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Some morning tidbits: Expect avg salary for WR @DeSeanJackson11 to be over $11M per yr. #Cowboys, #Eagles, #Patriots & #Bucs in mix for now.

https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/839451712498847744

If true, where does this put Pryor? Higher or lower?


Jackson is the top of the market. I think he gets paid more

than any of the other guys (Jeffery, Pryor, Garcon, etc.).


NFL Network is saying he will get around $10 mil. per year


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Some morning tidbits: Expect avg salary for WR @DeSeanJackson11 to be over $11M per yr. #Cowboys, #Eagles, #Patriots & #Bucs in mix for now.

https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/839451712498847744

If true, where does this put Pryor? Higher or lower?


Jackson is the top of the market. I think he gets paid more

than any of the other guys (Jeffery, Pryor, Garcon, etc.).


NFL Network is saying he will get around $10 mil. per year


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For all the talk that D Jackson is heading back to Philly, I am told the big money bidder is the Bucs at over 10 per year....wow.....


https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/839495393477980162

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Pryor will be soon to follow IMO.


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When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/839509575413940224

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That's INSANE for Garcon. Niners showing why they stay bad. Hurts Browns-Pryor talks big time.

https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/839510249753219073

I agree!


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too much for Garcon IMO wow


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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too much for Garcon IMO wow


for sure, he is at the bottom of FA wr rankings...sounds like lynch is off to a great start..lol


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There is always THAT one team that effs up the market for everyone else. Haha.


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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/83950957541394022


This also [likely] takes a team out of Pryor's market though. That is a good thing.

We need the Titans to sign Alshon Jeffery. If that happens, I will feel much more comfortable.

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I'm a big fan of Garcon, but at 16mil there, first year only or not - wow. Dumb move IMO by San Fran.

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$8 million salary with another $8 million signing bonus included in that amount I would think. Is that not typical of most free agent signings.

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I'm a big fan of Garcon, but at 16mil there, first year only or not - wow. Dumb move IMO by San Fran.


That would make him the second highest paid wide receiver in 2017.

http://overthecap.com/contracts

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People aren't taking into account that it's mostly signing bonus. The article was made that way to get exactly this reaction

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People aren't taking into account that it's mostly signing bonus. The article was made that way to get exactly this reaction


That's still a ridiculous amount, IMO. And this feels like that common overpaying of a free agent in their thirties that will be cut in a year or two. So, $16M in year one of possibly two years is crazy to me.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/83950957541394022


This also [likely] takes a team out of Pryor's market though. That is a good thing.

We need the Titans to sign Alshon Jeffery. If that happens, I will feel much more comfortable.


I know most people here don't feel this way .. I would rather have Jeffery than Pryor.. but it would be nice to have both

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Jeffrey is good. Real good. However, he gets injured a lot and he was suspended for 4 games last year for PED's.

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To me.. PEDs show me that the guy is trying.. doing all he can to be better.. I would much rather have the PEDs thasn the Party drugs. Usually after the 4 game bust for PEDs, you usually do not see further problems.. but after 4 game bust for party drugs.. you almost have to kiss them goodbye


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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
To me.. PEDs show me that the guy is trying.. doing all he can to be better.. I would much rather have the PEDs thasn the Party drugs. Usually after the 4 game bust for PEDs, you usually do not see further problems.. but after 4 game bust for party drugs.. you almost have to kiss them goodbye


i said that yesterday. offer pryor a fair deal in the 8 mill range or move on and try to get Alshon


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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/83950957541394022


This also [likely] takes a team out of Pryor's market though. That is a good thing.

We need the Titans to sign Alshon Jeffery. If that happens, I will feel much more comfortable.


I know most people here don't feel this way .. I would rather have Jeffery than Pryor.. but it would be nice to have both


Our team (coaching staff, front office, players, etc.) knows Pryor and his character, fit, work ethic, etc. They don't know Jeffery. That has value. I'm taking Pryor.

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When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/83950957541394022


This also [likely] takes a team out of Pryor's market though. That is a good thing.

We need the Titans to sign Alshon Jeffery. If that happens, I will feel much more comfortable.


I know most people here don't feel this way .. I would rather have Jeffery than Pryor.. but it would be nice to have both


Our team (coaching staff, front office, players, etc.) knows Pryor and his character, fit, work ethic, etc. They don't know Jeffery. That has value. I'm taking Pryor.


lol Jeffery has much more tape on him at WR than pryor does, with better production. I don't believe for a second they'd over pay for pryor to pass on jeffery given the analytics side of it. That said, i would bet on Pryor being here next year at no more than 10 max/year with alot of incentives built in


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When Pierre Garcon finalizes deal with 49ers, as expected, league sources believe he will make $16 million in first year.
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/83950957541394022


This also [likely] takes a team out of Pryor's market though. That is a good thing.

We need the Titans to sign Alshon Jeffery. If that happens, I will feel much more comfortable.


I know most people here don't feel this way .. I would rather have Jeffery than Pryor.. but it would be nice to have both


Our team (coaching staff, front office, players, etc.) knows Pryor and his character, fit, work ethic, etc. They don't know Jeffery. That has value. I'm taking Pryor.


lol Jeffery has much more tape on him at WR than pryor does, with better production.


I'm not talking about tape. I'm talking about knowing a person. That is valuable. Players just don't automatically fit into new situations. Pryor is more valuable to us than Jeffery. Teammates see that his had work is rewarded, we know he will work hard if he gets paid (presumably), we know what his teammates think of him, etc. All of that stuff is valuable. With Jeffery it is all unknown.

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I think Jeffrey will get the most money of any WR this year. Why not just keep Pryor? He doesn't have either the PED's or the party drugs.

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Jc ... anyone know how old Jefferies is ..

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
I'm not talking about tape. I'm talking about knowing a person. That is valuable. Players just don't automatically fit into new situations. Pryor is more valuable to us than Jeffery. Teammates see that his had work is rewarded, we know he will work hard if he gets paid (presumably), we know what his teammates think of him, etc. All of that stuff is valuable. With Jeffery it is all unknown.


Exactly. Whether it's only been a year or not. We've seen Pryor in this system, within this locker room, under this coaching staff, by this coaching staff.

There's a lot more unknowns to us bringing in Alshon Jeffrey (who, has anyone on this team ever coached?) than to keeping Pryor.

Plus, it does show the locker room that if you play well, you get rewarded. There's continuity too

I'll take Pryor over Jeffrey for sure. And what makes anyone think that Jeffrey would want to play here in another bad QB situation for a bad team?


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Jeffery should be the most paid FA WR in my mind.


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I'm not talking about tape. I'm talking about knowing a person. That is valuable. Players just don't automatically fit into new situations. Pryor is more valuable to us than Jeffery. Teammates see that his had work is rewarded, we know he will work hard if he gets paid (presumably), we know what his teammates think of him, etc. All of that stuff is valuable. With Jeffery it is all unknown.


Exactly. Whether it's only been a year or not. We've seen Pryor in this system, within this locker room, under this coaching staff, by this coaching staff.

There's a lot more unknowns to us bringing in Alshon Jeffrey (who, has anyone on this team ever coached?) than to keeping Pryor.

Plus, it does show the locker room that if you play well, you get rewarded. There's continuity too

I'll take Pryor over Jeffrey for sure. And what makes anyone think that Jeffrey would want to play here in another bad QB situation for a bad team?


I'd take Alshon over pryor every single day and twice on sunday when it comes to talent playing the WR position. I am all for keeping our own talent, but not when that talent thinks he's worth 13-15 per year and has only played the position 1 year his whole life..the homerism is strong for pryor I get it..but theres a reason no other team is touching him right now..and that reason is drew rosenhaus. The whole, our team knows him and all that...account for very little in the NFL..and not knowing anything about Alshon, do you really think that's true, that we don't have people gathering intelligence on every single FA? Not to mention his production in the nfl vs Pryor?


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This whole exercise with Pryor is a little confusing to me.

Hue made this guy. He showed him the way to a big paycheck.

Pryor took the advice and made it happen with hard work then delivered.

Shashi needs to get this done. It falls in his court. You have to show you are willing to reward those who work hard and deliver when called upon.

Pryor is just scratching the surface. He has put up numbers and he was basically a rookie. Once he refines his route running and learns the fine points watch out.

See what he is offered and go get him with a fair price.

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Grab em TP and Jeffery. Then use your picks on defense in a draft that is awesome in defensive players.


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i agree with bone, unless what pryor is asking is just way beyond what he's worth (according to what others will offer him as well).

I'm good with taking what his market value is (say $11 million per) and adding a bit to it


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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i agree with bone, unless what pryor is asking is just way beyond what he's worth (according to what others will offer him as well).

I'm good with taking what his market value is (say $11 million per) and adding a bit to it


Have heard Pryor was seeking 12-13 per year money. Teams offering 6-8

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I'd take Alshon over pryor every single day and twice on sunday when it comes to talent playing the WR position. I am all for keeping our own talent, but not when that talent thinks he's worth 13-15 per year and has only played the position 1 year his whole life..the homerism is strong for pryor I get it..but theres a reason no other team is touching him right now..and that reason is drew rosenhaus. The whole, our team knows him and all that...account for very little in the NFL..and not knowing anything about Alshon, do you really think that's true, that we don't have people gathering intelligence on every single FA? Not to mention his production in the nfl vs Pryor?


I don' think it's homerism at all. It's common sense. Sure, we have people "gathering intelligence", but there is no more intelligence than what your coaching staff has gathered working with the guy every day.

There's a lot of variables that come into play with Alshon that don't with Pryor. I mean, what if Jeffrey and Al Saunders/Hue Jackson simply don't get along? Right there, it can be a toxic work environment, and we might not get the most out of the guy.

This isn't Madden. These are people. Like any job (but especially football where there's so much teamwork involved), a lot of things are fit. I work better with some people than others. As a professional, I do my best no matter what, but there's some Captains I prefer to work with than others. And other people prefer a Captain I refuse to work with over one I have no issue working with.

And in Football, some scheme are set up better for players than others. They make more sense to the players or fit the players better. Pryor has played in our scheme. It's the same O-Coordinator. The same plays.


That's what I like about homegrown guys. Our FO has a better idea about what they'll get out of TP (and how he'll produce) after working with him for 1 year, than what they'll get out of Jeffrey from the "intelligence" they've gathered and what they have seen of him in Chicago. I stand by that.


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i agree with bone, unless what pryor is asking is just way beyond what he's worth (according to what others will offer him as well).

I'm good with taking what his market value is (say $11 million per) and adding a bit to it


Have heard Pryor was seeking 12-13 per year money. Teams offering 6-8
that's a pretty big margin


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I wonder how this would of went if Pryor had literally any other agent than Rosenhaus.


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I'd take Alshon over pryor every single day and twice on sunday when it comes to talent playing the WR position. I am all for keeping our own talent, but not when that talent thinks he's worth 13-15 per year and has only played the position 1 year his whole life..the homerism is strong for pryor I get it..but theres a reason no other team is touching him right now..and that reason is drew rosenhaus. The whole, our team knows him and all that...account for very little in the NFL..and not knowing anything about Alshon, do you really think that's true, that we don't have people gathering intelligence on every single FA? Not to mention his production in the nfl vs Pryor?


I don' think it's homerism at all. It's common sense. Sure, we have people "gathering intelligence", but there is no more intelligence than what your coaching staff has gathered working with the guy every day.

There's a lot of variables that come into play with Alshon that don't with Pryor. I mean, what if Jeffrey and Al Saunders/Hue Jackson simply don't get along? Right there, it can be a toxic work environment, and we might not get the most out of the guy.

This isn't Madden. These are people. Like any job (but especially football where there's so much teamwork involved), a lot of things are fit. I work better with some people than others. As a professional, I do my best no matter what, but there's some Captains I prefer to work with than others. And other people prefer a Captain I refuse to work with over one I have no issue working with.

And in Football, some scheme are set up better for players than others. They make more sense to the players or fit the players better. Pryor has played in our scheme. It's the same O-Coordinator. The same plays.


That's what I like about homegrown guys. Our FO has a better idea about what they'll get out of TP (and how he'll produce) after working with him for 1 year, than what they'll get out of Jeffrey from the "intelligence" they've gathered and what they have seen of him in Chicago. I stand by that.


you mean the scheme that helped us to 1-15...lol Sorry but at 28, we have no idea how much better Pryor will get. At 13+ its a hard pass for me. Home grown or not.. His ceiling is WR2, he wants WR1 money and he doesn't have that skill


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Rumor: Pryor Could Return for $9-10 Million
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Could the drama about Pryor leaving Cleveland all be for nothing? New rumor is he returns.

We are expecting something to happen today with Terrelle Pryor and the most recent rumor/thought is that the Cleveland Browns will be bringing him back:

One reason is that his agent needs to move on to other players and it seems pretty obvious that the market for Pryor isn't where he or his agent thought it would be.


A deal around $10 million seems to make a lot of sense and given that both Pryor and Alshon Jeffery haven't gotten the kind of interest many expected, a deal today could come quickly.

Jeffery seems like he might be willing to wait and hope the Bears, or another team, comes with a big deal. Pryor has made less money and has less history then Jeffery, so waiting doesn't make as much sense.


http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1760979-rumor-pryor-could-return-for-9-10-million

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I wonder how this would of went if Pryor had literally any other agent than Rosenhaus.
he probably would have been signed well before FA for probably 6-8


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We are expecting something to happen today with Terrelle Pryor and the most recent rumor/thought is that the Cleveland Browns will be bringing him back:


This would be wonderful. Most important FA signing IMO.

We could also use a safety, center, and DB. But Pryor is key. Gives us a lot more options and takes a major weight off a young Corey Coleman's shoulders


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