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Garoppolo trade reporting overlooks most important issue
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2017, 8:47 AM EST

The Jimmy Garoppolo reporting, which prompted on Wednesday a mild outbreak of ESPN-on-ESPN crime, continues to overlook the most important factor regarding whether a trade will happen: Whether Garoppolo wants it.
His recent “your guess is good as mine” routine conceals this dynamic, but the reality is that Garoppolo won’t be traded for significant compensation if he refuses to do a long-term deal with his new employer. If he doesn’t want to play for a given team at all, the likelihood that he’ll do a long-term deal decreases to nearly nil.
What team would give up a first-round pick and more for a player who is a season away from the Kirk Cousins franchise-tag square dance? While plenty of teams have shown over the years an ongoing willingness to do dumb things, it would be a new level of dumb to send a large haul of picks for a player who provides no guarantee regarding his ongoing employment.
Then again, there could be a team or two willing to engage in that level of dumb in an effort to find a franchise quarterback. Especially since dumb is one of the reasons some of the teams looking for franchise quarterbacks don’t have one.

This clearly means that Garoppolo would only play with a long term deal - is Cleveland ready to give another unproven (6 quarters experience) QB a huge deal? This is a serious crapshoot for one of the losingest teams over the last 25 years. Can anyone say, "I see another Matt Cassel?"

I'm not a big fan of Cutler ... I'd honestly rather have Tyrod or Jimmy G (heck, even Hoyer)

To me, given it's Adam - I'd say there's no need for a Garoppolo Part Six thread. Call it a wrap.

Well, he doesn't say for how long he will be on them in 2017.

I heard the same thing. I am begining to warm up to Cutler.

Really? I'd rather roll with Brian Hoyer. He's the guy i've been thinking about. None of the same people are really here that were here before (Manziel, Farmer, Petitine).

I don't think the fans were that bad to him or anything. I don't think Hoyer would have a problem coming here if he was to start. He knows some of the guys, he's a leader. Gets the ball out quick. Let him come in as the starter, and if Kessler looks that much better in camp, give Kessler the chance.


We'll see who is available at 12, and make the best decision for the team

You can't play QB in Cleveland with the attitude of Cutler. He is emotionless. You cannot be emotionless in a traditionally losing environment like Cleveland. It'll ruin the locker room.

Cutler needs the right environment and talent around him to be successful. We definitely don't have that nucleus yet.

Agreed. We don't have the correct leadership in the locker room for a guy like Cutler.


We're better off with someone the team can get behind. Especially a young team like ours.

RG3's cap hit is 8.7M, Wasn't hard to find so unless McCown's was 17M, I think the 25M is an exaggeration.

I also worry about his injury.
Wasn't it his throwing shoulder?

Hoyer halt of the time is a good QB and the other Half just average and sometimes bad.

For a team like the Browns, half the time is really good. We just have to make sure all the other players are on the same page when Hoyer is plying good. :-)

I wonder if he ends up in SF...

OK

So, I bit

I watched a YouTube, every throw by Jimmy against the Dolphins.

He looks like a Dalton/Cousins type. Obviously, he doesn't have nearly as many snaps and could turn out a lot better with more experience.

Some nice short throws over the middle to covered receivers. He did get the ball to the right guy most of the time. A number of dinks behind the line of scrimmage. He makes that throw pretty well.

He would be an upgrade to RG III, or at least the RGIII of last year. I don't get why Griffin doesn't do everything possible to work out his weaknesses. Guess Walsh was right, if you don't have it, you don't have it.

I think I covered my opinion earlier, in a question. Does he have the fire in the belly? Does he have a chip on his shoulder? Is he driven to be the best? If so, he will become a winner. A deep into the playoffs winner? Maybe. If he is not driven, I mean a really passionate guy, then I would be happy waiting to draft and develop our own guy, even if that means waiting till next year to do it.

JMHO

As I expected all along it looks as if Bill is going to keep JG after all. For one more year anyways.

Pretty sure any deal for JG is dead.

At this point, I'm inclined to say that we should perhaps draft a mid-to-late round QB and then just roll with what we have for another year.

We are NOT going to contend for anything this coming season, and we are likely still going to be looking a Top 10 pick in the face this time next year, so if we can't actually fix the issue, why get crazy with new band-aids when we can just re-use the ones we have already?

Working out weaknesses involves practice, being coached up, preparation, watching tape, etc. If you are not there with him, how can you make this statement?

He hasn't won a SB yet so obviously he never tries to get better.

j/c:

A few thoughts:

--The Jimmy G/Matt Cassell comparisons are beyond old. Many people have written why they are not even close to the same. The only "logic" as to them being the same QB is that they backed up Brady in NE. Goodness!

--I will be really disappointed if the report is true that that we have no chance of getting Jimmy G this year. I truly believe he was the guy who could have finally solved our QB problem.

--Cutler would be awful in Cleveland. That would be almost as bad of a fit as Kap, albeit for different reasons.

--Oh well............another year w/crap at QB.

Mary Kay Cabot has gone off the deep end lately, but this is what her sources are saying:



http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/cleveland_browns_wont_pursue_c.html

Good.

Robert Griffin III Contract

3/24/2016: Signed a two-year, $15 million contract. The deal contains $6.75 million guaranteed, including a $3.5 million signing bonus. Another $7 million is available through incentives. 2017: $6 million (+ $750,000 roster bonus due 3/11 + $750,000 in per-game roster bonuses), 2018: Free Agent

Maybe you should check your sources.

We all should be praying right now tyrod taylor becomes a FA or we might take one of the qb at 1 over myles with hue saying what he did about his guy not being there at 12.

Taylor is going to get paid either way. He is in a great spot.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/patriots_will_still_trade_jimm.html

Patriots will still trade Jimmy Garoppolo if the offer is right, source says


INDIANAPOLIS - The Patriots will still trade Jimmy Garoppolo if the offer is right, a league source told cleveland.com.

"Everything is still on the table,'' the source said.

On Wednesday, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Patriots will not trade their backup quarterback, and that it wasn't a tactic to get teams to up the ante.

"They love Jimmy Garoppolo,'' Schefter said on SportsCenter. "They're holding onto Jimmy Garoppolo. They view him as somebody they want around. They know the value of quarterbacks and they're not in the market of getting rid of 25-year-old quarterbacks even if they have a year left on their contract. Jimmy Garoppolo is not going to be traded.''

Bill Belichick's close friend and associate Mike Lombardi, the former Browns general manager, also tweeted, "this is not about increasing his value, this is the player being good, really good.''

But the source insists coach Bill Belichick will part with Garoppolo if the compensation is right. One preliminary 'offer' has already been floated and another is expected to come soon from a second team.

Nothing is expected to happen here at the NFL Combine, although some general discussions might take place. The Patriots will likely want a first-round pick and more.

The Browns and 49ers are two teams interested, and the Bears could be too. Those teams have the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 picks, respectively. The Browns also have the No. 12. Garoppolo will be a free agent after next season, and the Patriots would likely have to franchise him at more than $22 million for 2018 to keep him -- as Tom Brady's backup.

If the Browns can't land Garoppolo, they'll see if Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor becomes a free agent on March 11. If those two options fall through, they'll likely make an offer for Bengals backup quarterback AJ McCarron, who wants to be traded and would love to be reunited with Hue Jackson, who coached him in Cincinnati.
The Bengals would likely want at least a second-round pick, one source said, and wouldn't rule out trading within the division.

"We'll listen to whatever anyone is thinking,'' he said. "We're not actively looking to diminish our football team by trading AJ McCarron and that diminishes our football team. It has to be something we feel is valuable enough to warrant doing that. What it is, I don't know. Who it is to, I don't know. It's not ideal to trade guys within your division, particularly at that position. But we listen and if something comes up we'll certainly announce it to all you guys.''

The Browns are also seriously considering North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky with the No. 1 pick, and have Deshaun Watson in their sights.

Coach Hue Jackson stressed Thursday that the club is doing everything possible to find a winning quarterback

Man, there are a lot of rumors floating around.

Of course they'd trade JG if the price is right.
Of course the Browns might take a QB with the first pick.
Am I the only who has noticed, btw, that Mary Kay Cabot isn't football-savvy?

I have a sneaking suspicion that MKC was in love with her HS team's QB, and ever since her focus is on the QB. Year in, year out, she is trying to sell the narrative that the Browns will draft a QB with their first pick.

I wonder if she still thinks Jason Campbell is an elite QB.

Negotiating in the media.

The Pats are simply feeding stories to drive up perceived value.
"Oh, no... we REALLY want him! BUT -- if you were to make us the right offer, we'd have to consider letting him go".



And, if you act now, we'll throw in a free pair of cleats and a JUGS machine!
That's a value of two first rounders for the low low price of just your one first rounder this year!!


Just need to get the Sham-wow guy doing the narrations for the negotiations.

I actually did provide a link to my source. Here it is again, plus 2 others. So, maybe you should check yours.

SpotTrac:

Contract Notes:

- $6.75M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2016 salary)
- Annual per game bonus: $46,875 ($750,000,1 LTBE in 2016, 5 LTBE in 2017)
- $750k roster bonus due 3/11/2017
- Annual Incentives: $3.5M (75% playing time + 3,250 passing yards at minimum)

2017 Cap Hit: $8,734,375

Note it says that the per game bonus is $46,875. That comes to 750K for the year, not 750K per game.


Here is USA Today from 2016 when he signed the contract:

The Browns will have a decision to make next March, when Griffin is due a $750,000 roster bonus on the third day of the 2017 league year. That and the rest of the deal is non-guaranteed: a $6 million base salary, plus another $750,000 in per-game active bonuses and $3.5 million in incentives.

Again, it says he can make another 750K in per-game active bonuses, not 750k per game.

Here is DawgsByNature

Griffin can make per-game roster bonuses in 2016 and 2017 totaling $750,000 each season, or $46,875 per game.

Again, totaling 750K for the season, not per game. This article was from 2016 when he signed the contract and reports a slightly higher 2017 cap hit of 9.25M but his LTBEs have dropped some. SpotTrac is current.





Actually, if you bothered reading what you posted, it states the same thing:

2017: $6 million (+ $750,000 roster bonus due 3/11 + $750,000 in per-game roster bonuses),

750K in per-game roster bonuses, not per game.

So, you're my 4th source.


<drops mic />

No way he risks going down .. sf or the Bears could draft him ...

Source: Patriots exploring adding backup QB in case they trade Jimmy Garoppolo

INDIANAPOLIS -- For a team that allegedly isn’t going to trade quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, the Patriots surely aren’t acting like it.

The Patriots are exploring their options among backup quarterbacks who are set to become free agents, according to a source. The only logical explanation for this is they’re laying the groundwork to bring in a third quarterback in the event that they trade backup Jimmy Garoppolo this offseason.

It’s been years since the Pats had four quarterbacks on their roster, so they aren’t looking to turn their three-man wolf pack into a quartet. They’re merely covering their bases in case a team meets their asking price in a trade for Garoppolo. If that happens, a newly-added quarterback would compete with Jacoby Brissett for the job to back up Tom Brady.

There’s still no certainty the Patriots will trade Garoppolo this offseason. They don’t even know if they will because they aren’t sure if anyone will offer a suitable package. One working theory is the Patriots want at least a first- and second-round draft pick in return for Garoppolo, but it’s unclear if that’s even enough.

One report this week indicated there’s no chance the Patriots would unload Garoppolo, but that came across as a public service announcement that teams haven’t yet offered enough to pry him from the Pats’ control. But behind the scenes, the Pats are doing their due diligence in case they’ve got to add another backup quarterback to the mix in the event they unload Garoppolo.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patri...case_they_trade

Funny. Just 48 hours ago, there was no chance JG was being traded. Now, the Pats are canvasing the league "just in case".

I love this part of the year.

Haha, I'm so confused.

I agree. I'll throw in, and it's pure speculation, that I think BB will ride off into the sunset after Brady does. If that's the case why not trade JG, get some assets for a couple more tries at a SuperBowl, and then call it a career.