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So it's not enough that you've had like 5 threads about the FO, now you've got to turn a draft thread about Myles Garrett into one?

Please keep this discussion where it belongs and quit spreading it on the board like a bad case of the measles.

So far Tab, we have no idea if last years draft was "a solid foundation".

I'm certainly not claiming that it isn't, but so far the jury is certainly still out.

Give it a couple of years when these players mature and let's see how much they improve before we go making such claims, okay?

*LOL* ... thats a good one ....

Ok ...

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good video with Willie McGinnest and Daniel jerrimiah talking Garrett

I am certainly not backing mac in this debate, but are you sure about that?

Apologies that was prior to allowing 6 contracts to expire. Still one of the top but that's not what I said so consider my point invalid. The do your homework and troll elsewhere can still apply though.

It's cool to hear Willie McGinnest talk about Myles Garrett, because I see a pretty good comparison with the two.

Father, Son? LOL

#57 for Myles? 95 might be ok, too.
When you have a clean shot at a difference-maker, possibly a generational talent, you take it.

mac, this is your agenda. I disagree with your opinion.

You are miss quoting me,I did say weakest. not weakness. He made a big jump this year in that department.

Thanks for sharing. McGinnest says that Garrett plays w/a high motor.

Wonder if mac, dean, and a couple of others will stop questioning his effort, motivation, etc now?

Nah, probably not.

Why can't we have our own opinion on the guy? And all I've ever said about him is that while watching THIS years tape I saw him take plays off. I also said I did not see it from his 2015 tape. I then questioned whether the ankle bothered him more then was reported. Wow do you really like to spin what others say.

I don't have a problem w/others having their own opinions. What bothers me is when posters put out false information and then others believe it because they "read it somewhere."

You know, one could say that all players "take plays off." But, when a guy's motor, effort, motivation is repeatedly questioned, the accusations should at least be accurate. And I will continue to defend Garrett when he is unfairly criticized.

I've read all the posts on MG with great interest and it has led me to ask this hypothetical question. If the Patriots were picking #1 in this draft instead of us who do you think they would take? They have been much more successful than us and have no glaring needs so I would think they would take BPA. I think they would take MG. JMO. What do my fellow posters think?

I don't know, but Garrett is the overwhelming consensus number 1 pick by almost everyone who reports on such things. The term that keeps coming up over and over again is "...it ain't even close..."

I believe I said that in college a lot of players take plays off due to being run into the dirt at times by coaches cause they are the best player on the team.

I haven't tried to persuade you or anybody from their own opinion of a guy. And I have said all along that Garrett wouldn't be a bad pick just that I prefer Allen. I Just have some minor, very minor question marks about Garrett that I don't have about Allen. But you seem to believe that I don't like the guy. That's just not the case.

Mike Mayock and Phil Savage have both stated that either Allen and Garrett are worthy of the #1 pick.

I've also gone on record that I think the pick will be Garrett.

I was just telling someone this over the weekend. I remember when the Bengals let it be known that they were taking Carson Palmer in advance.

I be the NFL would HATE it if teams did this regularly. Less drama.

I've read on this board that we just drafted a "bunch of guys" and no impact players. That may be true but every team has some impact players and a "bunch of guys". So this year we are in position to draft impact players especially on D. Maybe we did it backwards but it really doesn't matter. It now matters that we have an "A" draft and a good FA period. If we do this team could be very competitive very soon.

Didn't Myles Garret publicly say he didn't want to play here?
( It was a couple weeks ago, not sure I recall correctly, but I sure don't want any player who already doesn't want to play here, before he even joins the team)

I don't like Garrett, he had a bad bowl game.

I may be wrong, but sometimes I'm right, and I put almost 90% stock in how a player did in their bowl games, or big rivalry games, if they can't, won't or don't do it there...
I can't expect they're going to do it in the NFL.

I may be wrong, but sometimes I'm right.

If the Browns "do" draft Garrett, I'll be disappointed, but can't say I didn't expect it.

If the Browns "are" going to draft Garrett, Then LET'S GO GET BUSY WITH IT ALREADY, YOU'VE GOT THE #1 OVERALL PICK, what are you waiting on
You can start negotiating the contract, no need to smokescreen.

No he did not. He stated way back in Dec. that he wanted the Cowboys to draft him. His Boyhood Team. He since has stated that if the Browns draft him that is fine, he will play for whom ever drafts him. Says this whole thing was blown out of whack. Just more fake news by the media.

It's simply "too early to tell" about last years draft. In four years, it could be only a couple of them are actually contributing. We simply don't know yet. That's all I'm saying. Neither of us can see into the future Tab.

If we ignore the offense we could really go a long way towards building a dominant defense from this draft. Then next year you go all out offense. Meanwhile you grab what trades and FAs you can on offense to bide some time till next year. Nothing wrong IMHO with signing a guy to a big one year contract and say show us you can get it done and we will get you paid.

I quoted the parts that exemplify points that it seems you agree with.

Every draft pick in the NFL has the "opportunity to grow". That doesn't mean we can see into the future to know if they will.

We can all imagine what players will become, yet that has no impact on whether they will develop into what our imaginations projects.

All I'm saying is that it's no slam dunk that last years draft will set up a foundation for our team to build on. It would be nice if it does and it's quite possible that it will. It's also quite possible that it won't.

It's simply too soon to say with either certainty either way at this point. Now I'm not trying to project past failures on the current FO, but if history has taught us anything, it's that we can't make some projection as to how positive a Browns draft will be in the future.

Every year every team looks to improve at every position. To even try to project that half of last years draft is a building block for the future doesn't even seem close to realistic.

You can't look at average career. You have all kinds of players who play in 2-3
games and their NFL career is over..