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This is a nice gesture for the fans after a disastrous first several years with Haslam as owner.

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Translation: We can't sell these damn things and people aren't renewing.

I'm aware of 3 friends whose companies are not renewing their season tickets that included access to the Draft Room and Cardiac Club.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
How cheap.


You can get uppers for only $495/seat. Obviously, other prices vary by location.

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How cheap.

The Browns said no season ticket prices will increase and that more than 90 percent of season tickets in the upper bowl will be decreased. Prices will drop from $5 to $15 per game, depending on location.


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How do you drop from $5 to $15.


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The ticket prices will decrease in cost anywhere from $5 - $15 per ticket.

For example: Original price $75/ticket - New Price $70-$60 per ticket.

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Uh........some tickets will drop $5, some will drop $15.

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Ohhh. Totally misread that.


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But do fans have to pay for the 'home' game in London?


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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.

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But do fans have to pay for the 'home' game in London?


No, but season ticket holders do have the option to buy tickets to that game.

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No doubt, last year you could purchase tickets for a family of four to a game for less than $20 on the secondary. At one point, lower bowl tickets were going for $13.

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I went once at the end of 2015 ... got two scalped tickets (section 108) for $10 combined


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But do fans have to pay for the 'home' game in London?




No, we won't. It will be based on a 9 game season v a 10 game season.

Pre-season counts as a game. I wish they moved one of those useless games. Even if I lived in downtown Cleveland I would probably pass, let alone living almost exactly 600 miles from the stadium.


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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.


Free will. My choice is to keep my seats. I like being a season ticket holder. I will support them win or lose. Not saying that you don't, but maybe you don't when you say you won't spend a dime on the team until they improve.

My feeling is every person in the Cleveland area should buy at least one ticket to every pro sports team in town, even if you don't like the sport.

Those teams bring a lot of money to the local ecomomy. Not just through taxes brought in for the city of Cleveland and county of Cuyahoga. How many people have jobs, some full time, some part-time, that rely on people showing up for games? Some work parking lots, cops private contract their services, tenders and wait people rely on a good tip night.


Don't look at it as supporting Mr.and Mrs. Haslam. Trust me, they have plenty of money. Look at it as your civic duty to support your Brothers and Sisters who need people to attend games.

Buy your ticket or two, go park, go hit a restaurant/bar before the game. Eat something, drink a few, then go to the game.


It does no good to boycott there at the stadium. That beer guy lugging a cooler around for 3-5 hours depends on you to buy a beer or Coke, and tip him/her a buck each time.

They are counting on YOU showing up. To me that is the essence of spending your money locally. Those folks in the front office, I am not talking about Sashi and people like that.....the ticket Mgr, the PR guy, the grounds crew, the stadium maintence folks etc, the audio visual people. They are all Clevelanders. Mr. and Mrs. Haslam are leaving a lot more money in the state of Ohio, the city of Cleveland, and the entire region...I spend my nights in Medina county most games. I do go out to eat when I am up there.


Nope, this idea of not spending a dime on the team hurts the local working guy and gal the most.


I don't think that is what you want, but the reality is that is what you are doing.


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They will re-coup this money elsewhere. Merch and other game day buys (official programs etc.) will go up in price. No idea if they make $ from concessions but, if so, they too will go up.

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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

It does no good to boycott there at the stadium. That beer guy lugging a cooler around for 3-5 hours depends on you to buy a beer or Coke, and tip him/her a buck each time.


Interesting note on that point, I have season tickets (40 game plan) to the Tribe and go to about 5-7 Cavs games each year. The vendor routinely in the section I have tickets in at Tribe games (it's the guy that yells "Beer guy, beer guy here" for anyone that frequents games), also works as a vendor for the Cavs. I noticed him for the first time at my most recent trip to the Q.

I said to him, "you work here too?" and he mentioned he works for the Indians in the summer and Cavs in the winter. Guy gets to see a lot of games!

Not sure how common that is for these vendors, but I thought it was a good idea on his part.

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It's the least Haslam could do.
Which is probably why he did it.


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Fairly common I suspect. The usher in charge of my section for Browns game also does the same at Indians games.

His name is Bob. Nice guy.


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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.


Free will. My choice is to keep my seats. I like being a season ticket holder. I will support them win or lose. Not saying that you don't, but maybe you don't when you say you won't spend a dime on the team until they improve.

My feeling is every person in the Cleveland area should buy at least one ticket to every pro sports team in town, even if you don't like the sport.

Those teams bring a lot of money to the local ecomomy. Not just through taxes brought in for the city of Cleveland and county of Cuyahoga. How many people have jobs, some full time, some part-time, that rely on people showing up for games? Some work parking lots, cops private contract their services, tenders and wait people rely on a good tip night.


Don't look at it as supporting Mr.and Mrs. Haslam. Trust me, they have plenty of money. Look at it as your civic duty to support your Brothers and Sisters who need people to attend games.

Buy your ticket or two, go park, go hit a restaurant/bar before the game. Eat something, drink a few, then go to the game.


It does no good to boycott there at the stadium. That beer guy lugging a cooler around for 3-5 hours depends on you to buy a beer or Coke, and tip him/her a buck each time.

They are counting on YOU showing up. To me that is the essence of spending your money locally. Those folks in the front office, I am not talking about Sashi and people like that.....the ticket Mgr, the PR guy, the grounds crew, the stadium maintence folks etc, the audio visual people. They are all Clevelanders. Mr. and Mrs. Haslam are leaving a lot more money in the state of Ohio, the city of Cleveland, and the entire region...I spend my nights in Medina county most games. I do go out to eat when I am up there.


Nope, this idea of not spending a dime on the team hurts the local working guy and gal the most.


I don't think that is what you want, but the reality is that is what you are doing.


I get what you're saying, but watching your team get blown out live is something where, someone like me who generally only has the smallest bit of free time on the weekends, is not something I'll waste my time, or money, on seeing.

If you think sitting there watching your team get spanked live, after watching them get spanked last weekend on TV, is fun, then you're definitely more a fan than me, or maybe you just have endless free time and the cash to burn. And I'd consider myself involved with the team and one of the bigger fans. But, it is what it is. We're a 1-15 team where the losing culture and etc is now being overshadowed by the success of the other Cleveland sports team. Everyone but the Browns seem to be moving forward. We're the only ones always in the "figure it out" stage while we never progress.

And its not like this is just last year. Or a few years before. It's a consistent losing culture. Call me a bad fan, a no fan or whatever, but I'm sticking by my word. They'll get not even a penny from my wallet until I see a simmer of hope. In not even asking for a playoff team. Just a team that you can be proud of.

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Cool. Like I said, I am not judging anybody on this topic. We all have to make our own decisions.

You are right, I do have the time, I am retired, and do have a pretty good reserve to be able to burn some for a good while.

Still, you can afford to go to a game a year. Really man, you can. If not, you need to dump your net connection and i will give you a seat to sit with me a game a year.


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Originally Posted By: PDXBrownsFan
They will re-coup this money elsewhere. Merch and other game day buys (official programs etc.) will go up in price. No idea if they make $ from concessions but, if so, they too will go up.



Just having more people shut will increase revenue from last year... Not need to increase any concession prices... Theoretically by lowering ticket prices you should have more people show up which means more concession sales.... Of course if you win then you will get a lot of people there...


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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.


Free will. My choice is to keep my seats. I like being a season ticket holder. I will support them win or lose. Not saying that you don't, but maybe you don't when you say you won't spend a dime on the team until they improve.

My feeling is every person in the Cleveland area should buy at least one ticket to every pro sports team in town, even if you don't like the sport.

Those teams bring a lot of money to the local ecomomy. Not just through taxes brought in for the city of Cleveland and county of Cuyahoga. How many people have jobs, some full time, some part-time, that rely on people showing up for games? Some work parking lots, cops private contract their services, tenders and wait people rely on a good tip night.


Don't look at it as supporting Mr.and Mrs. Haslam. Trust me, they have plenty of money. Look at it as your civic duty to support your Brothers and Sisters who need people to attend games.

Buy your ticket or two, go park, go hit a restaurant/bar before the game. Eat something, drink a few, then go to the game.


It does no good to boycott there at the stadium. That beer guy lugging a cooler around for 3-5 hours depends on you to buy a beer or Coke, and tip him/her a buck each time.

They are counting on YOU showing up. To me that is the essence of spending your money locally. Those folks in the front office, I am not talking about Sashi and people like that.....the ticket Mgr, the PR guy, the grounds crew, the stadium maintence folks etc, the audio visual people. They are all Clevelanders. Mr. and Mrs. Haslam are leaving a lot more money in the state of Ohio, the city of Cleveland, and the entire region...I spend my nights in Medina county most games. I do go out to eat when I am up there.


Nope, this idea of not spending a dime on the team hurts the local working guy and gal the most.


I don't think that is what you want, but the reality is that is what you are doing.


Dawg_LB: Did you even bother to read anything Peen wrote? Your on this "Team is not good enough for me" kick, while the whole issue is about supporting the little guy. Now we all pretty much feel like you do about losing, but we should try and help out all the others that are trying to make a living.


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I read every word. Looks like we're about to be Detroit then because last time I opened my eyes, free tickets weren't even being taken.

You guys want to twist it like I'm not supporting the team, and now not supporting the "city", then just go right on. Me, and a very long list of people, don't mind the fingers being pointed.

Get a better team, some stability and they could, you know... "raise" ticket prices then. Until that happens, again, not a dime from my wallet will be invested towards the team. If your best reason to go to a sporting event is to "support the workers", then you've defeated the purpose initially.

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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.


Free will. My choice is to keep my seats. I like being a season ticket holder. I will support them win or lose. Not saying that you don't, but maybe you don't when you say you won't spend a dime on the team until they improve.

My feeling is every person in the Cleveland area should buy at least one ticket to every pro sports team in town, even if you don't like the sport.

Those teams bring a lot of money to the local ecomomy. Not just through taxes brought in for the city of Cleveland and county of Cuyahoga. How many people have jobs, some full time, some part-time, that rely on people showing up for games? Some work parking lots, cops private contract their services, tenders and wait people rely on a good tip night.


Don't look at it as supporting Mr.and Mrs. Haslam. Trust me, they have plenty of money. Look at it as your civic duty to support your Brothers and Sisters who need people to attend games.

Buy your ticket or two, go park, go hit a restaurant/bar before the game. Eat something, drink a few, then go to the game.


It does no good to boycott there at the stadium. That beer guy lugging a cooler around for 3-5 hours depends on you to buy a beer or Coke, and tip him/her a buck each time.

They are counting on YOU showing up. To me that is the essence of spending your money locally. Those folks in the front office, I am not talking about Sashi and people like that.....the ticket Mgr, the PR guy, the grounds crew, the stadium maintence folks etc, the audio visual people. They are all Clevelanders. Mr. and Mrs. Haslam are leaving a lot more money in the state of Ohio, the city of Cleveland, and the entire region...I spend my nights in Medina county most games. I do go out to eat when I am up there.


Nope, this idea of not spending a dime on the team hurts the local working guy and gal the most.


I don't think that is what you want, but the reality is that is what you are doing.



No, those folks are not counting on me showing up, not even remotely so, and it is bass-ackward guilt-trip reasoning in even suggesting that.

They are counting on the TEAM showing up. They are counting on their EMPLOYER putting out a product good enough that people will want to pay for it. Build a crappy product, people don't buy it. Economics 101.


By your reasoning, we should just put the purchase of all season tickets and individual game tickets into the City of Cleveland taxpayer budget and have the city just foot the bill for everyone on everything.


but.... that's not how this works.


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No, those folks are not counting on me showing up, not even remotely so, and it is bass-ackward guilt-trip reasoning in even suggesting that.

They are counting on the TEAM showing up. They are counting on their EMPLOYER putting out a product good enough that people will want to pay for it. Build a crappy product, people don't buy it. Economics 101.




+1. ...could not agree more on this one. Some front office types rely on the guilt-driven "civic duty" stuff. rofl

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I guess we just disagree. To me, if you are a sports fan, you need to support your teams to some degree. If you are a fan of plays, you need to support local playhouses.

The product at the stadium is good IMO. To me, it isn't all about winning and losing. No doubt winning helps, but the event itself is a quality event.


When people say they won't spend a dime, what does that help? This isn't the same as saying you don't like to eat at some restaurant and won't eat there anymore.

The Browns are a part of the fabric that holds the community together. I just don't understand a football fan saying they won't support the team, because as I said earlier, supporting the team is supporting the community.

I am off my soapbox. In the end, we will all do what we want.


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I get what you're saying, and I understand & respect your view.... but for me there's a line. I simply cannot and will not blindly support completely unmitigated failure year after year.

If they can show me that there is reason for hope and expectations of respectability, I'll buy in. However, when they spend half a decade and more progressively getting worse and worse each and every season while floundering about, I have to withdraw my support until they get themselves righted. I can't fix them, and my money isn't going to change their path or choices.... they will either get it figured out or they won't. In the interim, I have a finite amount of disposable leisure time and money, and I won't invest them somewhere that I don't get any enjoyment.

If they can just give this community something to rally behind, people will be throwing money at that team like there's no tomorrow.


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If a resteraunt has bad food and terrible service, would you spend money there?

Would you spend money to go to a concert to see a terrible band?

Maybe if money is no object it's not a big deal. But with a limited budget, I'm going to spend money doing something more enjoyable than watching football that can barely win a game. Of course, in my case, if I want to go to a Browns game, I got about 400-500 in travel costs on top of a ticket. No thanks.


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I'd even go to FES more if the food was better ... it's some of the worst stadium food I've had. Nothing about my experience at games makes me want to return


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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I wouldn't consider purchasing any tickets, even if they slashed all seats by 90%. Need a better product before I consider doing that.

Heck, last year mid season all the way to the end, I was passing up on free seats. Haslam won't get a penny from my pocket.


Ditto. They could pay me $100 to go to a game and I would pass right now. My time is way more valuable than watching this awful product.


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