DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Terrelle Pryor - Chapter 2

I think that's smart...8 was where i thought he'd be. we already know Steelers want no part of him at 10, while other teams may be stupid , I'd follow their lead before the likes of SF and tampa. We're at 8 and he wants 10..no problem, throw in some incentives to allow him to reach 10 based on production. Both sides win

Say $52M for five years with $25 Guaranteed. You can't enter this agreement without believing you're going to keep him for three-four years. I don't see how even a high guarantee of $40M would be all that prohibitive if you plan on keeping him.

Injuries? One year wonder?

$25 million guaranteed would make Pryor the 7th highest paid wide receiver in the league. $40 million guaranteed would make him fourth.

I think $20 million guaranteed (or a little more) is what he'll end up getting. I'd be fine with that.

Me as' well!

If that were to be seen as a legitimate concern, no one would ever get paid. Give the guy $20-25M guaranteed, and move on, IMHO.

The problem is that Drew is his agent and he'll demand max guaranteed.

Surprised it wasn't mentioned yet, but Pryor removed Cleveland Browns from his twitter info.

About an hour after it was noted, he put it back.

He's long gone. My guess, Philly.

I really hope this all just smoke and we don't lose him...but I'm thinking he is going elsewhere...and our front office will go with someone like Kenny Britt, as we don't believe in retaining emerging talent...well seems like that anymore.

Mac is going to be insufferable.

If he somehow gets away, someone actually needs to ask the front office what is going on. This would be inexcusable. In no particular order mine would be:

1. Do they want to win?

2. Do they believe in keeping good players?

3. What is their justification for not signing Pryor?

4. Who is their replacement for Pryor? This individual better be able to step in and play immediately and actually be good. I am tired of WR's who suck and don't have the patience for it anymore after the last front office. When you get talent, I don't understand the notion of getting rid of it. What on earth are we doing with our salary cap?

5. To Sashi Brown, do you feel like you're qualified for this job still?

This front office is insufferable.

The problem is agents and players don't like incentives on players who seek more high end contracts. Incentives are for unproven guys or broken down guys who have to show they can still produce or stay on the field.


I agree that 8Mill was a good starting point. The last thing you want to do is set the market and set it too high. TP and his agent know we have the most money to offer, so it would be foolish to not come back and take one more swing at us to see if they can do better before signing elsewhere. If they do, so much for TP wanting to stay in Cleveland.

I don't want to lose TP any more than anyone else, but we can't get in to bad deals like we did with Mack and his opt out clause. We should have walked away from that from the beginning. Go play for the Jags and opt out on them.

As fans we go on emotion. The FO can't do that. They have to do what they feel is in the best, long term interest of the team.

I think the FO has made some good moves this off season. Getting TP signed isn't going to make it or break it for me as it seems it will for some.

I just mailed a check on Saturday for $2743 to renew my seats. I mean what else am I going to do with basically $3000 that brings me as much enjoyment as going to games does? Go on some crappy 4-5 day cruise to Mexico?


If nothing else, Cleveland has a really nice restaurant scene. I enjoy my 2-3 night stays in my hometown, not to mention in most years things line up and am able to attend a Indians or Cavs games. In really good years, am able to attend one of each!

I am from Greater Cleveland, and proud of it, so I like to go back and support my teams and city. I am not going to dump my support at this stage of life because they aren't winning. The Browns are my team.

I am proud to be a Browns fan and season ticket holder.

And greedy owners prey on suckers who believe in blind loyalty to a business that is about making as much money as they can. It's not an admirable character trait like standing by a friend when he is down or by staying married to the same woman or working for an employer who always treated you fairly.

And all this talk about spending wisely is overplayed. I believe the salary cap has been increasing by about $10-12 million a year. The days of teams being crippled by the cap are gone.

I don't consider myself a sucker.


Sorry that you do.


Tell you what, I don't want you going to another Browns game if you don't want to go. You can spend your money any way you wish, and I can spend my money any way I wish.

You want to take a crappy cruise out of Tampa to Mexico, take it, but I won't call you a sucker. Whatever floats your boat. It's your money.

Thanks.

State of AFC North: Building up Pryor; Bell plays ‘what if’; Marshall to Ravens?

by PatrickJudis@PatrickJudis Mar 7, 2017, 3:00pm EST

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/3/7/14824318/afc-north-pryor-bell-marshall-ravens


Cleveland fans are overreacting about Pryor

It wasn’t that long ago that we thought Pryor re-signing with the Browns was a sure thing, but nothing has been finalized. Browns fans are starting to panic. Why? They build up these average players in folklore fashion.

Pryor had a productive year, but it was his only NFL season with actual production and the circumstances were ripe for it to happen. Pryor took advantage of a situation where the Browns had no true number one receiver. He simply was the most trusted target on a bad squad. Someone has to get the targets. To Cleveland fans, he was one of the few shimmers of hope from a terrible season, so there is a natural tendency to want to hang on to that; but Pryor is easily replaceable.

Let’s look at free agency first. Not a lot of the top guys are going to want to sign with Cleveland. Marshall isn’t wasting what could be his final years in a rebuild. However, guys like Kenny Stills and Kamar Aiken may be willing to accept the loads of cash the Browns are willing to dish out.

The draft is where real upgrades can begin. There is a good chance a guy like Corey Davis or Mike Williams falls to 12 if the Brown so choose to use that pick on a receiver. Even if they wait, there is some real depth at the position. JuJu Smith-Schuster out of USC gives the Browns a potential upgrade at a fraction of the cost.

The Browns shouldn’t develop strong ties to many of these players. Playing very well on a very bad team doesn’t mean you’re a very good player.

Maybe the dumbest article about the Browns ever written.

Conversing with us on this site? And we're a lot cheaper than 3 grand...

j/c:


https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/839451712498847744

If true, where does this put Pryor? Higher or lower?

If they didn't offer Pryor anything then his price is whatever his best offer is at this point.

It's debatable, but I look at it this way. I would be disappointed if the Browns let Pryor walk and then gave that same money to DJax.

Translation: I would rather have Pryor at this point of their careers.

No kidding. I think most people prefer Pryor over DJax. I'm speaking in terms of market value if Jackson gets that $. The market will get set because of contracts at positions. If the market determines Jackson's value at $11 million, is Pryor higher or lower?

I'm guessing you'd go higher based on your response.

https://twitter.com/SportsBoyTony/status/839462766306033664

Joel Corry: Overpaying Terrelle Pryor Won’t Cripple The Browns But It Could Hurt Future Negotiations For The Team
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/03/08...s-for-the-team/
(Audio Link)

mac, that article was written by a guy who writes about the Bengals. LOL

He is making fun of Brown's fans for wanting to keep Pryor and then he suggests we use the 12th overall pick on a WR.

Genius..........Pure genius.

Browns’ analytics department may not be high on Terrelle Pryor

osted by Michael David Smith on March 8, 2017, 8:35 AM EST

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...terrelle-pryor/

Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor was one of the surprise breakout stars of the 2016 NFL season, a former quarterback who played a brand new position and led an otherwise lousy passing offense with 77 catches for 1,007 yards. So why do the Browns appear poised to let Pryor test free agency tomorrow, rather than locking him up to a long-term contract?

The answer appears to be that the analytics department in Cleveland isn’t quite sold on Pryor.

Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland reports that Pryor thinks he can get more than $12 million a year in free agency, and the Browns’ valuation of Pryor is way below that figure. A big part of sports analytics, especially in a league like the NFL with a hard salary cap, is putting a monetary value on a player and making sure he doesn’t take up more cap space than he’s worth, and so while the Browns may like Pryor, they apparently don’t like him enough to pay him the kind of money he thinks some other team will pay him.

From all indications, Browns head coach Hue Jackson is a fan of Pryor’s. Jackson was the Raiders’ head coach when they drafted Pryor (as a quarterback) in 2011, and Jackson was the Bengals’ offensive coordinator when they gave Pryor a shot at earning a roster spot in the 2015 offseason. But Jackson doesn’t call the shots on player contracts.

So if the Browns’ analytics suggest that Pryor is unlikely to play well enough to justify an eight-figure salary, Pryor will see if he can get an eight-figure salary elsewhere. Perhaps as soon as tomorrow.

Go ahead and break the glass.. It's time to hit the..

j/c:


https://twitter.com/KenCarmanShow/status/839476901794222082

It's hard for me to say what to pay him. I don't have a lot of knowledge about contracts and market value. I am just saying that I think Pryor is a better option at this point in their careers and I think the Browns should pay fair market value...whatever that number might be.

Didn't you say do it the Steelers way?


Terrelle Pryor, Dre Kirkpatrick seem too pricey for Steelers' comfort

Unless free agency gets weird, though, high-priced options Dre Kirkpatrick and Terrelle Pryor probably won't be the Steelers' solutions to those needs...

As for Pryor, the sense I get is the Steelers like his ability but consider him relatively raw as a receiver and too pricey, possibly commanding double-figure millions per year.

http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-stee...teelers-comfort

jackson is worth more than Pryor..god people have homer glasses on. Jackson has years worth of success, much better production and is only 2 years older than pryor who just started playing last year...how much better do people think he's going to get at that age? I agree with keeping him, but if someone wants to give him the 13-15 mill he's seeking..oh well, the front office deserves flak for some of the things they've done, but if they let him walk when he would get that kind of money then c'est la vie..

I hate LaConfora and disagree with most of his writings, but it sure would be great to have to eat some crow and that happen.

Browns’ analytics department may not be high on Terrelle Pryor

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 8, 2017, 8:35 AM EST
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Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor was one of the surprise breakout stars of the 2016 NFL season, a former quarterback who played a brand new position and led an otherwise lousy passing offense with 77 catches for 1,007 yards. So why do the Browns appear poised to let Pryor test free agency tomorrow, rather than locking him up to a long-term contract?

The answer appears to be that the analytics department in Cleveland isn’t quite sold on Pryor.

Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland reports that Pryor thinks he can get more than $12 million a year in free agency, and the Browns’ valuation of Pryor is way below that figure. A big part of sports analytics, especially in a league like the NFL with a hard salary cap, is putting a monetary value on a player and making sure he doesn’t take up more cap space than he’s worth, and so while the Browns may like Pryor, they apparently don’t like him enough to pay him the kind of money he thinks some other team will pay him.

From all indications, Browns head coach Hue Jackson is a fan of Pryor’s. Jackson was the Raiders’ head coach when they drafted Pryor (as a quarterback) in 2011, and Jackson was the Bengals’ offensive coordinator when they gave Pryor a shot at earning a roster spot in the 2015 offseason. But Jackson doesn’t call the shots on player contracts.

So if the Browns’ analytics suggest that Pryor is unlikely to play well enough to justify an eight-figure salary, Pryor will see if he can get an eight-figure salary elsewhere. Perhaps as soon as tomorrow.

Brandon Marshall 2 year $12 Million.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/839485461424975872

Wonder what this means for Pryor & wide receiver market. Marshall's age is a huge factor in all of this, but not his past production.

Still think Pryor get more $$

Agreed! That would be the best news all day

Well he is younger so I would say 4 years $32 mil. which means we will keep him ...

At the very least it [probably] takes one of Pryor's potential suitors off the market.

Jackson is the top of the market. I think he gets paid more than any of the other guys (Jeffery, Pryor, Garcon, etc.).