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Me too, thats why we need Jimmy G.

Those spread guys are such a hard evaluation.

A little off topic but this raises a question.
Let's say we trade #33 to NE
They have the last pick day 1 and the 1st pick of day 2

Could they wait until day 2 of the draft to make the selection of pick #32?
They have 10 minutes to make the pick before the next pick can jump them.
But that team is them, and that next pick isn't until due until 10 minutes after day 2 drafting starts.

Very interesting I have no idea. Might be a loophole

Oxymoron. No trading down until round three. Get what you came for.

Roger Goodell would take it as a personal insult (and he might not be wrong.) ESPN would discuss it ad nauseum, and call it "Delaygate."

And Tom Brady would get suspended 8 games.

Yeah, you take Garrett and don't even think about it. Make the most out of the other first round pick. I'm on board also with keeping our second round picks and spending them.

We need talent now, not more future slots for potential talent.

I pretty much agree, with 1 caveat. If this is not the year we solve the QB problem, getting another 1st rounder in 2018 increases the chances of scoring one of next year's better choices. I definitely don't want to trade away #1, but if trading other picks gets us an '18 first, I think we should consider it.

Is next year's draft class for QBs supposed to be rich or something? I ask only because I admittedly don't pay much attention to the college realm outside OSU.

... but, food for thought. Do you really think, given our state last year, we won't have another very high round pick? With that, we could always wheel and deal and trade UP for a QB.

I'm not budging from #1 and Myles.

I would consider trading back from #12 if it netted us a 2018 1st.

Depending on who's available at 12 also.

You'd have to trade back to probably 23 or more to get a 2018 1st out of 12. People don't seem to get that

That is what I was trying to say.

So we still get a first round talent, and a first next year...

You make it seem like it's a bad thing.

This year is perfect. The trade down people and the stay put people can both be happy.

There are 2 California kids that will be eligible to declare who look very promising. Josh Rosen (UCLA) looked great as a true freshman in 2015 but took a step back last year. He has been billed as the next Luck. Sam Darnold (USC) was a RS freshman last year. Max Browne started the year as Kessler's replacement, but struggled and was replaced by Darnold...who subsequently lead USC from a PAC10 afterthought to a Rose Bowl victory. I watched him play in 3-4 games and was VERY impressed (I'm not an expert.)

Baker Mayfield has made a case for consideration on the field, but was recently arrested for being a drunken idiot.

There's also a kid most haven't noticed from Cincinnati, Hayden Moore (another RS soph.) Gunner Kiel was supposed to be an option this year, but after leaving ND to make room for Kizer, he lost his starting job in Cincy. In 2015, when Kiel was injured in the Memphis game, Moore stepped in and (in my opinion) out-played Paxton Lynch at the time when Lynch was playing his best.

My point was trading only 5 spots from 1 to 6 for example would net more than twice as much as moving twice as many spots down from 12. Meaning moving from 1 nets your roughly 4 times more value as moving from 12. Simple analytics

That doesn't take into account that trading back from #1 loses the value of Myles Garrett.

Yeah, I think a lot of these analytic posts only take into account so much. A lot of them tend to only focus on the first round and flat out ignore the rest of the draft and prospects, which is fair since we know so little at this time, but it's kinda short sighted. That's just my opinion though.

It does actually. Or is myles a qb?

We aren't discussing anything other than 1st round...so why would it? Your post is either very vague or has no point. Could you please clarify

That's the problem and that's the point. I literally say that in the post.

We would all probably give the front office an A++ if they could swing this but I just haven't found a situation where a player @ 12 would be that enticing to someone in the 20's

maybe a situation where the top WR is available @ 12 and we could make it happen.


... and yes it's only because I would like to "fight on" w/ Darnold

So the player you're passing on only matters if they are a QB?

I am tired of watching this team trade down only to watch a player they could have had, have a really good career or better. I think we need to keep our first round picks and take the best players for our team.

That's a good point, but.

Everything people had on Wentz was good. You mention the main issue, we couldn't project how it was going to carry over to the NFL. In the combine, and on the Gruden show, Wentz once again, really looked the part. His arm talent and accuracy began to stand out.

Nobody, including the Eagles, could have foreseen how good he would look as a rookie, under pressure. I think he surprised everybody.

But, he still didn't do so well on Pep's water bottle test. So...

It hurts to read his name when its posted on this board.

I have to disagree with this. While it's true there is no certainty how a draftee will do on the field at the next level, if you look at all that Philly gave up to draft Wentz it appears to me they had little doubt on him being a franchise QB.

I mean, you just don't package a deal like that to land a QB in the draft that you have a lot of doubts about. I mean they could have turned out to be wrong, but you have to trust your evaluations. And from the ransom they paid to land him, it's obvious to me that they weren't shocked by the results they saw.

They immediately made him their #3 QB after drafting him.

So no, I don't think they knew how well he'd play as a rookie.

I think Pitt is right. Philly signed Bradford and Daniel to big contracts. They traded the farm to move up and get Wentz. They had some idea or carry their manhood in a wheelbarrow taking such a leap of faith.

I will say Philly put themselves in a better situation to make that move. Cleveland taking Wentz puts them in a bad way. They do not get Coleman and most likely Ogbah. Remember no one knows Pryor will have a stellar season. I assume Browns draft best available receiver top of the second.

And then promptly traded away their starter,Bradford,and named him as opening day starter,after his injury in the 1st preseason game.
They damned well knew what they were getting.
Those Philly people aren't very good at math,but they can spot talent.

And I'm sure Dallas knew Dak would lead them to the playoffs as well, right?

I don't believe their is a 'one size fits all' approach. Different people learn in different ways. Some college kids only need a TC to get acclimated to the NFL, others need time to figure it out. Just because one kid can play instantly doesn't mean he's better in the long run than a kid who can't. I think that generally it takes time, especially for the more complicated positions. There are plenty of examples of guys who needed time and ended up very good to great.

That's a very good job of deflecting as Dallas and Dak were not part of the conversation.

Yeah, picking a kid in the fourth round is the same as trading a boat load of picks to draft a guy at #2.