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I've said this since day 1 .... they WON'T GET NOTHING FOR HIM ... he will get them a 3rd rounder as a compensatory pick ..

so that changes the equation QUITE A BIT ...

Which team trades down when they think they can draft a franchise QB? That doesn't make any sense.

Let me help them:

I said or, geesh ... But I truly believe we are going to see what I have been saying and that is ... with the first pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select QB Mitch Trubisky NC, and I would be ok with that ... JMHO

DTers would explode.

I don't think it's an outrageous thing, really. I'm not saying I'm a proponent of it, but if the coach/FO think Trubisky is a franchise QB, that's more valuable that Garrett. Plus I'm guessing there will be some solid DE options at #12.

What if we signed Tyrod Taylor in FA
Drafted Trubisky at #1
Drafted Barnett at #12

Hue did say he wanted a vet and a rookie, no?

Again, not saying I prefer Trubisky over Garrett, just that the idea of a having a franchise QB is more important. Whether that fits him, I have no clue, but I do like his potential.

Why would they get such a high pick for their backup qb? Is the pick based on what they have already done and been paid, or only on the value of the contract they sign? I don't see why the Pats should get such a high pick for him. He hasn't done anything yet. He may in the future though.

Compensatory picks are based on the size of the contract the player signs.

Ok, thanks. Do you what determines the order the picks are given to teams? Is it by contract value, team record, or whatever? This would also have an effect on the value of the pick.

http://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

Pats offered 32 for cooks but the saints wanted a higher pick. Maybe a 3 way trade could happen. We get Jimmy and a 3rd from the saints. Saints get 12. Pats get cooks and maybe a 4th or 5th from the saints?

j/c:


https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/839190464062439424

If this is true....just move on.

Two #1s? lmao, Bellyache!!
They better back off that pipe dream of a demand.
Or not.

I don't think the Pats want to trade him because they believe he's the guy after Brady leaves. Hopefully this is bad info from the reporter

That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks.

Who's paying that? I doubt we will. (Of course who knows, but that would just [censored] me off.) I'd be shocked if 49er do, they seem to want Cousins. Bears? They seem to like Glennon. Jets? Not to the Pats.

so who is gonna view this as a FO failure because they aren't willing to trade two 1st for jimmy G...

Don't forget BB doesn't have to do anything this year, It was just mentioned on NFL network they could wait till next year, franchise him, then trade him then. His stock won't fall by not playing, but that would be a high franchise # for them.

No one

2 1sts for a backup ... lol

If they don't trade him it's because they realize he's a much better insurance policy for Brady next year than Brissett ... i said that 3 MONTHS ago and was crapped on by the ENTIRE board ...

All the talk at this point is irrelivent ... we'll know at the latest when we get half way through round 2 of the 2nd night of the draft ...

It all depends on what Billecheck thinks he's worth ... NO ONE ELSE ...

U mean other than Mac ... *L* ...

No. two 1st's for a backup who's played 6 quarters.

Next BB will be asking for a 1st and 3rd for Brissett ...

MKC just cited a source, who parroted what the garafolo guy tweeted. Are her sources all just people with Twitter accounts?

edit: typo

Twitter and the voices in her head.

mac doesn't like Jimmy G. At all!

He doesn't like Myles Garrett either.

He's very smart.

I have a feeling that there are few more chapters w/twists and turns in this book and hopefully it will have a happy ending and Jimmy G will be the Brown's QB for 10+ years.

I'm keeping track of Twitter mentions and random bs sources which probably don't mean anything but that's how all news starts so you never know. It's actually seeming possible! Cross your fingers.

Not the ENTIRE board.

I think sometimes the meaning of posts gets lost in translation. LOL

J/C

Garoppolo trade reporting overlooks most important issue

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...mportant-issue/

The Jimmy Garoppolo reporting, which prompted on Wednesday a mild outbreak of ESPN-on-ESPN crime, continues to overlook the most important factor regarding whether a trade will happen: Whether Garoppolo wants it.

His recent “your guess is good as mine” routine conceals this dynamic, but the reality is that Garoppolo won’t be traded for significant compensation if he refuses to do a long-term deal with his new employer. If he doesn’t want to play for a given team at all, the likelihood that he’ll do a long-term deal decreases to nearly nil.

What team would give up a first-round pick and more for a player who is a season away from the Kirk Cousins franchise-tag square dance? While plenty of teams have shown over the years an ongoing willingness to do dumb things, it would be a new level of dumb to send a large haul of picks for a player who provides no guarantee regarding his ongoing employment.

Then again, there could be a team or two willing to engage in that level of dumb in an effort to find a franchise quarterback. Especially since dumb is one of the reasons some of the teams looking for franchise quarterbacks don’t have one.

I'm on my phone so I can't post the article.

The Browns would reportedly trade the 12th overall pick for Jimmy Garoppolo, but what else would the Patriots want.
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Report: Browns would trade 12th overall pick for Jimmy Garoppolo

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 7, 2017, 7:39 PM EST

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Despite reports that the Patriots will not trade backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, the Browns would like to see if there’s a deal that could pry Garoppolo out of New England.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns’ “dream scenario” would be trading the 12th overall pick for Garoppolo after using the first overall pick on pass rusher Myles Garrett.

That, however, would probably not be enough for the Patriots to give up Garoppolo. They reportedly would want a first-round pick this year as well as a conditional pick that could be as good as another first-rounder in 2018. That might be more than the Browns are willing to deal.

But there’s more to the Garoppolo trade than just whether the Patriots and the Browns (or some other team) can agree on compensation. There’s also what Garoppolo wants to do. Publicly, Garoppolo is saying it’s out of his hands, but the reality is he can exert an enormous amount of influence over his future. If he wants to leave New England and go somewhere he can start, he could start speaking publicly about being unhappy as a backup. Bill Belichick doesn’t like having guys in the locker room who don’t buy into what the Patriots are doing, so if Garoppolo started making noises about wanting to leave, Belichick would likely move him. Conversely, if Garoppolo doesn’t want to go to Cleveland (or any other team), he can announce that he will not agree to a long-term contract extension with any team that trades for him without his consent. That wouldn’t prevent him from being traded, but it would make a trade unlikely, as teams don’t want to trade first-round picks for players who are going to leave in free agency a year later.

Until we know whether or not Garoppolo wants to play for the Browns, we can’t know how likely a trade is. But it sounds like a trade the Browns would like to make.

‪ http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/07/report-browns-would-trade-12th-overall-pick-for-jimmy-garoppolo/‬

Thanks for the information.

My biggest fear in this is that Jimmy G might not want to come to Cleveland and will make it known to both the Pats and Browns that he won't sign an extension here.

I have no idea if that is true and there is no evidence to say it is, but I can see that derailing the trade that would save our franchise.

But, I am gonna think positive thoughts:

G and G for Garrett and Garoppolo!

G and G
G and G
G and G

for someone who's played like 3 games and Bill B. would feel comfortable trading? beware

Who would you prefer?

Yet, others would prefer to pin their future on a kid who has played 13 college games.

I don't know man....both are gambles, I hear ya. But, I would prefer to roll the dice on JG than Trubisky.