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until the commish actually reinstates him...it's all irrevelant

Sadly, you are correct. This guy is just a hard one to let go of

It's not even that. We hang onto him because he's still on his dirt-cheap rookie contract. Keeping him in Cleveland doesn't cost us anything. And for the people that want to stick it to him... he wants to get released.

Stick it to him? What the hell does that mean? Are we supposed to kiss his freaking feet for being getting suspended and not playing for us?

Not at all (not even close to what I said). Releasing him would be doing him a favor, and nobody owes this clown any favors.

As for the 'stick it to him' part... that wasn't specifically pointed at you. There is a handful of people that have an irrational hatred for the guy (we're all sick of the "Annual Tease", but these folks go far beyond that). Maybe that hatred has cooled off, I dunno.

All I'm saying is that there is no benefit to the Browns to cut the guy. It's worth it to hang onto him for the minuscule chance that he pulls his head out of his butt not because we actually believe that's going to happen, but because the cost to do so is so low.


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Why does anyone really care? He most likely won't play in the NFL. Browns are doing the right thing if he shows up fine if not no big deal.

If, and it's a big if, he does play. I wouldn't trade or dump. I make do thinking he is day to day. Why give him away and that 1% chance he found his way and...I don't even what to think about it. No mater what it's all a bad dream.

the crazy thing is, after all of this, he's still 27 years old or whatever ... he's still just getting to his prime physically

Too early to even talk about, IMO.

IF he gets reinstated, and IF he gets to camp, and IF he is in shape, and IF he has a solid program to remain clean & sober, and IF he shows up in shape..... then, and only then, might he be worth mentioning.

Gordon is a perfect metaphor/comparison to this team since since 99.

Every year, we get some sort of hopes up to only have it dashed away as soon as the season starts and reality kicks in.

IF Gordon can do this and IF Gordon do that, he could be great. IF the Browns can do this and IF the Browns do that, maybe they'll be great.

We are all eternal optimists. It's the only way we can be a fan of this team. We don't give up on this team and it's why people are willing to not give up on Josh either.

So the reality is that the likelihood of Josh actually returning to this team and being a stud is about the same as the Browns making the playoffs this year.

No probable...But hey, we all root for it.

j/c

If Marijuana use/possession were legal - like it should be - then the negativity surrounding this guy would be dramatically different. THEN...people would be forced to talk about his actual...you know...play. Cutting the guy as soon as we can would be silliness...counting on the guy to be a contributor all year would be stupidity.

And no, I am not a pot smoker.

Just sayin'.

The weird thing is a guy like Tyreke Hill is basically praised all year for being such a playmaker and he did something WAY worse than smoking marijuana (and I've never done drugs once in my life)

I was still a young whipper snapper watching the NFL in fuzz mode the last time I can remember seeing Josh's play.

I thought the Brown's officially announced they are moving on without Flash?

I thought Hue stated they were done with him and moving forward without him or words to that effect. Put him on the practice squad or trade him maybe? If he sees the field, we have bought the magic beans once again.

If he is re-instated, and is in shape and playable, use him I guess. But i would not place any confidence in him or build much of any game plan on him. Wait and see. Good outcome would surprise the heck outta me!

I read somewhere that someone "hoped" the reason we haven't signed Pryor is because we know Gordon will be back ... LOL I certainly hope that isn't the case

LMFAO

Wow. Gullibility at it's finest.

This has been widely reported (Mary Kay emphasizes it every time she writes a JG update) but if you look at the context it is not clear that Hue was speaking to Gordon's career, rather to his absence at the time (October, right after he entered rehab).

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/09/browns_hue_jackson_on_josh_gor.html

So who knows? Maybe Mary Kay is right, but it is not definitely obvious that she is and that her interpretation is what Hue meant. I read this more as "quit asking me about Gordon, he's not here (as in, now, at practice) and he's not going to be here (because he's in rehab not necessarily because the Browns are done with him for good). Maybe I'm a sucker, but it would be a shame to see us release him just to go to some other team and light it up for 8 - 10 years (he's only 26) a la Cris Carter...

I have a bad memory and quite frankly I'm too lazy to research this but I thought I remember hearing that his latest stint in rehab this past time in Oct was because of alcohol abuse and not weed?

I think the negativity is based on the fact that, the NFL says, no pot. Regardless of how you feel about pot, the rule has been in place for a while. You know that coming in.

If you are good in the NFL, you will make 10s of millions of dollars.

So... don't smoke pot, for like, 5 years or so, make 20-30 million, and then smoke as much as you want and be constantly praised wherever you go.

Or, continue to do the thing you know you're not supposed to, and work at a car dealership and be the butt of jokes.

Decesions.

This seems very simple. Except we are dealing with human beings and not robots. Josh Gordon is an addict.

In my opinion. An addiction to to pot is mostly mental. Unlike other drugs where it's both physical and mental.

Eventually you have to figure out as a person what you care about more.

My younger brother is one of those "I can't have fun unless I'm drunk/high" type of people. It's super depressing, and I don't hang out with him much.

At no point in his life, including having a kid, has he felt like getting cleaned up and doing "the right thing"

If Gordon has had that moment. Then maybe he has a chance.

Or maybe he just found a better way to hide clean urine.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/10/josh_gordon_went_to_rehab_for.html

He's an addict. The NFL has busted him for weed, codeine, and alcohol. Gordon was also hanging around Manziel a ton, so who knows what was going on there.

I honestly don't give a crap what he does in his spare time.

Just don't get caught.

Everyone else does it.

But he does get caught... continuously. The signs were written during his college days. The fact he's unable to stop with numerous "this is likely your last chance to get it right" proves he's got a problem.

A problem we should ALL be sick of dealing with about now, regardless how much of a freak he potentially can be.

If you can help my football team win, I will judge your negatives independently.

He didn't run someone over with his car.

He didn't lock himself in a bathroom with anyone.

No gloves needed to be tried on, nor are there any missing suits.

Am I tired of this back and forth? Yes. I pretty much laughed it off when he went into rehab THE WEEK HE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK.

But, if he can help us win. Then help.

Yeah, it might have been. I can't remember either.

Josh cannot even help himself at this stage, let alone help our team.

Not everyone else is an addict. That's why he gets caught, because he'd rather drink/drank/smoke than do anything else and he will put it over everything else.

Gordon played 5 games in 2014, and did not look the same as he did earlier. He then missed the final game of the season. Then he missed the entire 2015 and 2016 season.

He talented, but he's as unreliable as his good friend, Johnny Manziel.

There comes a time where you have to admit that the only thing you get from beating your head against the wall is a headache. I think that we should have reached that a long time ago.

I don't think it's your memory...I don't remember anything being said as to why and what. Not a peep. We can say and debate many things about the current FO, but precious little ever gets leaked.

I'm not trying to talk you out of that line of thinking because it makes a ton of sense. However...

I look at him like I would a guy who got unlucky with a couple of back-to-back (knee) injuries that took a year each to rehab. He's young...he's free...I would wait on him...I would not count on him. Just me.

The biggest thing that I recall is that this last time was completely voluntary. Nothing ever leaked from anywhere that this was pre-emptive of another bust from the NFL, so I'm good with the published story of it being his choice to finally wake up and get some help.

I don't think we know anything more than that, and that's fine.

j/c:

I don't think we can say that he only has a weed problem. I don't think the NFL releases that information. He could smoke weed, drink a ton, do coke, Purple Drank, etc, etc.

I do know that you gotta be a total screw-to get busted for drugs in the NFL. Former players have said that it's not that hard to get around.

I guess I have a problem w/some acting like Gordon is a victim.

Technically, he IS a victim. A victim of his own stupidity.

And yes, I know I've read on here what the drug testing for nfl players (that are NOT on the offender list) is, and it really doesn't seem like it would be difficult to pee clean. I don't remember the details, but it seems to me the testing, for players NOT previously in "the system", is just being clean sometime around training camp.

At least, that seems to be what I remember.

I rolled my eyes at the first part, only to feel dumb in doing so after reading the second part LOL