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Maybe we have.

Nope. 7.9% of the cap is the WR transition tag number. At 166m that will be about $13.1m. If we are planning on doing that, give him the full franchise tag. For the extra 2.5m we have exclusive rights.

Free agency hasn't even started yet. Also, it takes both sides to work out a deal.

I think it is way too early to start bashing the Browns and their FO about this one.

You're ability to write an entire page based off of basically nothing but what you've made up in your head is incredible.

The current Lombardi trophy holders laugh at your "you can't win by being cheap".

Relax.

Try to hold your water.

First off. None of this has anything, literally anything thing to do, with Haslem.

He is not sitting there telling everyone who to sign or not to sign.

Secondly.

Mitchell Schwartz has nothing to do with this.

Someone posted what Pryors market value is estimated at.

You then somehow took that information and made a post about how the Browns aren't going to pay him.

All of that post was based on nothing.

EDIT:

Feel free to reply and point out a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with Pryor, while also probably saying that I'm saying something I never actually said.

Don't forget to use half of my username to start every paragraph, or I might forget you're talking to me.

Several times you've used this term to reference ownership being cheap. This is simply not the case.

Kruger- $40.5M overall, $20M guaranteed
Bryant- $34M, $12M
Haden- $67.5M, $45M
Dansby- $24M, $14M
Whitner- $28M, $15.5M
Hawkins- $13.6M, $4.8M
Tate- $6.2M, $2.5M
T. Williams- $21M, $10M
Bowe- $12.5M, $9M
Barnidge- $12M, $3M

From 2013 - 2015, ownership spent $286M overall and $135M guaranteed on the above 10 players. This doesn't even take Mack's contract into account plus other deals along the way. That's not cheap. However, what it is, is an example of poor decisions in FA. Which is why the team blew it up in 2016 and has so much cap this year-- not as a result of being cheap. Moreso as result of purging bad contracts to overpaid players in many cases. Are there missteps (Schwartz)? Yes. But it's not a function of being cheap, IMO.

One of the main reasons we have so much cap space was because Heckert was so good with the cap and we were able to roll the money he saved over year after year (on top of the reasons you mentioned).

I think you got him mixed up w/Mangini.

JC: Quick Question folks. As the deadline to franchise tag looms near, anyone think there's a chance we Transition Tag Pryor? I'd at least like to match the best offer that someone gives him instead of having him on the open market.

It would give us time to negotiate and set his contract at 13.3. And he'd get the chance to see what the rest of the market offers him

Your not alone Mac , there are still a few of us old farts who remember ! I be 69 now ... I was blessed to see some of the Greats play ..

I am going to be really, really disappointed in the FO if we can't get this done. We have the money, so what if we "overpay". It isn't going to put us into any sort of cap issues. Pay the man.

Terrelle Pryor's agents to meet with Browns at NFL Combine to try to hammer out deal

Terrelle Pryor
Cleveland Browns wide receiver Terrelle Pryor hopes to have a new, long-term deal soon. (Joshua Gunter)
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on March 01, 2017 at 11:34 AM, updated March 01, 2017 at 11:35 AM
Cleveland Browns 2017

Terrelle Pryor's agents to meet with Browns at NFL Combine to try to hammer out deal
NFL Combine 2017: Live updates, rumors, news from Indianapolis

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. -- Terrelle Pryor's agents are set to meet with the Browns here at the NFL Combine to try to hammer out a long-term deal, a league source told cleveland.com.

4 p.m. today is the deadline for the Browns to franchise him, but that's not expected to happen.

Browns Executive Vice President Sashi Brown will take the Combine podium at noon today to address Pryor and many other topics, including thoughts on the No. 1 overall pick and the mindset heading into free agency.

The franchise tag would pay Pryor about $15.8 million for 2017. Instead the Browns plan to sign Pryor to a multi-year contract, and he told cleveland.com last month he still wants to be back in Cleveland despite the 1-15 record last year.

"I have no problem with, just because we were 1-15 or whatever this year, coming back,'' he said. "I don't mind starting fresh next year and continuing to grow, because I think it's more exciting when you're on the bottom. I'm always citing starting from the bottom and getting to the top, and I think it's a greater feeling and it would be great to give Cleveland what they're looking for.''

If the two sides can't reach an agreement, other teams can begin permissibly floating preliminary numbers to Rosenhaus on March 7th, which would set his market price. Free agency officially opens March 9th.

Spotrac.com estimates Pryor's market value at about $8.9 million a year, but other estimates have him making about $12 million to $13 million a year, especially since free agent wideouts are scarce this year.

Pryor, who eclipsed 1,000 yards in the season finale against his hometown Steelers, told the Rosenhaus brothers that this is where he wants to be.

"It's really up to them,'' he said. "It's really in God's hands.''

Pryor also told cleveland.com in September that he wants to be here "as long as Hue Jackson is here,'' and the admiration is mutual. Jackson helped draft Pryor in 2011 when he was head coach of the Raiders, and Pryor wants to win for him. "This relationship with me and him goes way back to 2011,'' Jackson said this season. "There are a lot of things I know about Terrelle that maybe a lot of people don't. I'm talking about as far as what he is really capable of doing. I would say to all of you that he hasn't even scratched the surface of what he is.

"He's growing each and every day as a football player, as a person. He's getting better, and his best football's still ahead of him by far. He just has to keep working like he does every day and continue to get better and stay humble and be as good as he's been and good things will happen."


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/836984751458246656

Sounds like no tag. I bet they get something done within the next few days.

I didn't like his wording of this. If he is a priority, he should NOT be leaving for free agency, period!

I hated his comment on RG3 too. Saying that "as of right now, he's a member of this team, but we'll see"

I think as a GM, you have to give some praise to your guys.

He said a lot more about Pryor, just not in that quote.

This is frustrating. Losing him, would feel like SUCH a step backwards.

But, on the other hand, I don't want to see our front office do anything stupid money-wise. LOL

I agree with a lot of people about having the cap space and the need to sign Pryor. I don't think there is much to debate on those issues.

However, just for the sake of argument I think there's the other side of the coin to consider. IF we overpay for Pryor it sets a precedent for other players that we are desperate enough to overpay and could open the door for players to expect the same moving forward.

If Rosenhaus wants 12 or more per year let him walk.

The dudes a QB with ONE year experience.

I don't give a damn how much Cap space we have.

He's not worth top 10 money.

I am kind of surprised by this:



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/837044868631441408

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...15-40cc6f97fa23

I've been saying all along we would tag him. It will be a failure if we do not sign him. If he gets to the open market someone will outbid us for sure.

He will probably get an offer of $4-5 mil a year on the open market and sign back with us for around $6-7 mil a year when he could have signed for $9-10 mil a year ... JMHO

There is nearly no chance of the above situation happening.

More than half the league has $20 million (or more) in cap space. There are also very few good free agents. Pryor is going to get paid no matter what.

I know it was Josh's business manager bragging but ...

is rosenhus still his agent ?

I actually think this is a situation where Pryor might be getting screwed by having the same agent as josh

You know drew is talking about all the great things josh will be doing this season (he's the agent he has to sell it) and at the same time trying to tell the browns they have to sign Pryor to big money.

Any other rep would be saying "you know you cant trust flash" but in this case they are compeating against themselves.

if we are playing chicken with them and we lose - that will suck

Rosenhaus is no longer Gordon's agent.



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/836956191938990080

I'm a little irritated that Pryor was not tagged. Browns have no leverage at this point.

Last year, when teams had less money than they do this off-season, wide receivers, who have never had seasons as good as Pryor's 2016 season, got contracts similar to what you think Pryor will get. Travis Benjamin got 4/$24M, Marvin Jones got 5/$40M, and Mohamed Sanu got 5/$32.5.

If we don't re-sign Pryor it will be a huge mistake and leave [another] gaping hole on the roster.

With Pryor you're paying for potential.

He has produced.

But you're paying based on what he can become.

I agree. He was one of the few bright spots in the most horrible season I've witnessed. I'm going to be very dissapointed if we let him walk.

I don't think anyone on this board wants to see Pryor leave I know I don't

If we don't re-sign Pryor then we better bring no free agents in. Would be a dumb move.

j/c

I've been saying for months now, there is no way the Browns are going to tag him for 15 mil a yr. when no one is going to offer him over 10 mil a yr. He is still to new to the position. Nobody wanted him except the Browns last year. Can't understand why some think we were going to tag him? I will be surprised if he gets more than 9 mil a yr. from us or anybody else.