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Hey 40....check out what is happening to the local economy in Palm Beach, FL when Prez Trump flies down. They are saying just since Dec. they have seen a huge impact of small businesses as they have to shut down the airport and a major thruway. Imagine this impact over 4 years? Many small businesses are requesting the White House allow for the airport and the thruway to not be closed but, have had no answer so far. So, the man who wants to talk about the economy is actually having a huge negative impact on one local economy.

Add to it....apparently he was holding a briefing w/Japanese PM about North Korea in the dining room w/regular public present! When questioned about the security issue he said they were just discussing their upcoming press briefing. This seems no better, arguably worse, than Clinton using the public server for her emails which you Republicans lost so much sleep about.

So? When the President comes to Atlanta they shutdown the freeway. Suck it up buttercup.

Problem is "buttercup", he doesn't go to Atlanta every weekend. He has been to Palm Beach five times since December. He will also continue to go there as he has a house/hotel etc. there. Small business owners are very worried and rightfully so.


http://www.npr.org/2017/02/17/515753028/...-and-businesses

President gotta be kept safe, Murica counting on it.

Somebody threw a rock at Trump today and that ain't no Buttercup, Buttercup!

It was probably a small business owner from Palm Beach! The irony is....those folks probably voted for him and now have their livelihoods in jeopardy because of his frequent visits. Which, by the way, we, the taxpayers are paying for!

We can take it out of his Presidential salary which he doesn't take.

We can also take it out of the money he donates to the National Treasury from any profits his businesses make in foreign countries.

Quit whining.

The Dilbert Man: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157358914491/imaginary-news

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Imaginary News

I think we can all agree that there has been plenty of fake news coming from both sides. Fake news is usually intentional, although in some cases it is the result of honest mistakes. But lately we are seeing an entirely new type of untrue news. I call it Imaginary News. Here’s a good example from the Huffington Post.

[pictures of interesting Trump faces on Huffington Post's website with the headline '77-minute meltdown']

I watched President Trump’s press conference with the alleged “meltdown,” and all I saw was Trump talking the way he normally talks. The Huffington Post watched and apparently saw some other set of circumstances. That means we have three possibilities to consider:

1. Huffington Post saw the situation accurately while I was hallucinating.

2. My version of events is accurate and Huffington Post hallucinated.

3. Both the Huffington Post and I were hallucinating.

When I was younger, I would have automatically assumed that I was right and the Huffington Post was either intentionally lying or deluded. My more mature understanding of the world is that most people are hallucinating most of the time. We live in our own personal movies. This is a perfect example. Millions of Americans looked at the same press conference and half of us came away thinking we saw an entirely different movie than the other half. Many of us saw Trump talking the way he normally does, and saying the things he normally says. Other people saw a raving lunatic, melting down.

Those are not the same movies.

So how can we know who is hallucinating in this case? The best way to tell is by looking for the trigger for cognitive dissonance. In this case, the trigger is clear. Trump’s unexpected win forced the Huffington Post to rewrite their mental movies from one in which they were extra-clever writers to one in which they were the dumbest political observers in the entire solar system.

You might recall that the Huffington Post made a big deal of refusing to cover Trump on their political pages when he first announced his candidacy. They only carried him on their entertainment pages because they were so smart they knew he could not win.

Then he won.

When reality violates your ego that rudely, you either have to rewrite the movie in your head to recast yourself as an idiot, or you rewrite the movie to make yourself the hero who could see what others missed. Apparently the Huffington Post chose to rewrite their movie so Trump is a deranged monster, just like they warned us. That’s what they see. This isn’t an example of so-called “fake” news as we generally understand it. This is literally imaginary news. I believe the Huffington Post’s description of the press conference is literally what they saw. If you gave them lie detector tests, they would swear they saw a meltdown, and the lie detector would say they were telling the truth.

There are two clues that the Huffington Post is hallucinating and I’m not. The first clue is that they have a trigger and I don’t. Reality violated their egos, whereas I was predicting a Trump win all along. My world has been consistent with my ego. No trigger. All I have is a warm feeling of rightness.

The second clue is that the Huffington Post is seeing something that half the country doesn’t see. As a general rule, the person who sees the elephant in the room is the one hallucinating, not the one who can’t see the elephant. The Huffington Post is literally seeing something that is invisible to me and other observers. We see a President Trump talking the way he normally talks. They see a 77-minute meltdown.

I’m writing more on this topic in my upcoming book.

"We can", "We can"....so many possibilities but, just like the "I will lock her up" spiel on HRC...it wont actually happen and you know it. Kinda like the release of his taxes. So, instead of pointing out Obama's use of tax dollars look at your knight in shining armor's use of tax dollars. Otherwise your own whining about Obama falls very flat.

You really should quit defending Trump so much as his ultimate fall from grace will be detrimental to your health. You wont know what to do with yourself.

Trump has already filed for the 2020 race and is holding rallies! WTH?

Did he forget that he already won 4 years? Time to be a President.

I seriously doubt his mental ability to comprehend anything at this point.

Yeah.

Cause, Obama didn't ever do that, did he?

Wait, Obama was on a 7 year campaign. Maybe even 8 years. That seemed to be his forte. Actually, even when he was in the senate.

But, I get it. Trump has an "R" behind his name, so it's different.

Obama had a campaign rally a month into his term?

Don't remember that.

Pence: US 'strongly supports NATO'

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/02/18/pence-munich-security-conference-nato-sot.cnn

at least somebody in the WH is saying sane comments. as much as i disagree with virtually everything pence stands for in politics, at least he sounds presidential. ya know, like an actual adult.

40 will probably still defend his savior while criticizing Obama in the same breath but, if he is going to post things about how much it cost taxpayers for Obama let's not ignore the projections for Trump. I include a few articles from three different sources just to verify the claim that this will impact all of us tax paying citizens. So 40, while you stomp your feet about Obama's travel expenses...take a breather and look deeper into what is happening right now and how it play out over 4 years. Also, convincing yourself that he will pay for it is very naive:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...r-a7586261.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...m=.1007d29d0bf8

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/costing-fortune-protect-trump-family-062440454.html

You don't see how comparing how much Obama's actual tab to Trump's travel in only 30 days isn't a particularly honest comparison? 40 would be 100% right in defending Trump on this because you've already condemned Trump for some thing he hasn't even come close to doing yet.

FWIW I have to say I'm a bit surprised by you PDX. For someone who wrote an awesome post the day after the election, you've taken quite a partisan stance against Trump. I didn't expect you to ever support him or even like him, and I wouldn't even be one to chastise you or anyone for not "giving him a chance" . I just thought the criticism would be more substantive.

This issue may gain substance one day, but I think it should at least have a minimum of 6 months of data before we start declaring "trends" with any certainty.

From everything I've been reading on this board, partisan has been a two way street.

Well yeah. I picture it more as a 2 way street, everyone's drunk and crossing the center line... makes for some nasty head on collisions.

Partisan has been a two way street. Not denying it. Regardless if he and I agree on something, I've generally enjoyed PDX's perspective on things and have found him quite informative. I just don't see something like this as being within that standard I'm used to seeing from him.

But that's just my unsolicited opinion. I know I'm no one he or anyone has to answer to. He could tell me to go pound sand and I'd be alright with that.

A new Center for Immigration Studies report suggests that President Donald Trump's wall along the U.S.-Mexico border could save Americans nearly $64 billion over the next 10 years if it stops half of all expected undocumented immigrants.

The study also estimates that each American citizen pays about $75,000 over their lifetime to account for illegal immigration costs.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/18/ce...ump-border-wall

I had hopes that once the guy was in office maybe, just maybe, we would see a different side to his narcissistic ego. However, we haven't. From his various executive orders (esp the Travel ban, which was thankfully stopped by the judge in WA), to some of his appointments he has made: DeVos and Bannon in particular, to the temper tantrum at the press and on twitter and all the "Russian scandal" hoopla....and these are only some things I have taken the time to list. Quite simply put...this man is NOT fit for the job of President of the USA. He isn't. I firmly believe that and I am FAR from the only person who sees or believes this. John McCain may well be the person who saves the Republican party from disintegration and, he may well be the man who saves the US from this fake admin. I honestly, in my heart do not see Trump being the President at the end of this term. I truly feel he will be impeached.

So yea, I have changed my tune since that long post simply because I see nothing substantial nor positive coming from this President. This country is more divided, more intolerant and more angry than it ever has been and we are only 3.5 months since he was elected.

I believe it has been more like this.

Glen Greenwald of the Intercept and a constitutional lawyer had this to say about your Democratic party: "The party has collapsed as a national political force," Greenwald said, adding that in addition to losing control of Congress and the White House, they are one state legislature away from allowing Republicans to hold unilateral Constitutional conventions, which require support of two-thirds of the 50 legislatures.

MAGA

yo Fish what's your thoughts on Mattis?

only dude i like on the Trump team, bro

I read that after he retired he made a national tour to meet with the relatives of every soldier killed while under his command to share his condolences (I believe it was on his own dime). My respect for the General went off the charts after that. I believe he will do a fine job and thank you for asking Swish.

Fair enough.

Your blaming Trump for how divided this country is? ... WOW ..... thats incredible ...

The key thing u said .... your thrilled the travel ban was lifted .... and thats fine ... its your opinion .... problem is there's a lot of folks that wish some sort of travel ban was put in place until we know what the hell were doing ....... thats a difference of opinion that DIVIDES US ..... Trump just gave us a voice ......

same with the illegals and the wall ... I'm sure your against that .... once again .... a difference of opinion with no middle ground .... once again Trump gave us a voice ....

The country has a serious difference of opinion on issues that have no middle ground and have both safety and economic ramifications neither side is even remotely close to agreeing on ....

Make no mistake about it ... there is a serious divide in this country ... and its over legite differences of opinion that there really is no compromise for ...

Am i missing something? ... if so .. please enlighten me ....

Trump had a great huge rally this weekend and his base is stoked.

That and a cup of coffee will give you a cup of coffee; so Trump is therefore meaning less. Somebody needs to explain to Trump that the election is over and he won, not everybody loves him or will and it's time to lead.

Sadly, he will never get out of his own way long enough to lead the country.

I'm tired of fighting over rather he is a good president, person or human being. I think he sucks at all of the above and many of you think he is the second coming of Jesus/Reagan.

So far he has deepened the divides, raised taxes on middle class homeowners, tried and failed to "ban Muslims", and attacked the hispanic community with immigration enforcement all in efforts to keep promises to his base.

His administration is infighting and jockeying for power positions, he's losing his not so fanatical supporters, and he is attacking the media, intelligence community, the judicial branch, congress, all opposition at every turn.

His speeches are egocentric, narcissistic and non-presidential. He is ill informed, lacks the desire to educate himself on even the smallest topics relevant to being president, and very reactionary/knee jerk in response to all issues.

I truly think Donald Trump thought being president was similar to becoming emperor and his word would by divine right become the law of the land. He is either very dumb, mentally not sound, or a tyrant; none of these bode well for America.

I hope that by the time those who support him realize what they have done that this man has not done irreparable harm to the country. His slashing of regulations with little regard to what they actually do, his handing over of power to big business, his divisiveness and his infantile need to have the approval/accolades/praise of others are a very dangerous mix.

Babysitting the President is now the focus of the other branches of our government. Limiting the harm he causes, interpreting his actions or statements into some sort of mentally sound meaningful legal presidential action, and reassuring our allies we are still strong has become the top priority of our government. This is beyond concerning.

But hey, Trump had a great huge rally this weekend and his base is stoked.

Yes, you did miss something. If you are talking about and worried about your safety....We are divided on guns. You and I both have more of a chance to be shot by another American than we do a jihadist. FACT.

But, a lot of people, do not want to do anything about the insane gun laws. In fact, many want more people to own guns. Yep....we are definitely divided on that because I honestly cannot wrap my head around how nonsensical that argument is. I am sure you will come back with an argument about it. Same ol same ol....the spin goes around and around and people continue to die in the thousands (tens of thousands). Not by muslims but, at the hands of Americans. FACT.

And there u have it ... thanks for proving my point ...

I am fully aware that the odds of me being killed by an american are greater than that of me being killed by a jihadist .... i get that ... i do fine thinking all by self ... 1 + 1 = 2 isn't a problem for me ......

I didn't belittle your opinions ... u trashed mine ... guess your problem is that I don't think like u ... I'd apologize for that but I'm not sorry for having my own thoughts and I certainly have no problems standing up for them ....

As for our disagreements ... i just picked the top two ... I'm sure its a real long list ... once again ... proving my point ....

I thought Trumps rally was wonderful. It was classic Trump going directly to the people and around the Media and Establishment agenda to delegitimize his Presidency.

His supporters understand full well as he challenges the establishment, the establishment fights to retain the power they have enjoyed. The illegal leaks from the intelligence agencies and the FBI, the Media throwing out false stories without proof to see if anything sticks and the ingrained bureaucrats and Judiciary appointed by the Left within the government, all cling to their power and to the agenda.

Trump will succeed by pointing out the tactics of the Media, who have become nothing more than an opposition party, by investigating those subversives within the intelligence agencies illegally leaking secret information and continuing to speak directly to the American people.

Trump only needs to continue his hard working style while working with the Republicans in Congress and time will take care of the other problems.

Like the little old lady at the rally yesterday, holding up her little sign, "I like him." I am also pleased.

I am also pleased at the fact the First Lady walked up to the mic to introduce her husband and said, "Let us pray." She then proceeded to lead the audience in the Lords Prayer.

Once you get over the hysteria of people wanting to own firearms and look at the data, you realize how little gun laws have to do with homicide rate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volo...m=.35feacf8cb48

The title-- Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws-- is mostly accurate, but it actually goes a bit further. As they break down in detail, there is actually a very slight positive correlation between state gun laws and intentional homicide rate. That is to say, more gun control, more murders (normal caveat of correlation does not imply causation applies.)

Maybe you say that gun laws must be enforced nationally because guns can be driven across state lines, but I don't think there is any evidence that would lead to the outcome you think it would. Take Switzerland-- similar gun culture as U.S and has one of the lowest intentional homicide rates in the world.

Many countries with very strict gun control laws have very high intentional homicide rates. There are some counterexamples as well.

If you try to use gun laws as a way to explain murder rates, you're going to end up awfully frustrated. If you want true understanding, you should focus your research on people rather than the guns.

Related/background information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Scroll down, order the rate from high to low (or low to high); see what you can come up with.

Tens of thousands?? OOoooh... how scary

You criticize others for being concerned about being killed by a jihadi because of the statistical unlikelihood that it will happen. Are purposefully ignoring the same statistical unlikelihood of you being killed with a gun by another American?

THIS is why there's such a divide. Your side calls for "Open and honest discussion on race/guns/etc" yet you guys come to the table with purposefully misleading and flawed premises.

I'll break it down:

1) You start by attempting to de-legitimize your opponent's position by minimizing it expressed in terms of a percentage chance (or in this "likelihood"). And of course you would, because the percentage is such a small number.

2) But when you move forward to put forth your position and compare, you don't use the same standard or expression. Instead, you express it in terms of TENS OF THOUSANDS!!! That's because it makes your position appear to be more dire... but also it's where you try to get the conversation in to the realm of "emotional thought". This is such a common tactic of liberals because you can't argue with emotions. It doesn't make your side any more correct. What it does do is now allow for the shaming and ridicule to follow if your opponent doesn't give in.

Because when Diam attempts to downplay your ten thousand number, the next thing that will be said about him is that he's cold and heartless and wants innocent people to die.

It's in the playbook!

Apply this to ANY major social or political discussion in the country.

I get that people will have different viewpoints and opinions, and will bring different information to support their position. THAT is what debate and discussion is supposed to be about. But the premise has to be as close to neutral as possible and I don't know why liberals in particular see that as such a threat?

So two things that I don't think enough people are paying attention to:

1. I find it really surprising that some of you guys who claim to be history buffs haven't realized something major: we've seen this situation play out multiple times throughout history.

What is that situation? Questionable elected leaders with extreme criticism of the media, as well as claiming that reputable mainstream news outlets are "the enemy of the people". those are Trumps words.

We've seen this movie play out, and we seen how it ends. Don't know about you guys, but it's obvious that we have extreme problems right now.

2. I have to honestly say.....shout out to Fox News. With regards to Trumps attacks on the media on a regular basis, trump tweeted essentially a hit list of news outlets he deemed fake news and enemies of the people. And Fox News has came out and not only defended these outlets, but blasted Trump for getting upset that the media as a whole is only doing what they've done to every other president throughout history: report and criticize our government as needed.

I find it highly questionable and quite frankly disturbing that our president is pissed at the media for doing their jobs.

Maybe if he actually did his effectively, he could bring the heat off of him.

But no, conservatives thinks this is somehow a good character for our POTUS to demonstrate?

History has an odd way of repeating itself.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

- George Santayana, original quote form.

You insult all Americans and America herself.

We are better than you suggest and our system is superior to your allegations.

If we're so great, why do you think we need to make America "great again"?

Nah, you insulted America when you voted for Trump.

I'm pissed too ... that SOB getting mad at the media simply for doing their jobs ... they are just doing there jobs ... he needs to leave them good folk alone ...

Its not like they've brought this on themselves by lying or decieving the public about him .... they've just been fair with him ... how dare he ...

Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaaa ...

I just wonder what took him so long ... *LOL* ...

Dude, I didn't trash nor belittle and if you think so, I will man up and apologize. I simply stated a fact but, also a passionate belief of mine regarding gun laws. I also wouldn't expect you to apologize for standing up for your thoughts. However, you shouldn't expect me to not stand up for my thoughts/beliefs.

Look this all just goes around and around and around. There is a divide, clearly, but there is also more that probably unites us than divides us. Do I feel strongly and passionately about stricter gun laws....yes I do. Do you feel strongly about the right to own? Yes you do. Are we at opposite ends of the spectrum on that issue? Yes, there is a great divide between us. Do I want to live peacefully, happily and respectfully as a productive member of this society? Yes, I do. Do you? Of course you do. There is no divide there.

Oh, and we are also united for our love of a lousy football team.

So there is some unity and I am sure there may be other beliefs/likes/dislikes that unite and divide us.

Point is....I will be honest, I am exhausted from the politics threads and have been for awhile. I need to bow out as things do just spin and go in circles with no real conclusion or resolution. Not your fault, not mine. It is just the way it is w/online discussion. We could have similar disagreements over a beer but, I am sure things would also have sort of resolution before we left and went our separate ways. Online is just too easy to stomp one's feet and I am plenty guilty of that. So, I own up to playing my part.

But, I am done w/the endless circle of politics and political disagreements in here....I just need to use this site for football or the occasional music/camera or whatever thread. That's what I have to work on when I log-in here.

Cheers and Peace.

Funny, if the press lies and deceives you, it's a big deal. If Trump lies to you and deceives you, he's doing a great job. lmao

Sweden asks the U.S. to explain Trump comment

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-asks-u-explain-trump-sweden-173118073.html

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The Swedish embassy in Washington has asked the U.S. State Department for an explanation of a comment made by President Donald Trump that suggested there had been some sort of security incident in Sweden on Friday.

The U.S. President was speaking at at a political rally in Florida on Saturday when, in connection with the mention of a need to keep the United States safe, he said: "You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden.

"Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

Trump did not elaborate on the Swedish reference, leaving many Swedes baffled.

"We have asked the question today to the state department. We are trying to get clarity," said Swedish foreign ministry spokeswoman Catarina Axelsson.

Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom apparently responded on Twitter with the remark “owing to certain circumstances", followed by a passage from her speech in parliament last week on Sweden's foreign policy.

The passage read: "In 2016, ‘post-truth’ was named Word of the Year by Oxford Dictionaries. Both functioning democracy and constructive cooperation between states require us to speak with, and not about, each other, to honor agreements and to allow ideas to compete. They also require us to respect science, facts and the media, and to acknowledge each other’s wisdom.”

Many Swedes on Twitter mocked Trump's remark using the hashtag #LastNightInSweden.

Former Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt also took to Twitter, saying: "Sweden? Terror attack? What has he been smoking? Questions abound."

(Reporting by Anna Ringstrom; Editing by David Goodman)
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Rip the victims in bowling green, as well as the victims in Sweden on Friday night.

And did you see what Godzilla did to San Fran in 2014? Trump voice** sad, very sad!!!

It takes courage to grow up and
turn out to be who you really are.

Tomorrow 46 will tell us how Alex Jones proved that Sandy Hook ended up as a dramatic play with child actors.