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Here's my issue -- the Browns have had an issue evaluating QB's for a REALLY long time. If they passed on most of the QB's last year (which arguably was a better QB class than this one), to pick a QB in this class, wouldn't that make their evaluation skills/analytics questionable at best?

Which downs? Punts and kickoffs?

Maybe in California and the Pac 12 but here in Ohio, The AFC North, and Big Ten country we like real football and not finesse football.

The downs where there's a >30% of a run play occurring.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this.

It was a joke. I hear people all of the time say that MLB only play 20% of the time but the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals kill us year in and year out by stopping our run game, making us one dimensional. Then pinning their ears back and teeing off on our QB.

True.

Where is McMillan projected to go in the draft? Taking a player who will not play a majority of the snaps or forcing one of your only good players to the bench "high" in doesn't seem like a good idea.

I think the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals beat us because they have way better players than us.

(Those teams that you mentioned also play the majority of snaps in "non-base" defenses.)

I've seen one to three because people think he can't cover TE's. Although with that 40, I doubt people have more reservations about him.

Yeah after they made your offense one dimensional because they shut down the run game.

The gane has not changed that much. It is still run the ball and stop the run to win. Just like basketball after the 3 point line is dtill the team that rebounds best wins.

I've been pretty vocal about my preference of trading down and I will literally never completely rule out a trade no matter the situation but I'm not moving for less next year's 1st and 2 2nd rounds after myles show today. The crazy thing is he faulted on his 40. I bet he runs close to a 4.5 flat at his pro day. I wanted him to prove it not only in drills but with his mouth and so far he's perfect. I still have my issues with him but that's my stance as of now.

I don't even know how to respond to something like this.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/te/

TE rankings are posted. Michael Roberts's score and percentile is pretty rough. I really wanted him to do goo. But it looks like there's a handful of athletic TE's in this years draft.

I read somewhere that the top six tight ends at this combine tested better than the best at last year's event.

J/c

Not sure where/if guys are talking about the performance of the QBs at the combine:

o Kizer didn't separate himself from the rest of the QBs in group 1 and IF he's the talent that some draft media have as their #1 QB then it was disappointing turn out for him. But he does have a big arm.

o I was surprised how well Dobbs threw the ball, it was a close tie between him and Kayaa for best performance from group 1. I expected Kayaa to be sharper with his footwork then he was though, kinda plodding. Dobbs had lighter feet but like most of the QBs there it seemed that he was thinking so much about his footwork that slowed him down. From that 1st group Dobbs most often just stepped in there and ripped his throws with velocity as opposed to placing or aiming.

o On the whole I thought the Group 2 QBs were better. Peterman's footwork was the best as expected but Watson and Mitchell were close behind him which was nice to see for 2 guys sometimes labeled with the "spread" knock.

o Trevor Knight had much better footwork then I expected from his film, surprising quick and confident and he had a liver arm then I thought to. Doesn't meet the height threshold and would only be a UDFA/7th flier type but he did catch my eye

o Overall the top throwing session was a close call between Wats and Mitch for me. Both guys went out there and ripped the ball. They were surprising confident in their footwork and I thought displayed confidence that I like to see in there ability to throw the ball. And they hit most if not all their throws. I thought 2 got away from Mitch and 1 got away from Wats.

o I hear about Mahomes arm and it seemed like Mayock and crew were intent on hyping his arm talent. But again, I still don't see it. I don't see a special arm on tape nor did I see a special arm in the throwing sessions. He threw the ball the same way he looked on tape to me. His footwork was all over the place and I think that hurt his throwing......thinking about his feet and trying to place/aim the ball...I wish he would have just gone out there and gunned the ball

o Webb didn't throw the ball as well as I expected following his performance at the SB (practices). And like Mahomes he was fighting/concentrating on getting his footwork down. But the times he got it together or just decided to rip a throw he arm talent showed through. For me Webb and Kizer (when they put it all together) have the best arms in the draft class

I think you made some good points.

--Mahomes disappointed me. Not sure what people are seeing. He is very inaccurate. How do you throw out routes to the inside of a WR?

--Watson was much more "together" than I thought he would be. Pretty good footwork and he was free and easy w/his delivery.

--Almost all of these guys were horrid on their deeper throws. Accuracy and ball placement was a problem.

--I almost hate saying this, but that Peterman guy impressed me as much as anyone. I haven't watched any of his tape, so I was kinda blown away by his mechanics and accuracy. Is he highly regarded?

Quit talking like the AFC North and Big Ten are the only places where real football is played.


That sounds ignorant.

I have heard very good things about Peterman
The big knock is lack of arm strength
I have not scouted him, this is from the talking heads

Thanks.

Figures about the arm strength thing. He looked the best to me.

More ignorant than saying OSU's best linebacker can only play on FG and punt teams?

I told him in a later post I was joking. It does bother me that folks come on here and say don't take a MLB because he would only be on the field for 20% of the plays.

As much as the game has changed and became a passing league I still feel that the team that can run the ball and stop the run best still wins most games. Why, because the other team becomes one dimensional.

I am actually not a Big Ten fan. I am a fan of an SEC team. I do respect the Big Ten even though I hate OSU.

Raekwon McMillion ran a fast 4.6 40. That is side line to side line speed, get to the QB speed, cover a RB/TE speed. Not an old traditional between the tackles MLB. Although, McMillion has those instincts and can do just that.

The point I was making is this draft is a perfect draft to increase the overall team speed on the defense.

Draft Garret #1 and he would give the Browns book end Defensive Ends that has run 2 of the top 5 40's in combine history for men over 270 pounds with a 4.64 with Ogbah who last year ran a 4.63 40. That would give the defense speed off the edge.

Then I commented about some mocks having Jabrill Pppers falling to the 2nd round he would be a steal at #33 and McMillion would be a perfect MLB with speed to draft at #52. Talk about changing the team speed in one off season.

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wr/

Zay Jones had a great combine. I wouldn't be surprised if he's off the board in round 1. I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 33 either.

Yep.........I was very impressed by Jones.

I currently have him as my 4th best WR. Dude is a playmaker! It's always hard to tell with guys who go to smaller schools, but he put on a clinic against [censored] Tabor, Marcus Maye and Quincy Wilson a year ago. They could not stop Zay late in the game.

I don't think I watched him in a game, but he was damn impressive yesterday.

I also thought that Taylor and Godwin were impressive.

I have been talking up the Kid ever since I saw him in the Senior Bowl ..

I agree with a lot of what you said, but teams that pass successfully are the teams that win now (for the most part).

I do think we need to increase the overall speed of the defense. I just don't think drafting a player who will not play very much (or cause us to put one of our other better players on the bench) is worth a high pick. Situational players can be found pretty easily later in the draft or in free agency.

Not sure I ever said to not take a MLB.

I may have misread your comment. My only point is when people say to play in the AFC North....like the AFC North is some higher standard of football compared to any of the other divisions.

Heck, it might be one of the weaker ones since we are in it. I am sure a lot of teams would welcome playing us twice a year.

DBs are flying.
Browns FO should be pleased.

They're big, too.

A lot of good DBs this year.

Yes and we need to take our share and improve this secondary especially our saftey's ...

One comment about the Combine coverage. I love seeing the 40 times, but don't like watching it. Boring. I'd much rather they dedicate more time to the on-field drills. It's easier to check out a guy's quick twitch motor skills, flexibility, explosion, technique, etc.

Man, this is a great secondary class. And Conley from Ohio State is having a very good day.

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/838800822829993984

Petterman played under center too.

Obi Melifonwu


6'4"
Height


32 5/8"
Arm Length


219LBS.
Weight


4.40 SEC

Top Performer


17 REPS


44.0 INCH

Top Performer


141.0 INCH

No team has met with him more than the Seahawks...

He may go 1st round.

Group 2 DBs are f l y i n g

I'm also thinking he'd be a great pick at 33. He has the size, speed and strength to play that 3rd LB/DB role.