DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Free Agency

*LOL* ... there's all ready deals done dude .. it can't become OFFICIAL til Thursday ..

What if he's asking for $15 million a year?

I want Pryor back (and we need him back), but you can't just pay a player whatever he wants (especially when only has one year of production).

Who do you expect us to replace him with? Just wondering. A 3rd or 4th round compensation pick?

The market is what hte market is. If that's what we have to spend, then we should definitely consider spending it

I think it's clear that we are at least considering it.

This is a process thing. You don't overpay ever. Overpaying is a bad decision. Bad decisions are bad. The more bad decisions you make, the worse your team is.

I want to keep Pryor. I do not know what we would/should do to replace him. I do not want to overpay him.

(Side note: We likely will not get a compensatory pick if Pryor leaves because will also probably sign a free agent, cancelling out Pryor's compensatory pick.)

Then we should have franchised him or transition tagged him, so that we had options. Because the truth is, losing Terrelle Pryor is a big blow to an already bad offense. And yes, it can get worse. And we don't have many options.


And no compensation pick either, Jesus.

Good Free Agents aren't going to look at Cleveland as a hot market. If we want people to come, we're gonna have to overpay. Otherwise, we're gonna have to do a good job keeping our own guys here until we become a hot market. We should have done whatever we had to to make sure Pryor would be here next year (or at least given ourselves the option to match his contract). That's just the way it is.

Because spending that 12 pick on a WR doesn't sound exciting to me. Not one bit. That's not a good option.

I was saying all along that we should tag him. If he leaves it is a clear mistake.

Why would you have to use the #12 on a receiver, you don't thank any can be had in later rounds?

Desperation clouds judgement.

Me too.

I love confidence with the "We don't need to tag him" thing

But if they screw this up, i'm gonna lose a lot of confidence in whatever we're doing.


I could understand last year with letting a lot of our guys go. Wanted to start fresh, new system and all that. But this guy played a year under Hue. He's coming back to the same city, same team, same OC. He looked good in a bad offense. He is only going to get better.

He stays here, everything is fine. He leaves, and it's gonna be tough to say I have any confidence in whatever we're trying to do

LOL........do you work for Haslam?

Losing your best players is a bad decision. Bad decisions are bad. The more bad decisions you make, the worse your team is.

See how that works?

Agreed...we are in no position to lose good-very good talent.

"The legal tampering period starts at noon tomorrow.

That’s apparently not soon enough for a few teams.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, five teams have already shown interest in Browns free agent wide receiver Terrelle Pryor.

If it was just a number, and one of them was the always-active “Mystery Team” (the annual offseason champion), it would be easy enough to overlook.

But this report names names, identifying the Steelers, Giants, 49ers, Titans and Eagles as the teams showing interest in Pryor.

Now, no one should be naive enough to think this didn’t start last week, when teams and agents convened in Indianapolis for the Scouting Combine. But for such a blatant violation to be reported underscores just how flimsy a policy this actually is, and why teams largely treat the league’s anti-tampering policy like some other kind of paper."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...terrelle-pryor/

this is pryors camp leaking info rosenhaus does this every year.

So....??????

Vers how good did your beloved mingo turn out?

How about banner?

He was terrible. Why do you ask?

Wish we still had him.

What do either of your questions have to do w/my question about leaking information?

Maybe I did not understand you sorry.
The point being made here I take everything with a grain of salt this time of the year.

Rumor going that Glennon will be going to the bears for roughly 4 years 60 mil I know its rumor but damn and may not be true but man. OO and glad the league is clamping down on the no tampering.

j/c

Any word on how Pryor's hand healed up post-surgery?

Healed up just enough to give the Browns the finger lol

that'd be crazy IMO. I could even see 15 million for 1 year, but not 4

Insane... Low supply with high demand or not, that's insane to me. Glennon?

J/c

My targets in early FA:
TP
J.C. Tretter, C
Chris Baker, DI

I would hit up others spots post draft

j/c

Whomever said Glennon is a taller version of Colt McCoy, I find that interesting. I would have thought more along the lines of Glennon being the anti-McCoy.

I would also agree overpaying for players is bad. It sets a bad precedent. And I believe this is why we didn't franchise tag Pryor much like we didn't franchise tag Schwartz a year ago.

Now do we need to overpay to keep some of our players or sign New ones? That's debatable. I do think it's still possible we sign Pryor.

I kinda like Aiken the more I think about it.

I also suspect we'd sign Stefen Wisniewski over JC Tretter.

And how about a safety, Jefferson, Addae, or McDonald.

The Jimmy G trade doesn't sound quite as crazy now....

Just remember the free agents actually have to want to come here. Some of the higher named guys people have been mentioned, I just don't see wanting to play for a 1-15 team with no viable franchise QB. I can see maybe some second tier or lesser guys coming in.

Exactly.......... We can have our targets. But if we don't "overpay", we're not going to be getting a lot of the top guys.

Let's say someone like Stephon Gilmore has his choice to go to say the Giants or the Browns. If we offer the same contract, who do you think he's going to pick at this point? The Browns 1-15 (Organization that has a reputation for tons of Front Office/Coaching changes) or the Giants (Organization known for Stability).


It's not like going to the store and buying a product with a price tag off a shelf, or going to an auction and outbidding someone. It's more like a job offer. You can make the offer, but the other side has to accept


EDIT: I'm not advocating overpaying. I'm just saying, don't expect the big names. We don't have the credibility to get those guys, unless we overpay (and who knows if that'll even work). Players often use us as leverage in their deals with other teams. Heck, even coaches do that, like Chip Kelly.

tab, I am not arguing w/you.........but the game has changed from the days when we first started posting.

WRs have become much more important to a team than they were back in the day when we both complained about all the high picks the Browns made on WRs.

The game has evolved.

I get what you're saying, and I sure hope you're right.

Joe Banner always says that near FA period, it's stupid for any player to sign a deal. But I do think we should have at least tagged him to give ourselves another year of Terrelle Pryor and another year to see if our young receivers improve. A Transition Tag at a minimum, so we can make sure we can match the best offer (if Pryor agrees to that).


Like Vers said, I think folks point out "one season" but then leave out how new he is to the position. I am of the mindset that he'll only get better this season.


Hopefully it all works out and he comes back here. Because my biggest point is that we don't have much to work with right now at all if Pryor leaves. Really could use him this year, and with the most cap space in the league, there's no reason to leave that up to chance.

But I do get that it's Drew Rosenhaus, he knows what he's doing, and we just have to stay patient and have faith in our Front Office. I just don't like the position they put us in


EDIT:

And I understand that there are a bunch that are 1-2nd round picks every season. But many don't blossom into anything. I trust Pryor over most early receivers. And we only have so many early picks to use. Spending a first on Mike Williams or Corey Davis is not what i want to be doing

See, I just don't understand what happened with Schwartz. And isn't there two sides to that story?


But Transition Tag really hasn't bitten us in the butt. I mean, if you're referring to Alex Mack, we at least kept him for another two years. It's too bad that he got hurt for one of those years (the first when things were looking great). But Alex Mack for another two years was a good deal for us. He covered the center position, and we saw what woudl happen if we lost him. I think we lost 5 in a row after that game.

Some of those second tier and below guys:

RB:
Rex Burkhead, RB, Bengals. Age: 27
Andre Ellington, RB, Cardinals. Age: 28
Denard Robinson, RB, Jaguars. Age: 26
Knile Davis, RB, Chiefs. Age: 25
TE:
Jack Doyle, TE, Colts. Age: 27
Luke Willson, TE, Seahawks. Age: 27
Ryan Griffin, TE, Texans. Age: 27
WR:
Cordarrelle Patterson, WR/KR, Vikings. Age: 26
Kamar Aiken, WR, Ravens. Age: 28
Terrance Williams, WR, Cowboys. Age: 27
OL:
Mike Harris, G, Vikings. Age: 27
Luke Joeckel, G/OT, Jaguars. Age: 25.
J.C. Tretter, C/G, Packers. Age: 26(higher profile guy I'd liketo take a run at)
Ricky Wagner, OT, Ravens. Age: 27(another high profile guy)
Riley Reiff, OT, Lions. Age: 28(another high profile guy)
DL:
Datone Jones, DE, Packers. Age: 27
Johnathan Hankins, NT, Giants. Age: 25(another high profile guy)
Dominique Easley, DT, Rams. Age: 25
Nick Fairley, DT, Saints. Age: 29
Terrell McClain, DT, Cowboys. Age: 29.
Denico Autry (RFA), DT, Raiders. Age: 27
Brent Urbin, DE/DT, Ravens. Age: 26
Jack Crawford 43DE Age: 28
LB:
Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Steelers. Age: 27
Keenan Robinson, ILB, Giants. Age: 28.
Christian Jones (RFA), ILB, Bears. Age: 26
A.J. Klein, ILB, Panthers. Age: 26
DB:
Marcus Cooper, CB, Cardinals. Age: 27
Sheldon Price (RFA), CB, Ravens. Age: 26
Deshawn Shead (RFA), CB, Seahawks. Age: 29
T.J. McDonald, S, Rams. Age: 26
Bradley McDouglad, S, Buccaneers. Age: 26
Daniel Sorensen (RFA), S, Chiefs. Age: 27

Report: Steelers have 'no interest' in signing Terrelle Pryor
A source within the Steelers' organization addressed Cleveland.com's report that the team is interesting in signing free agent WR, Terrelle Pryor.

http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Steelers-have-no-interest-in-signing-Terrelle-Pryor-51643232

Terrelle Pryor will not play for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2017.

According to Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, a source within the organization has stated that the team has "no interest" in signing the Browns' receiver "at $10 million plus per season," Pryor's reported starting asking price from potential suitors.

On Monday, Cleveland.com included Pittsburgh among five teams that were interested in signing Pryor, who caught 77 passes for 1,004 yards and four touchdowns last season. The other four teams included 49ers, Eagles, Giants, and Titans.

If that's the case, that's ridiculous. We pay guys like Sashi Brown to do this. To operate without an ego. If we changed our offer because "We were insulted", that's bad news.

Schwartz' job is to play football. Sashi is supposed to get the players. That falls on Sashi in my book.


Assuming we did pull the offer after he tested the market, i think it sets a bad precedent, and hopefully we learn from that. Because the FO's job is to worry about what's best for this football team.

JMHO, wait a minute, this STUFF isn't black and white, there is lots of grey area, WE don't know the facts, but S tests market, he assumes our deal is available when he comes back, ya think we WANT to overpay...what's wrong with CONTINUING talks and coming to a MUTUAL agreement....PS didn't S take less money to move- who was emotional...we don't have ALL the facts. Joe Thomas's point about losing players IS valid, BUT players need to want to play here with understanding of where we are...Atlanta and KC are BOTH able to win consistently more than we are UNTIL we hit in the draft.....GO Browns!!!