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Yet, others would prefer to pin their future on a kid who has played 13 college games.

I don't know man....both are gambles, I hear ya. But, I would prefer to roll the dice on JG than Trubisky.

Who would you prefer?

IF and that's a big IF Jimmy G. doesn't want to be traded and won't resign once he does then you just have to move on. He is not a slave and has a right to choose who he plays for on his second contract. I think if Jimmy gets to meet with Hue though he would love playing for him.

And I get your reluctance, too.

It's certainly a gamble, as are almost all qb moves.

Thanks for responding w/class. You have a legit point and very well could be right. I have a legit point and could be right.

Good discussion w/no BS!

JimmyG would be our best shot at a franchise guy right at this moment ... but it's a steep price financially and draft pick-wise. I don't think that juice is worth the squeeze.

Well if you think about it even if we traded 12 and 53 for jimmy it would essentially be wentz for jimmy and like half our draft class from last year. Id take Jimmy straight up over wentz so for me it's a win

Yes, I would take Jimmy Garrapolo over both Mitchell Trubisky and Desahun Watson.

No, I would not trade the #q overall for Jimmy Garrapolo.

If I was the Browns front office I would take Myles Garrett and then do what needs to be done to get a QB.

And then JG won't sign long term with Browns what then?

I am not really good at determining value, so I really don't know if giving up the 12th pick is right or not. I will say that if people are willing to take a qb w/the 12th pick in the draft, then they should be okay w/trading it for Jimmy G, because I think he is a better prospect than any qb in the draft.

Well, if he's good. Franchise him.

And I feel he's good here. He'll most likely sign long term

But I think if anything is gonna happen, it's gonna happen soon. Cause if Tyrod becomes available, we're gonna have to start negotiating for him. And if he doesn't, we'll begin negotiating with other guys as well

Some men you just can't reach

If people are willing to use a #1 on an unproven rookie (inc Sam Darnold) why not a guy who has been coached and tutored for a few years by the best? Somebody who only has a few starts, but, has at least seen pro-defensive schemes, pro playbooks and has made that transition from college ball to pro ball.

Again, I only throw this out as devils advocate. I AM NOT advocating we use the 1 for JG. But, it is a valid argument if we are happy to say things like "fail for Cardale", "suck for Luck" and then talk about grabbing an unproven college guy like Watson, Trubisky, Goff, Wentz or Darnold.

Because you know you will have them through their rookie contract JG could refuse to re-sign and you waste your pic on a one year rental.

If we didn't have Myles Garrett in our laps, and if the QB crop is as questionable as this year's is said to be, maybe you do trade 1st overall.

If they were to sign him, even with the 12, they need to lock him up for longer than one year. I suspect they would.

If he was locked and wanted to play here good if not it's a waste.

I am an advocate of making the trade for Jimmy G, bro....but, let's make it real:

To me, it's all about skill set when it comes to QBs. We have posters on here who pontificate about production and systems. But, at the end of the day...........you gotta look at a guy's skill set and keep it independent of other variables.

Jimmy G doesn't quite check all the boxes like an Andrew Luck. However, I think he checks a lot of them. I'll provide a run down for whoever is interested:

--Accuracy: Superb. I think this is one of the most important attributes a qb can have. I remember Razor pimping the guy a few years ago when I wanted Teddy....so, I started researching Jimmy G........mostly in order to discredit him. LOL...yeah, I admit it. But man, the guy won me over. I think he has a couple of question marks and I still liked Teddy better, but Jimmy impressed the hell outta me. His accuracy is supreme.

--Quick Release: Again, it's outstanding. Probably the best in that class and that was a great class.

--Reading defenses pre and post snap: I didn't get a good feel of his pre snap reads in college, but in NE, you could see him making the right reads and checking into the right plays. His post snap reads have always been outstanding.

--Arm strength: Above average. Not Rodgers like, but he can make every throw.

--Decision making: This was my concern. I thought he was a bit of a gunslinger. He would trust his arm too much and fire balls into tight windows. It worked in college, but I worried that it might lead to picks in the NFL where the players are faster and more instinctive.

--Size: Adequate. Nothing more, nothing less.

--Pocket presence: Very good. Feels pressure. Will stand in there.

--Leadership: Very strong.

--Anticipation: One of the few younger qbs who has demonstrated the ability to throw before the receiver makes his break. Some concern about anticipating the coverage.


--Intelligence: Very high. One of the smarter qbs you will find. His ability to look off safeties is very impressive.

--Ability to go through Progressions: Linked to intelligence. Very good. You could see the guy go from one target to the next.

Summary: I think Jimmy G checks almost all the boxes. I was really concerned w/his gunslinger attitude......let me clarify that......I like a guy who will take chances.....see Big Ben and hate guys who are afraid to make throws......see Kessler.....but, you can't turn the ball over too much. Make sense? Anyway........I thought Jimmy G took too many chances and trusted his arm too much. I thought that that would translate into picks in the NFL. That still may be true, but perhaps the NE thing changed that attitude because I really didn't see it in his limited time in the NFL. What better team to learn the importance of ball security than NE?

What to do? I know there is a risk w/this guy, but I think he is a safer pick than any other option. I know that sounds crazy, but I say that because I think his chance of success far outweighs anyone else who is available. I would do the deal provided it doesn't take the first overall pick.