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So what do you do this year? Go w Kessler? I mentioned some good QBs who will be in next years draft. If some of those guys were in this draft, I would be looking to draft one at #1.

The clock is now ticking very loudly in Buffalo...

Tyrod Taylor medically cleared, putting $27.5 million decision in Bills' hands
by Jared Dubin
Feb 22, 2017

Back in December, Buffalo Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor visited a specialist that determined Taylor needed surgery to fix his injured groin. At the time, we noted that it was important for Buffalo that Taylor get the surgery as soon as possible, because he is due a huge roster bonus on March 11, and if the Bills want to cut ties with him (as is expected), he needs to pass a physical by that date.

Apparently, he has now passed that physical. Per ESPN.com’s Adam Schefter, Taylor has been medically cleared by the Bills.

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Bills' Tyrod Taylor, who has $27.5M option bonus due March 11, has been medically cleared from last month’s groin surgery, per team source.

Taylor currently has a cap hit of approximately $15.9 million for the 2017 season, per Spotrac, but only around $2.85 million of it is guaranteed. If he is still on Buffalo’s roster after March 11, though, he is due a $15.5 million roster bonus, and $12 million of his 2017 base salary and $3.25 million of his 2018 base salary become guaranteed.

The Bills are widely expected to release Taylor instead of paying out that money, and getting him medically cleared was an important step in being able to do that, because his contract contains an injury guarantee.

*LOL* ... poor Jill's ... they have nothing but BAD CHOICES at QB ... they don't have a good option ...

At least we have a tone of GREAT DRAFT PICKS and a ton of cash ....

Because I respect your opinion.

I've mentioned elsewhere that I don't think Taylor has one element of his skillset that is NFL caliber. I would be more content with actually going with RG3 (who I see has having somewhat of a possible upside), and Keller, drafting defense, and letting the chips fall where they may in setting us up for a QB in the draft next year. When EO mentions band aid quarterbacks, I think he's right, but I don't think Taylor compares with any of them. Band-aid quarterbacks set us back -- sometimes years. If RG3 played within himself, like Taylor does, and he had Sammy, McCoy and company, he would do well. Taylor is focused and a good guy. Other than that...

Who is this Keller person you speak of..

I think Edromeo's perspective is really informative and has a lot of football knowledge. Please don't try and discredit people who are spending their free time breaking film down and educating us non-football people.

Thanks.

Diam...Not to be a jerk but......DAVID DAVID DAVID and *cough* Brady *cough* Quinn

HEY .... none of that crap ....

BRADY BRADY BRADY

If your gonna do it ... do it right ... *LOL* ...

U may of wanted to hold off on the Thanks ... *LOL* ....

Here's a good compromise ....

U continue to read ED who educates you and you enjoy reading .... win/win ... always a good thing ...

U don't read me anymore so i can feel free to post how and what i want within the rules of the boards and are in this case the FACTS ....

Sounds like a good deal to me ... U get to do what u like and u can enjoy the board and i get to enjoy the board the way i see fit ....

What do u think there Lurker? ... work for u? ... i sure hope so ... *L* ..

*as he's shrugging his shoulders and in a question like tone* ... your welcome ...

Sorry I'll try to do better!

A better bet than this year.

You have to let the draft come to you. You can't try to force things. If we need another bridge, then bring him in. I don't think RGIII is going to be kept on the roster.


I don't want 3rd rate QBs either. Please understand that. You should know that by now. Some years back I got hammered by many, including you, because I expressed that opinion in Couch threads on numerous occasions.


If I HAD to take a QB this year, I'd take Watson, but I sure as heck wouldn't do it at #1. At 12, well, I might moan a bit because I then know we are married to him for a while.


The problem is we need impactful players now. Plyers who can start and do well early on.

The bottom line is this: The team needs to increase win totals. The FO and owner knew last year was going to be bad with a total strip down. We are going to see a few different things this year.


We are going to be fairly active in FA signing a few vets, and we are going to win more games this year. We need to post up some wins. Especially at home.

And, we are going to draft a few players at the top who can impact games.....and a rook QB isn't one of them.

JMO

Aw, dude! Why'd you bring that up??!! I was saving the Quinn card for when diam bashed my QB evaluation skills....

To each their own, I'm not advocating that Browns choose any one QB in particular. They all have their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to their fit for the Browns.

I try to avoid hyperbole so I find your comment that you don't think Tyrod has one element of nfl skillset funny.
But if that's how you feel, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I of course disagree with your opinion on Tyrod.

I agree that Griffin still has some potential upside. But he has to stay healthy. I know its an unpopular opinion (based on reading this forum and occasionally listening to Cleveland radio) but I don't think Hue is going to give up on Griffin after 1 season. Everyone likes to bag on Griffin, but aside from the 1st game after his return from injury I thought there was an uptick in his performance especially in the Chargers and Steeler's games.

I believe that Hue still believes in Griffin just as much as he did at the beginning of the season. Griffin's injury was unfortunate but I don't think it brings a conclusion to an unfinished development. I think most coaches that believe in QB development aren't in a hurry to draft a QB early. The same way a Shanahan WCO isn't going to draft a RB early. They believe in their ability to develop that position.

It's probably the least popular opinion but I think next year the QBs will be Griffin, Kessler and a rookie draft prospect (probably in the later rounds). Maybe that's wishful thinking from someone that still believes that if Griffin can stay healthy for 16 games he will change the perception/narrative about him/his play.

RE:Griffin/Tyrod

I think Tyrod is further along in his development then Griffin. I think both still have both room and ability to improve as disciplined and decisive rhythm passers.

If the front office is committed to building a team, then this makes sense. If we get lucky with #12 and Hooker, Adams, or a couple of the other top defensive prospects fall, then we can make a big jump in building the talent level of this team. It looks like #33 could be a very valuable pick, there could be some nice players available. If we avoid taking a quarterback (or trading for one) with any of these picks then things get interesting. Packaging 33 with another pick to move back into the first is a possibility. The question is, for who?

If we have a plan, and don't bite, then next year's draft...

Any thought of Jimmy G. lasting until our second pick of the second round is a pipe dream now. I was hoping. So much for that.

Tyrod Taylor? Heck Mike Holmgren drafted Brandon Weeden. Hue gave Wentz away. Anythings possible.

Toward the end of the year it seemed that people were so burnt out from the losing that no one really discussed how much different the team looked in the last 2 games against 2 top 10 defenses.

Philosophically I think you need a complete team to be competitive for the division and challenge for a superbowl. That process requires offense, defense and special teams. A QB is an integral to the success but you also need the other pieces.

I also believe that the most dependent piece of the puzzle is the QB. I firmly believe you cannot have a "franchise QB" on a bad franchise. I also believe producing a franchise QBs follows a cycle. Before that QB can 'carry' the franchise the franchise 1st need to carry and develop them. If a franchise cannot build the pieces to facilitate the development and success of a young QB then I don't believe that QB can achieve their full potential. Having a potential franchise QB in place before the team built doesn't allow that QB to play/look their best.

From my standpoint looking at this team from a talent standpoint they are not even close to being a QB away. I don't see the need to the desperation to have that potential franchise QB in place tomorrow when that QB most likely won't win and may not even be able to show the signs of being a "potential franchise QB". Its kinda like the difference between how Dak would look on this team vs how he looks on the Cowboys.

I think you use the resources acquired to build the team offense, defense and special teams. Continue to develop the QBs you have and draft another QB to develop. One of the benefits of having a HC known for their work with QBs should be the ability to develop a QB without having to pay a premium for them. I think using the last 2 games a building block and knowing Griffin's skillset I think he can still develop.

I don't have anything against Tyrod as QB like you do. And just a quick thought on one of the key aspects of his game that I like. Bill Walsh: In fact I think his arrow points up same with Jimmy G. But I can see where signing them wouldn't necessarily fit what I think their plan will be.

JMO on the QB topic. I feel that none of the QB's coming out this year is worth a high pick so why reach? If one happens to fall to us in the 2nd round fine. As for JG if we can get him for a 2nd this year and maybe a 3rd next year do it but no more because I'd rather try and draft our own guy and develop him. Let's face it, we should be better this year but I doubt very much we will be in the hunt for a playoff spot. We may still be picking in the top 10 next year maybe even the top 5 when the QB class is suppose to be much better. Let's draft our impact players this year especially on D and bridge the QB position until next year when we can draft someone better. Again JMO. Thoughts?

I mentioned some QB in another thread if not this one.

Nexts years qb class looks strong. I could see trading down out of 12 to pick up another 1st rounder next year.

j/c:

A couple of thoughts after reading some of the recent posts:

--I do not believe in taking a qb high in the draft if he isn't worthy.

--I do think that if there is an available guy and you think he is a "franchise" type of a qb, you gotta take him. I don't believe you have to get all the other parts in place and then take your qb. You get one when you can.

--I don't think Dak gets enough credit for what he meant to the Cowboys. People always talk about their OL, but how did Weeden and Cassell do behind that OL. Dak plays smart. He is athletic. He has tremendous poise. He is a strong guy and can make all the throws.

--I think that the differences between Jimmy G and Tyrod T are immense. Jimmy G processes information faster. He is way more accurate. He has a quicker release. He reads defenses pre and post-snap much better than Taylor.

I really think there are parts to this post that are great.

It almost seems that you might agree with me that if Hue were coaching four years ago, then the whole manziel thing could have possibly turned out much different. But, I'll save that for when I want to [censored] everybody off and add some life to the board.

Like I said, "great" and then I kinda felt punched in the gut. When we are talking Tyrod and you bring up Walsh....

I have what would be considered an almost complete library on Bill Walsh. I'm not saying I am an expert or anything, but I have read almost everything available, some more than once -- more than twice.... I Have revered him for over 30 years. Walsh was sooo demanding of his QB's. I don't see him taking the time to try and work with what Tyrod has. Griffin or Jimmy, now that's another story. I quiver thinking what Walsh and Holmgren could have done with those two.

Great post anyhow.

Same here. I even have one of his most sought after and hard to find books....Finding the Winning Edge.

From what I've read, Bill he was the consummate coach and like most QB "gurus" likes I think Bill would probably love to work with them all. I think Tyrod has many traits that meet the criteria of what Bill looks for and I especially think Bill would have a fondness for Tyrod's ability to improvise.

After seeing what Reid was able to do with Vick in 2010 I've always wondered what if Bill had him........Steve Young 2.0 but I digress

Good convo either way.

From Finding the Winning Edge pg 130-131 (Evaluating Players QBs)

"Finding the winning edge" is one hell of a book. I always wonder why Paul Brown didn't see the genius that was Bill W.

That's comforting.

There are those who would say that Paul knew and felt threatened. There are those who would say once Paul got bitter, Walsh was one of the casualties of a mean, ol grump.

There are more than two sides to every story.

Paul was a football genius. He found a prodigy that was actually smarter than him. He trained him well. He s*rewed him over. To toughen up a weakness to make him great? To demean someone he saw as a threat? Those two and a bunch of other things together? Who knows? Probably all that and a lot more.

The two boys selling the team to Modell really messed him up.

You know what's funny? This board seriously undervalues the effect of coaching on the game. But... our teams era of dominance, the guy whose name the team has, comes from a coach who was years ahead, and significantly better than any of his colleagues, and any other coach who had ever lived, up to that date.

A great indicator of how good Paul Brown was, although he was years ahead of any other coach out there, when Jim Brown showed up, he completely undermined his own affect, for the team. He changed the offense. The classic line: (paraphrase) When you show up to a gunfight, and you have a cannon, you might as well use it. Proved he was the master of the team. It gave him even more credibility. Paul Brown was smart enough to put his ego aside. He continued to evolve as a coach. Coaching vs. Talent... without good coaching, talent is often neutralized.

In addition to be light years ahead of his contemporaries, Paul Brown was a great leader and team builder. He was a fighter. Bill Walsh fits that same description.

Hey, let me tack this on.

Paul Brown actually delegated play calling duties to Bill Walsh. And there is evidence that he actually referred to him for the calls, and his decisions.

How does that bode for our current Head Coach being player caller, Offensive Coordinator, Head Coach, PR Face of the Franchise Guy, Personnel decision maker, Team Builder...

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Not sure if there are more, but I see you have posted one for Taylor and one for Jimmy G.

I think that is a terrible way to measure how good/bad a qb will be and that such charts should be ignored.

It's literally just comparing measurables.

Whatever someone infers from that is there own problem.

Tyrod Taylor: Could he fit with the Browns? A film breakdown Updated February 25, 2017

No disrespect, but man, I see this as a highlight reel, not a film breakdown.

I learned my lesson a long time ago about highlight reels.

The blocking on every one of the clips I watched was beyond great. The defense -- horrible.

Still not convinced on Tyrod.

Tyrod leads that team to the playoffs if Rex doesn't complete screw up that defense.

Tyrod lead a team with back to back top 3 seasons in rushing, and took care of the football . i'd love to have that here.

Marty Schottenheimer on line 2. Marty on line 2.

If Cousins and Garoppolo are off the market, then Taylor is praying he gets cut.