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I wouldn't put any faith, stock or anything in him. He's a repetitive case of letting everyone down. That's all he knows how to do. I'd take Brian Robeski over him any day of the week. I'd take Vince Mayle over him. Heck, I'd convert Cam Erving to WR, and take him over JG.

JG = loser. Always has been and evidently, always will be.

That was before he was suspended for the entire 2016 season. His contract did not accrue service time, thus he in still under the final year of his contract.

The current rumor is that the Cowboys are going to cut Romo if they are not "blown away" by a trade offer.

I don't get that at all.

Isn't getting anything better than nothing?

I'm not sure but he might have a "no trade" clause in his contract.

Saying "if they aren't blown away" sounds better to their fans then saying "if Romo isn't blown away".

They probably want him to be able to choose where he goes. I know he and Jerry Jones are very close.

(Side note: The Cowboys are currently $12 million over the salary cap.)

Everything I've read has him listed as a restricted free agent this year not next. Where are you reading that he's still on his rookie contract?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000148425/article/nfl-free-agency-frequently-asked-questions

Josh Gordon played in sixteen games in 2012 (one accrued season), fourteen in 2013 (two accrued seasons), and five games in 2014 (not an accrued season).

Gordon has only two accrued seasons. He is still on his rookie contract.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GordJo02.htm

(I am done talking about Josh Gordon because he is irrelevant.)

We don't have to do anything with him. Leave him on the roster, on the bottom of the depth chart.

Releasing him will be giving him what he wants, and the people that are calling for his release sound way too spiteful to give him what he wants.

Found this on a google search for "is Josh Gordon a free agent" pro football talk.....it says he is

Because he won't be hitting the open market. Browns receiver Josh Gordon will be a restricted free agent in 2017, according to multiple league sources. ... His four-year contract will expire, but he won't be eligible for unrestricted free agency.Aug 24, 2016

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...er-2016-season/

Don't see how he could be.

He owes us two years. One year left on his rookie contract, and then another RFA year (where we can tender him).


I'm not sure I want him, but I don't think we cut him. The NFL Suspended him. Under a rookie contract you have to play six games.

That was the case last year, he was suspended before the season started, so I'd assume it's still the case.

It mentions something about him filing a grievance for 2014, but that it was dropped...so maybe that has some thing to do with it. Doesn't say who dropped it.

We can tender him this year, if we want to,he's restricted this year.

Practice squad? I am fresh outta trust meself.

Sorry. I know I said I wouldn't make another comment, but this information is just flat out wrong.

Gordon did not accrue a third season. He must do that in order to become a restricted free agent.

I'm going to disagree with you. I'm pretty sure Gordon dropped the grievence. He didn't have a case. We suspended him because he missed the walkthrough on Saturday to a game on Sunday. Looking it up, it says he was late to 5 or 6 team meetings, i assume this was one of them.


Is this the article you're referring to? Because it's Aug 2016. Therefore, since he was suspended all of 2016, it pushes it back another year. Read the article, they say that 2016 would be his third accrued year. He didn't play 6 games in 2016, so 2017 would be his third year

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...er-2016-season/



I'm not sure i want us to even look at Gordon anymore, but i'm telling you, we have his rights for one more season of the rookie contract. After that, he's a RFA and we can place a tender on him as such

That article was written in August of 2016, before Gordon was suspended for the entire 2016 season.

He didn't play last season, at all ..... he wasn't on the active roster last year ... at all ..... so he did not fulfill that year of his contract.

Gordon signed a 4 year, $5.1 million deal with the Browns back in 2012.

2012: 16 games - No suspension - 1st accrued season
2013: 14 games - 2 games suspended - 2nd accrued seasons
2014: 5 games - 11 games suspended - no accrual
2015: 0 games - 16 games suspended - no accrual
2016: 0 games - 16 games suspended - no accrual

Gordon and his agent were mad when the Browns suspended him for game 16 in 2015, because it meant that he did not accrue a year of service time, which would have advanced his contract by another year. The Commissioner had done Gordon a kindness by only suspending him for 10 games in 2014, because he would have accrued a year of service, if he had not been suspended for that final game. However since he was suspended, he never accrued year 3 of his deal. (at least as far as I can see in the CBA info)

If what I believe is true, the the only way Gordon would be in the 3rd year of his contract would be if he had won his appeal of the 1 game ban back in 2014, or if the rules have changed since then regarding the time necessary to accrue a season, or unless every reporter was wrong back when Gordon was suspended for the 16th game of 2014. . Given that he was suspended for the entire 2015 and 2016 seasons afterwards, I just don't see him winning that appeal.

So, I believe that his accrued time is for the 1st 2 seasons of his contract, 2012 and 2013. 2014 did not accrue a year of service time, at least as far as I can tell, because he was not ion the roster for at least 6 games. If this were not the case, he would be an UFA after the 2016 league year ends, when he returns from suspension. (giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will return) He would have fulfilled 4 years, and then, since he didn't fulfill at least 6 games in every season, he would have been an RFA last year, and an RFA when he returns from suspension.

From the CBA:

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/m...ru%201-5-15.pdf

Section 1. Accrued Seasons Calculation:
(a) For the purposes of calculating Accrued Seasons under this Agreement, a
player shall receive one Accrued Season for each season during which he was on, or should have been on, full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games, but which, irrespective of the player’s pay status, shall not include games for which the player was on: (i) the Exempt Commissioner Permission List, (ii) the Reserve PUP List as a result of a nonfootball injury, or (iii) a Club’s Practice Squad.

So, he either has 2 or 3 seasons of accrued time, and has either 1 or 2 years left on his rookie deal. He will be an RFA when his current deal ends, assuming that he is not cut when/if he returns from suspension. He will then be a RFA, because he did not accrue at least 6 games in all of his 1st 4 seasons.

That's how I see it, based on the information I can find, anyway.

Regarding the week 17 suspension in 2014:

Gordon grievance coming soon over Week 17 suspension | ProFootballTalk
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-17-suspension/

Per a league source, Gordon will soon be filing a grievance with the assistance of the NFLPA challenging the unpaid suspension for missing a Saturday walk-through practice before the regular-season finale against the the Ravens. The fight isn’t about getting the game check; it’s about getting credit for a sixth game in 2014 and in turn a year of credit toward free agency.

If Gordon loses the grievance (and if he stays clean for the next year and secures reinstatement), he won’t be eligible for unrestricted free agency until after the 2017 season. If he wins the grievance, he’ll be only one season away from hitting the market.

Throughout his career, Romo has been one of the better QBs in the league when it comes to NOT fumbling.

2014 Fumble Rankings

2013 Fumble Rankings

2012 Fumble Rankings

2011 Fumble Rankings

2009 Fumble Rankings

So I think that one of the links above kinda glazed over the conflict in interpretation. The difference, at least to me, is in the meaning of '4 year contract' and 'seasons accrued'. So I take '4 year contract' to literally mean 4 years long. I do this because people keep saying 'accrued season', which makes me believe that their is a major distinction between the two concepts. Or else why would they have such different vocab for both? I also see people 'in the media' saying he'll be a RFA, which also leads me to believe he will be a free agent this year. I think he will be an erfa however as he accrued less than 3 seasons with us. but that's just me.

Ytown is smarter than me

He did a much better job at explaining the same thing I've been trying to say.

ASSumed....know the old saying, with effort, best care, I thought he'd be ready....am I wrong....Go Browns!!!

I understand what your saying and how free agency works. I haven't disputed any of that. But every site I go to lists him as a RFA. Don't know how or why just that he's listed that way.

How do they count this season cause he was only suspended for the first four games the went to rehab?

He was not on the roster.

The places you are looking at are wrong.

So pretty much all the sites that list free agents?

Most of those sites can't adjust when he will be a free agent until he actually makes it back on the roster again. You can't adjust to a date when you don't know what that date is.

We do NOT need Tony Romo, he is NOT the answer...he's more brittle than RG!!!...JG/ maybe Taylor, or rookie for me...I could live with Kessler....GO Browns!!!

These sites don't obsess about Gordon's FA status like we do. We argued this Spring/summer 2016 when folks wanted to cut or trade him

Hell, I even got confirmation from Joe banner via Twitter at the time

I used to be a real CBA geek, before it fried my brain.

Well most of them didn't even post the free agents lists till after the playoffs started, so???

I'm not saying they're right but if they're wrong there is a lot of them that are.

NFL.com has him listed as a RFA. Posted it Jan. 12th 2017.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773113/article/2017-nfl-restricted-free-agents

So what is he??? Guess we'll see.Like I said I don't know 100% either way, but you guys seem real sure about, I have questions.

All of the players posted are from a database.

It's the only way you can keep track of all the players in the NFL. He shows as a RFA because that is the way it would be if he had been accruing seasons since the last time that they made an entry for him. They can't make a new entry for him until he starts accruing seasons again.

Just about to post a similar explanation. Those lists are not created by hand each time posted. They pull info from a database and can only go off the data that is entered.

Thanks, Dep.

j/c:

Dolphins releasing LT Brandon Albert

That's three new left tackles on the market in the past two days (the Jaguars and Jets didn't pick up their options on Beachum and Clady).

Could definitely help teams looking for tackle help and don't like the prospects early on in the draft.

Brandon Albert is above average right?