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U.S. starts deploying THAAD system in South Korea after North Korea missile test


A Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) interceptor arrives at Osan Air Base in Pyeongtaek, South Korea, in this handout picture provided by the United States Forces Korea (USFK) and released by Yonhap on March 7, 2017. USFK/Yonhap via REUTERS


By James Pearson | SEOUL

The United States started to deploy the first elements of its advanced Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system to South Korea following North Korea's test of four ballistic missiles, U.S. Pacific Command said on Tuesday.

The announcement came as North Korean state media said leader Kim Jong Un had personally supervised Monday's missile launches, stepping up threats against Washington as U.S. troops conduct joint military exercises with South Korea.

"Continued provocative actions by North Korea, to include yesterday's launch of multiple missiles, only confirm the prudence of our alliance decision last year to deploy THAAD to South Korea," U.S. Pacific Commander Admiral Harry Harris said in the statement.

The move by the U.S. military is likely to deepen the brewing conflict between South Korea and China, which has angrily opposed the THAAD deployment as destroying regional security balance.

The four ballistic missiles landed in the sea off Japan's northwest, angering Seoul and Tokyo, days after North Korea promised retaliation over the military drills which it sees as preparation for war.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe discussed the launches during a phone call on Tuesday.

"Japan and the U.S. confirmed that the latest North Korean missile launches were clearly against U.N. resolutions and a clear provocation against the regional and international community," Abe told reporters. "(North Korea's) threat has entered a new phase."

Trump also spoke to South Korea's acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn to discuss the North's missile launches, Hwang's office said.


"MERCILESSLY RETALIATE"

The missile test was undertaken by an army unit commissioned with attacking U.S. military bases in Japan, the North's official KCNA news agency said.

"In the hearts of artillerymen ... there was burning desire to mercilessly retaliate against the warmongers going ahead with their joint war exercises," KCNA said.

"He (Kim) ordered the KPA Strategic Force to keep highly alert as required by the grim situation in which an actual war may break out any time, and get fully ready to promptly move, take positions and strike so that it can open fire to annihilate the enemies."

The missiles North Korea fired on Monday were unlikely to have been intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM), South Korea said, which can reach the United States. They flew on average 1,000 km (620 miles) and reached an altitude of 260 km (160 miles).

Some landed as close as 300 km (190 miles) from Japan's northwest coast, Japan's Defence Minister said earlier.



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THAAD DEPLOYMENT

The United States and Japan have requested a United Nations Security Council meeting on the launches, which will likely be scheduled for Wednesday, diplomats said.

The planned installation of the U.S. anti-missile defense system, which South Korea has said would be operational by the end of the year, has led to a diplomatic standoff between China and South Korea.

Chinese authorities have closed nearly two dozen retail stores of South Korea's Lotte Group that approved a land swap with the country's military last week to allow it to install the system.

China objects to the THAAD deployment, saying its territory is the target of the system's far-reaching radar. South Korea and the United States have said the missile system is aimed only at curbing North Korean provocations.


(Additional reporting by Ju-min Park and Daewoung Kim in SEOUL, Kaori Kaneko in TOKYO and Phil Stewart in WASHINGTON; Editing by Lincoln Feast and Jack Kim)

Poor China is upset the THAAD system will be installed in SK.

Too bad they didn't get involved in settling down their ally NK before it came to this.

They will really be sad when we have to Nuke NK and all that fallout travels to China with the wind.

Why do you always talk about wanting to nuke people?

Because NK has stated their goal is to be able to Nuke Hawaii, California or Alaska in the coming years. They are now out of the Lab and in the field testing better and better rockets and have figured out how to miniaturize their warheads. They are working on ICBM now.

Not gonna happen says TRUMP!

Ummmm torn on this .On one hand NK seems dead set on going hot with this 60 year old cold war and we have to protect our interests but on the other China does have a legit complaint . Imagine if so.eone wanted to park offensive weapons in our backyard ..Wait .

But is THAAD an offensive weapon?

It probably doesn't matter to the Chinese one way or the other. The fact is that they're there. And at one time, they weren't. That in itself constitutes a potentially destabilizing new development in the region, no matter how we frame their presence. It's more weapons in the region.

That would be a concern for any government, no matter who they were.

This might motivate China to step up to the plate and be a little more strong-armed with North Korea.


China's North Korea's link to the outside world. North Korea needs China. This might get them to take some action and get some things done so that we don't need them there.


The world can survive an all-out war with North Korea. There are no winners in an all-out war with China. Just not an option. Hope they recognize that too.

I don't think this deployment of THAAD missles destabilizes anything on the Korean peninsula. (any more than having Kim Jong-Un there does).



It looks like THAAD has a very specific and short range tactic.

I don't think the Chinese are in the least concerned. (they might say they are)

that idiot in NK is dead set on starting a war...he's already starting to alienate their only Ally in China. Now launching missles impacting close to Japan. I'm thinking we need to go in and resolve this ourselves and take fat boy out. There will never be stability as long as he's in power.. China would be wise to stay out of it and I think they would. They will feign support to NK but in reality know it's in the best interest

He dreams of his legacy, taking the world out with him in a blaze of glory.

million man army...just more untrained targets for our smart weapons...they'd lose thousands for every one of ours..strength in numbers for sure..unless they are NK, they are so under trained and equipped..it'd be a slaughter against US and thier allies. Thats assuming China stays out of it..it's just amazing to me that the world allows him to remain in power, given how poverty stricken his people are, and the rate of capital punishment and crimes against humanity

jc

if you guys wanna bang on the drums of war, fine. buuuuut, you better be careful. this isn't mohammed and his goats using guerilla warfare tactics in the desert.

this is an official government sponsored military we're talking about. no matter how elite we are, there will be casualties on our side. and they have nukes.

This isn't something that you can chalk up to being other president's fault. can't blame Reagan, or both Bush's, or clinton, or obama. every aspect of this war will be owned by Trump.

NK has been popping off at the mouth and launching random missiles toward empty areas since the end of the korean war. So do we really want to be the country that once again starts a war unprovoked? We already did that in Iraq, and not only did it end up being a complete disaster, our NATO allies started pulling their troops the moment they found out we went there over false pretence (right word?).

Also, y'all forget, china might be highly annoyed with NK, but one thing they will not tolerate the US being literally right there at their border, so if you guys are prepared to support Trump over war with NK, you also better be prepared to go to war with China. They already are prepared to flex their muscles over the south china sea dispute.

and that WON'T be a quick war. there will be thousands of soldier's lives lost, as well as even more civilian casualties. there is also no telling if Russia plays a role in this.

and no offense, but i'm looking at this thread, and seeing not even a handful of people who actually put their money where their mouths are when it comes to service and combat banging on the drums of war.

also, a war that the US starts...again? how much support from our allies should we realistically expect?

Just saying....if y'all want to escalate the drama with NK, better be prepared, cause they are armed with nukes, and China isn't just gonna let us roll up in there. be prepared to go all in, cause more than likely, thats WW3.

I think you're wrong on a few counts..having spent 36 months in Korea..i've seen first hand..NK isn't scaring anyone...we have just as many nukes, and ours actually work, South Korea and Japan would aid as would most Nato allies as per the agreement. I agree China wouldn't roll over and anything started would have to have China's support. I'm not talking full scale war. I'm talking covert op to remove fat boy from power. Bottom line is his shenanigans have gone on long enough and despite rebuke from everyone, he continues. China has already started distancing themselves from NK...if fat boy keeps going, China will have no choice or risk relationships with several trade allies

except even with a covert op, everybody knows who pulled it off once Kim is ousted.

i've said this before that i believe we can roll over NK without much resistance. but i also have no reason to believe it will ever be just them we have to deal with.

and then what? let's say we drop fattie once and fall all....we just bounce?

cause if that happens, China is gonna want to take control. they certainly aren't gonna let south korea control NK. They don't want NK being in control by SK or the US.

they have distanced themselves, sure. but they also back NK because that's considered the buffer between them and US ally SK.

come on bro, you're a ranger. you know better than any of us, including myself who has deployed 4 times, that it is NEVER that easy to just kick a dictator out and call it a day.

also....Russia is an ally of NK. thats a loose term as you know, but they are also really tight with China.

all i'm saying is that it isn't gonna be easy. and it go 0-100 real quick, and become a real sloppy mess.

also, i agree with SK forces, but Japan has always been iffy about using theirs ever since the end of WW2.

I think it is still against the law for us to assassinate a foreign leader.

lead i have a question for you, cause i trust your gut on this.

but....let's say we roll with this.

Trump also wants to fight a war against ISIS as well.

could we do that at the same time? Iraq and afghanistan is one thing, as at least they were in the same region. i know those places well.

but can we afford to have our forces spreaded out that much? especially if China has something to say about it?

i just don't like the direction we are potentially going with this.

Actually, they are defensive weapons.

Yep. America first. HEADLINES "Defense contractor makes a hefty profits expands mfg/jobs"

So let's hear your idea? Just keep letting some crazy man continue to build his missile program and put no type of defense up to help our allies in case of an attack?

I'm not a hater of media, but sometimes the left tries to twist things just like the right does.

The simple fact that you started your answer to that question with "Because...." instead of "I don't...." really makes anything that came after it pointless.

My idea would be to use something like "The Art of Deal" type diplomacy with lil-Kim to try to avoid WWIII. I thought he liked Trump during the campaign?

the systems is defensive posturing.

We typically hold exercises and such when an enemy or non-ally makes a defensive posture as well.

my issue isn't the systems. it's trump's triggers. can he maintain a relatively peaceful southeast, or is he gonna lead us into war?

If Trump can work with Russia he can certainly work with LiL Kim.

Are you saying that Trump could shoot his eye out?

Trump can not work with Russia now, the Left and the Media have seen to that.

Even the Russians know if Trump tries to work with them now, the Left and the Media will say he is a Traitor and Spy. They have made it political suicide.

Here's to the possibility of peace

As a fan of the show 'Blue Mountain State', when I saw "THAAD" (THAD) Missile System, I got a little bit of a laugh

We have tried to work a deal with that crazy SOB since he took over. Remember the "6 Party Talks", it's not going to work. They asked us to come to the table and then they tested a nuc. As for China, is this the same China that built artificial islands in violation international laws? My dad served in the Korean Police action, it effected him until the day he died. I was sent there in 1980 as a deterrent after the South Korean president was taken out, it's a whole different world there. If we do get into a scrap with them we need to turn the country into a parking lot. For some reason this site is censoring the word that means an official was killed by an assailant.

I believe working a deal with a mad man is beyond logical. No matter which of these mad men you are speaking of.

But But But... Lil Kim endorsed Trump

http://nationalreport.net/kim-jong-un-endorses-donald-trump/

Logistically we'd be spread a little thin, the biggest assets we have in the far east are the allies in Japan and SK, both of whom allow us to perform military operations from their soil. But personnel wise, with only about 30k stationed in SK and another 50k in japan, we have quite a force over there, not to mention naval/air capabilities being there would afford in an first strike assault or even strategic HVT strike. I think we would be better equipped in that type of conflict than the MOUT style we have been in OEF/OIF.

That being said, as far as a covert OP, yes I'm sure everyone would know it was us, or an ally...NK has no shortage of enemies. But to my point, any offensive action would have to have China approval, even if it is wink wink type deal. I think if China had to choose between supporting NK or losing 600billion in export revenue they aren't dumb. But I agree, and I said tongue in cheek, obviously the framework for succession would have to be in place. My point was mainly that in the best interest of the world and even NK is that Fatboy isn't in power

I don't really see any way out of WW3. China is ready to rampage and so is Russia. They are both in a formal alliance with each other. They are also allies of Iran and North Korea and both of those countries are also hungry to have a war.

Russia will steamroll Europe. Flatout steam roll them.

China will wash over Japan like a tidal wave. They will team up with NK to run over South Korea as well.

Iran will run rampant over the middle east. Turkey will either join up with them or most likely attempt to take a neutral stance.

The US will be so busy "trying" to protect our many useless allies that I doubt the mainland of China ever suffers any real damage. Would be nice if Canada actually had a real military to help defend Alaska.

Meanwhile half the cowardly liberals will just want to surrender because guns are evil =P Conservatives will let everyone starve and foreclose on all properties of dead soldiers.

Then the nukes will start to fly and nothing else really matters again for 10,000 years while humanity attempts to rebuild itself again like it did from the last world war that nearly destroyed the planet 8000 plus years ago.

Thus the Wheel of Time ever turns and repeats itself over and over again...

Keep in mind, there has to be a solution after Fatboy gets kicked out.

Power Vaccuums can be extremely dangerous. Who succeeds him? He killed his uncle. Killed his brother. Killed a lot of the old guard. There's always that chance that you're stuck with someone as bad or even worse.

That or you get some psycho civil war that can get really ugly with a country that has weapons (and a military) like theirs and of their size. Well-trained or not


I've grown to be hesitant to do much when it comes to these dictators. We went and got Gadaffi (and i'm still not sure we had any choice) and it's left the situation worse. Syria has become a total mess (IMO we should have intervened at the onset, we might have saved the whole situation, but who knows, could have become a mess as well). At this point, is Iraq better or worse off without Saddam?


The stakes get real high in modern warfare. Killing someone's leader can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. No matter how nuts "Lil Kim" is. Hopefully China will eventually just deal with it

No.

Europe...
France and Germany will Nuke Russian troops and tanks into dust with England on standby.
England and the US will control the skies and sea.
Russia will limp home.

Asia...
We will control the skies and sea.
China will control the land.
Over time their troops will be decimated from the air and sea.
They will lose interest and go home.

Then Trump will land on a carrier to a big "Mission Accomplished" sign.

Really, I'm a Republican, but you saying Trump won't permit it is plan baloney. What's he going to do, invade the North, air strike the north, OR nuke them....come on. I think only response is continued isolation of NK, but that hurts their people.

Nukes- Orwell system....some pigs are better than other pigs.

We got nukes, you can't have them.....baloney. How can we justify that position. Is it logical-no. Our ethics are better than your ethics- NO, only logically.

Nuking someone isn't the answer, neither is isolating them, Trump/leaders have a real hard one there. Lastly, in Korea, we have a truce ONLY, peace is sort of there....but not really.

My take, I don't want us to be policeman of world- Japan, China, Southeast Asian countries have to figure it out.

Engaged, but NOT sole provider for everyone.

Ok, hitt, you can sit around with the rest until NK has an ICBM capable of hitting the United States if you want.

Fat Boy has shown he is murderous and hell bent in going out in a blaze of glory, taking as many as possible with him.

I am not willing to ignore him and isolate him until he is capable of launching. We have ignored him long enough and look where it has gotten us.

I prefer Trumps idea, "Not Gonna Happen."

I think we need to take them out of the equation when it comes to their nuclear capabilities.

(from the movie: Team America: World Police)

So your answer is a strike to take out his assets, you think the Chinese and Russia will do nothing.

You are willing to start another war in Korea assuming the two powers above will do nothing AND the NK army doesn't have the capability of sweeping thru most of South Korea quickly.

JMHO, to many video games, glad you are not our president AND hope our too much TWEETING president has no such ideas/thoughts.