some under talented young guys not good enough for the big time...

but also a couple of washed up ex major-leaguers.

Just like Bart Simpson described triple A baseball several years ago.
If the Browns would stop acting like a triple A baseball team, I'd have to stop calling them a triple A baseball team.

They want to catch the Steelers? Keep their own team together!

Consistently haven't since 2006.

Knight. you say

1. Keep Hue, No matter what.

I don't agree with this, I think the continuity is important, but I have no feeling that Hue will ever be the answer that Pettine and Farmer could have been.

In fact, as I was thinking about it, I thought if they even went so far as to bring back Pettine and Farmer, or even only Pettine,

If they did that "today"! I think the future would be brighter than it already is, as I think we have to wait for Hue to get fired for losing and wait until the next rebuild, and then hope that group

hope that group can get about 18 months of a foundation,

until we'd reach the point we'd be at if they even brought back Pettine and Farmer, Today!

But none of that is going to happen,

1.So I have to either hope that I'm wrong about Hue, who can't even give a backbone answer in a post game interview!

2. or admit that it's going to be another 2 and a half years plus, before this team reaches the point wherein you could argue they have a shot to win even "half" of their scheduled games.

I thought Dan Rooney took over later than that. I still like the Steelers back than when they got pounded!!

All I know is if I bought a team I'd be very hands on. It would take me a little time with a lot of hard knocks education.

I think people get so hung up on the textbook approach building a team. They forget there are so many ways to do it. I've always taken the approach the road less traveled bears the better fruit but at a higher cost. If you follow the lead, your view never changes. Doing what everyone else is makes it difficult getting the best choice.

Take a long look what Jerry Jones is doing in Dallas and Pete Carol in Seattle. I find it fascinating how both teams landed their QB. You don't have to agree with their approach, but it is dang hard discrediting their results.

Mac, in the current state define a real GM. Football changed because rules changed college football changed.

Today you have a real problem with kids lacking technique and knowledge. One advantage players have today is they are much more athletic. I think the NFL draft looks very similar to NHL. You must predict how players will develop. Sad NFL has no established development league.

I do think the term "analytical boys" is misleading. People are fooling themselves thinking all other teams haven't fully embraced. I believe the Browns have fallen way behind in analytics. It is why DePodesta was hired to help catch up. The analytical world in football, just like business, has become a major component getting a leg up on competition. I will bet more teams use Browns approach building a Front Office as oppose to traditional methods used just a few years ago.

As we watch Sashi keep close tabs on Chris Ballard in Indianapolis. Remember Chris has a leg up since he already has a franchise QB.

I doubt that. Joe Banner was one of the biggest advocates of analytics. It was he who hired Sashi. I think Farmer was a dunce who ignored such stuff, but there were guys in the building who believed in analytics.

While Farmer was in charge, I don't see signs he used analytics. Yea, they had analytics. A group not used grows how? Here is where I think we fallen behind.

It's good having real discussion again.

I'm not sure there is any more a vague and subjective term as "hands on".

This could mean anything from micromanaging every decision his people make, making decisions instead of empowering his people to make them, sitting in the weekly meeting just to listen, observe, ask a few questions to keep up with the pulse of the team.

Heck, he could go work the hot dog stand on Game Day or follow Swagger with a poop bag.

All of that could be considered "hands on".

Explain how Jerry Jones failed? Why is it wrong for any owner who is passionate not to be involved in his company? How many years does it take a new owner to learn the business?

I can assure you Kraft, Rooney, and Allen are very involved. Al Davis was very involved and had much success.

Haslam is learning just like any other rookie. It is pretty redundant but Jimmy is correct. You need to hire the right mix of people who can work together. Do to Haslam's inexperience. He didn't make good hires. They not only have to reflect his personality but also the business. Tall order when one lacks the business knowledge.

I know patients is a bad word. It is what it is.

Word out of Pittsburgh is that they may let Leveon Bell test the free agent waters.
If that's the case if this front office serious about turning this team around give Bell a blank check and weaken the Steelers and strengthen you

I think that quite a few people are not stating facts in this case.