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Just remember Pro LTs are different than college LTs. I don't think Garrett good as he is will tie up 3 Pro linemen.

One thing that will be a big help to Garrett is he will be going against Joe Thomas in practice. He could do some serious damage against lesser LTs in real games.

Being the QB the most important position in the team, I never understood how taking the best QB in a class can be labled has a reach...

If we re-do the drafts, most of them would have a QB has the #1 pick.

I am not the biggest proponent of Garrett. I know what he is and boy is it rare and would be great to have but he isn't perfect. I haven't seen the fighting instinct I like in my edges that make them great technicians and ferocious finishers. It's one of those things that can't be taught. It's reactionary like a qb reading a d. It's the killer instinct. Doesn't mean he doesn't have it but in my hours and hours of watching him it doesn't seem that way. Also doesn't mean he can't be a probowler without it. He definitely can. And no that is not connected to the people who say he has a cold motor. That is not a concern to me. I say this for those who aren't as well versed in him as I am.

Now to put this in terms the less intense scouts of us will understand. Myles Garrett is the LeBron James of the nfl. Not LeBron now but pre draft lebron. Myles is the closest to a perfect prospect I've ever seen at his position. And yes that includes luck.

His build is perfect. His burst is perfect. His speed to power is perfect. His character is perfect. His work ethic is perfect. If you could build a person to play edge for you it would be myles head to toe. No one has ever compared. Not even the freak whom people like to compare. Some players have one or two of these attributes. I've never seen this many in one player. And then he's productive too?

Now because he's close to perfect doesn't mean he is. His run defense improved greatly this year to near top at his position he needs to continue that. His hand work is raw and his biggest concern imo though most out of college are. Barnett is a freak in his own right in that regard. Most polished rusher I've ever studied.

Simple fact is the nfl has never seen a defensive prospect this close to not just perfect but insane. Before myles I didn't even think someone as large as him would EVER move like that. And he plays the 2nd most important position. He may have flaws but when he is on there isn't a single player in the nfl EVER that could go from RE to the qb faster. Think about that. Ever. And he's not just a good kid but a transcendent human being. He inspires people with his character.

Another comparison. I'm sure you all remember Calvin johnson? Freakiest athlete I'd ever seen. 6'5 235 4.35 40. Agile. Powerful. Quiet lunch pail type. Myles isn't unlike him (different positions of course). Except myles is primed to pull the same combine numbers at 265 that Calvin had at 235. Can you imagine Calvin johnson being a pass rusher but with 30 extra lbs? Myles is insane.

People are more than welcome to have their opinions on passing on him or trading down, taking a qb etc. But do it while knowing what I've now said. A lot of people don't seem to understand what he is so I hope this helps.

j/c,

Joe Thomas has seen this movie before and we have all witnessed it too.

Remember when the media and message boards where ready to sell the farm for RG3?

How quickly some forget.

The years all run together, that was a few years after Brady Quinn was the most NFL ready QB in the draft right?

Interesting take from predator.

Good to see he has done his homework on the guy.

Most of what I have read(not seen) seems to go along those lines.

If he is all that then I go back to to my original choice.

Get Garoppolo and take Garrett.

The Browns have to address the quarterback position. Secondly they need impact players. Elite pass rushers are golden.

The Calvin Johnson comparison sold me. I lived in Atl. when Calvin was at Ga. Tech. He was something else.

All the recent quotes coming from Hue basically spell out he is going to get a quarterback. It doesn't sound like he is talking about a third rounder.

So, if the Browns take Garrett at one. And if the Browns really want one of the top three; they will most likely have to move up from 12 to get "their guy".

Trading up from 12 to two would be very costly. It would also be very risky considering that the top three QB's are considered to be a reach.

Considering all those factors logic points to making the trade for Garoppolo.

Which of course means it will never happen.

Thanks guy I tried to lay it all out there. I'd be 100% on the myles train if it wasn't for Barnett. If you haven't done your homework on him I would highly suggest it. They're very different but I have Barnett as my 2nd highest grade for edge since von. It's just a great position for us.

Thanks guy I tried to lay it all out there. I'd be 100% on the myles train if it wasn't for Barnett. If you haven't done your homework on him I would highly suggest it. They're very different but I have Barnett as my 2nd highest grade for edge since von. It's just a great position for us.

man Barnett isn't even in the same stratosphere as Garrett in athleticism, Garrett is pretty much the unanimous best player in draft . I see a greater chance of him busting than Garrett. .he lacks the one thing you need at the NFL level DE spot and thats explosion, which Garrett has in spades. He's got good strength and usually takes a direct path to QB, but he's not someone I'd pick over Garrett. He's going to have to have a hellevua combine and I think he will and move up boards due to his strength which is impressive, but I take Garrett first pick, unless we can move down and get Derek around 12ish.. question then do you make Garrett a LB and keep Barnett opposite Ogbah as DE's

I'd like Both Garrett and Barnett. How much better do you think our current corners would become if we had both of those guys clobbering the QB play after play?

After one quarter you'd have QB's going to the sideline telling their coach they don't want to play anymore.

STRENGTHS: Twitched-up athlete with the burst off the ball to blow past offensive tackles as a speed rusher, as well as the disproportionately long arms to keep blockers from grabbing hold of him. Terrific balance and bend to dip under the reach of blockers and scrape the corner. Fluid change of direction, allowing him to project nicely as an edge rusher, spy on the quarterback or when dropping into coverage. Anticipates cut blocks and pulling guards, showing excellent body control to spin free from contact while keeping track of the ball. Good vision and motor for pursuit, often running 15+ yards downfield to get in on tackles even after initially rushing upfield. Active hands to slip blocks even when his initial speed rush is contained, incorporating swim and rip moves frequently. Shows good hand-eye coordination to slap away the ball from unsuspecting quarterbacks while still being blocked, as well as the explosiveness and timing to knock down passes at the line of scrimmage. May just be scratching the surface of his athletic potential. Recorded a 10.58 second 100 meters in his first year of running track during high school.

I definitely want the Browns to draft Garrett, but I think they really do need to upgrade the secondary. I think multiple investments are needed in that unit.

I don't think Barnetts quick twitch is anywhere near as bad as you seem to think it is. It makes quite the difference that he's coming out in the same year as the best athlete to ever rush the passer. But boy can that guy fight. His hands and technique are unlike any I've seen at the college level. He may not have the ceiling of Garrett but he's the better player day 1 imo.

Everybody is on the Garrett wagon. It is understandable. He has great physical tools.

However, in the games I have seen I see inconsistent effort. There is no doubting his talent and maybe he is the number one talent.

But when I watch Solomon Thomas; the determination on this guy is special. He has great hand movement and strength. He plays with leverage. You watch the ball and this guy shows up. He seems to get in on every play.

We have the picks and free agent money to upgrade the talent.

My "major concern" is can this staff pick the talent???

From reading different resources (the ones linked above plus other articles) and watching bits and pieces of LSU film, it stands out that the two things a Chavis defense relies on are aggression and discipline. They will try to play on the offense's side of the line of scrimmage and get to the ball, yet if they are facing a mobile quarterback (like Johnny Manziel), they will remain disciplined and play to contain. He teaches smart football, versatile style, and pure fundamentals. Ideally, focusing on those things will keep players in position and allow them to make the plays that are there, which will limit big plays. True to form, LSU this year was #2 in the nation in allowing the fewest plays of 10+ yards.

I am curious to your rationale regarding 269 lbs. Michael Bennett is 274. Jabaal Sheard is best with his hand down. He's 265. I think Jared Allen was listed at 260 or so. Those are just a couple named off the top of my head.

I may not have been joking about taking Barnett, but wasn't totally serious either. I think Ogbah made nice strides as the season went on and we started playing him at end and forgot about making him a backer. I also think that Williams will light some fires. I am good with Garrett and Ogbah. I think it could blossom in to a nice 1-2 punch.

Bleacher Report: Now that you've studied this class more closely, who is the one guy we in the media are overrating?

Scout: All the quarterbacks. They're terrible. I wouldn't want to put my job on the line for any quarterback in this class. And to think about taking one in the first round? No way. I'm sure someone will do it, but it's mind-blowing.

The Cleveland Browns have an opportunity to quickly reverse the fortunes of a downtrodden franchise with a spectacular effort in the 2017 draft. The team has five picks among the first 62 selections in the draft, including two first-rounders (Nos. 1 and 12 overall), which puts them in a position to add a handful of blue-chip talents to the roster. While most of the pre-draft chatter will focus on the quarterback position and why the team should trade away its picks to nab a potential franchise QB1 (Jimmy Garoppolo or another intriguing veteran), I believe the Browns would be wise to focus on the strategy of acquiring "BPAs" (best players available) in each of the first three rounds.

Let me explain ...

When I studied the 2017 Pro Bowl rosters, I discovered that 72.1 percent (62 of 86) of the players were selected within the draft's first three rounds. More specifically, 52.3 percent (45 of 86) of the players on the rosters entered the league as first-round picks, with 20 former top-10 selections. Given how that information validates the thought that the league's top players are mined in the draft's early rounds, the Browns must make sure their grades match the expectations of their top players.

From a grading standpoint, top-10 picks are expected to develop into Pro Bowlers and rank within the top five players at their respective positions early in their careers. First-round players are viewed as impact playmakers/immediate starters with the potential to rank as top-10 players at their positions early in their careers.

Second- and third-round players are expected to be key contributors during their first few seasons before becoming quality starters for the team. With players selected in the fourth through seventh rounds viewed as developmental prospects/special-teams contributors, the Browns would be wise to focus all of their efforts on acquiring a handful of great players instead of putting all of their eggs in the franchise quarterback basket.

Why would I say that?

While a young quarterback like Garoppolo would certainly energize the fan base as a sign of hope, the fourth-year pro has only played in six NFL games with two starts and is far from a sure thing at the position (see Brock Osweiler). He has teased us with his talents in limited action, but are we really sure that he is the next best thing at the position based on what we've seen from other backups in his position? Remember, the Patriots' offense continued to roll with Garoppolo's backup (Jacoby Brissett) in the game.

That's why I believe the Browns would be better served to build up the rest of the team with potential Pro Bowl players than trading for an unknown commodity at quarterback. Yes, I know there aren't any sure things in the draft, but this draft is loaded with promising young players and a solid scouting staff should be able to find some blue chippers in the opening rounds.

Of course, this is easier said than done and Browns fans are certainly witnesses to the flip side to that equation. But the best way to reboot the program is to take a homegrown approach (draft and develop) and allow the nucleus to grow together. If the Browns can make the right selections on draft day, there's no reason why the Dawg Pound can't rock again with a core of future Pro Bowlers leading the way. -- Bucky Brooks

Remember, the Patriots' offense continued to roll with Garoppolo's backup (Jacoby Brissett) in the game.

Extreme exaggeration, bordering on blatant lie.