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If they cut Taylor the only QBs they would have on the roster are Cardale Jones and somebody named Josh Woodrum.

My guess is they would try sign someone like Hoyer.

unless they are planning on Watson or someone they think will fall to them.

Not a ringing endorsement for Tyrod

I do not think all of your points are exactly correct. Seems like spin and not facts.

--They talked RGIII up big-time. Said he could be long-term starter.

Yes they said he could be a long term answer so they kicked the tires in a rebuilding year. They did not pay him like a franchise QB. That would be a wrong evaluation. They just evaluated him during a rebuilding year to see if there was anything they could get out of him.

--Liked Goff a lot. Were said to wanted him.

Maybe/Maybe not. We will never know. They were going to trade down no matter what last year. They could have talked up Goff because they thought Wentz was going #1 and wanted more picks. Also, while Goff looked bad last year the jury is still out on him.

--Did not think highly of Wentz.

Again that is putting words into their mouths. They were trading out no matter what. Wentz started off strong but faded badly in the middle of the year and he never got better. The jury is also still out on him. His stats suggests he had a Tim Couch like season and you sure did not like him at QB.

--Liked Kessler over DAK.

Dak got a DUI last year leading up to the draft. After Manziel the Browns were not going to touch him. Most on this board agreed at the time. I remember people chatting about it last year that what an idiot to get in trouble while being evluated for the draft.

They must find a franchise QB and so far 1 year into the process they have failed. While I do not think Tyrod Taylor is the answer because of his size he is not as bad as you suggest either. He is better than Teddy Bridewater that many on this board like, Who by the way has a weak arm like Kessler and a weak frame. Probbably why he is hurt right now.

Who cares?

I don't necessarily disagree with that statement but what we think is irrelevant.
The comment I addressed was why would they change for only a minimal upgrade.
I was making the claim that the Browns would not consider it only a minimal upgrade

Relax jester. I wasn't arguing w/you. Just offering an opinion. LOL

I wasn't upset
Just seemed as if there was a lack of clarity as to my statement

J/c

I think Tyrod is a better QB then most people think.
I think he and Cousins are on the same tier and if you look at the advanced metrics graded out similarly last year.
Kirk is clearly the more polished passer right now but Kirk has also been groomed in a much better system with better coaching and better weapons.
I think Tyrod is still a QB in development and hasn't reached his ceiling as a passer.
At this point in TT development he isn't a quick decision maker and tends to hold the ball.

The thoughts above are separate from my opinion about whether or not the Browns should seek to acquire him. (personally I don't think he'll be available as I expect him to stay with the Bills)

I do believe that Griffin could reach Tyrod's current level of development as passer next year IF Griffin can stay healthy. Ultimately I think Griffin could surpass Tyrod's current level of development as passer.

j/c:

I think certain people prefer certain "styles" in their qbs. For instance, some guys like pure drop back qbs like Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc. Others like athletic types who take off a lot and really don't read coverages, such as RGIII, Taylor, D. Watson, etc.

In no way, shape, or form can I see Taylor as a good of a qb as Cousins. I say this because I value these qualities:

--Accuracy

--Reading coverages

--Going through progressions

--Ability to make all the throws.

I do not think they are even close. I realize that a person can throw stats out there to make their case. I am just going by what I see in regards to their skill set.

We do this every year to. McCown wasn't any better than Hoyer or RG3 better than McCown. It's just musical chairs of crappy QBs.....I don't get it. Either really try and fix the problem this year or just play RG3/Kessler. I see no logical reason to tie up more long term money in crappy QBS......at least RG3's contract expires after this year. If your going to punt go with the stiff you can get rid of next year for nothing.

I dont think Taylor is crappy. I also dont think he is a franchise guy too. He has a lot of good and bad.


Good:
Doesnt make bad decisions when throwing.
Has a great ability to make something out of nothing.
Is a good person and a good team mate.
Cost no draft capital

Bad:
Cannot make certain timing throws.
Limits the passing offense.
Not the long term answer.

I am all for it if it is a bridge option and we draft a guy high. Hes not the answer but he is serviceable until that guy is ready/available.

See, I disagree. I think Hoyer was better than McCown. And McCown was better than RG3 (when both are healthy).

We make things so black and white on here, the truth is always in the grey.


As the poster says below, Tyrod Taylor probably isn't a franchise QB in the sense that Aaron Rogers, Big Ben, or even Matt Ryan is. But that doesn't mean that he isn't an upgrade over what we have.

I mean, I can start going through Browns QBs and there's some that are better than others. Seneca Wallace was better than Josh Bootie. Tim Couch was better than Luke McCown. And so forth. Jason Campbell was better than Graham Harrell (when he was here).

I agree, sometimes it's like putting a band-aid on a wound, but when you aren't left with many good options for addressing the wound, one of those Band-Aids the size of a MaxiPad is certainly better than one of those dot ones you use while shaving.

Gotta play the cards your dealt, and decisions have to be made rationally according to your hand

j/c:

I was listening to 92.3 The Fan this morning they played audio from LaConfora. Essentially he said, if Tyrod is let go, there is mutual interest between both parties and that we'd be on a short list of visits with the intent on getting a deal done.

We'll see.

I just seriously doubt he'll go. There might be bad blood between the Bills FO and him, but there's just not much out there to replace him with. You know what you have in the guy. You have seen how he performs in Buffalo. Might be a new staff, but he's settled there, knows his teammates.

You bring in a new guy and there's just a lot more things that can happen either way

Question for all the bridge QB guys:

If you view Tyrod as nothing more than a bridge QB.....then what's the point?

You guys are aware that Tyrod, with a trash defense, was able to to get that team to back to back 8 win seasons, yes?

That means in theory, with our current trash defense, he would play well enough to keep us out of a top 10-15 pick in the draft, meaning we would have to then sell the farm for any QB we like in the future.

IMO, That doesn't make any sense. And to continue on that point, if our defense gets to average, we then have a shot of actually making the playoffs in the next 2 years.

So if you want a bridge QB, then why not just keep RG3? Cause Tyrod has played, and will play well enough to AGAIN be in the top 10 in QBR.

That doesn't sound like a bridge QB to me. That sounds like a guy who can take a team to the playoffs.

I would rather go with Kessler than usr a "bridge" QB ... JMHO

I believe that the Browns need a better QB than we have to improve. Using a #1 on a kid doesn't make him better. Not sold on anybody I saw at the Combine.

If this TT gets us an upgrade while we weed the QB patch, let's get that done. I just do not want a bad QB decision wrecking our chances for some radical improvement in the next draft.

j/c

So does anyone see the signing of Tyrods QB coach as any indication as to which direction they're thinking?

Is it purely a coincidence?

TT doesn't have bones and joints made of porcelain.

I can see a slight upgrade being far more durable as legitimate claims.

When we hired David Lee, the QB coach, the title of the thread discussing that was, "Browns hire Tyrod Taylor's QB Coach."

I think we would be the favorite to sign Taylor if he is released. Us hiring his QB coach has something to do with that, I am just not sure how much.

I kinda agree with this here.

I don't think that Tyrod is the fit Hue is looking for. Seems like another experiment. Hue needs a guy who can read the defense.

I will however say with any semblance of a QB, we can win some games. Not saying we'd be super bowl bound, but the QB play last couple of years was atrocious. Kinda sad to say Manziel was our best QB of the past few seasons and he's currently not even in the NFL.

That all said, I'm on board with Taylor because there isn't much else out there, and I think these guys need to start winning. Drafting say Mahomes in the second round makes this sound even better.

This Tyrod Taylor thing is just a bad move period. First and most importantly, this guy doesn't sign with anyone unless he gets a similar or bigger contract than he had with Buffalo. That's a big problem because he's not worth it. His current deal averages about 13.4 million per year over the next 5 years plus he had that crazy bonus due March 11 of 15.5 million totaling 82.5 million over the next 5 years on that deal. I don't believe the Browns have a chance at this guy for less than 80 million on a 5-year deal. You can bet the house on the fact that he'll demand about 30-35 million in guaranteed money.

This eliminates the notion that Taylor would be a bridge QB because this deal (though somewhere in the middle for a top tier QB) is a franchise QB investment. So you have to ask yourself, has Taylor's performance over the last 2 years warrant a franchise investment?

Non starters like Glennon, Garoppolo, and Kneel-a-nick will be looking for similar deals. My question is are any of these guys even 50/50 bets to be the Browns franchise QB worth 5-6 year deals with huge guaranteed money?

I still say the smartest move for the Browns right now is to trade for Cutler. He's under contract for the next 4-years but his cost is 15 million in 2017 and 16 million in 2018. Trading oft injured Hayden and a 3rd round pick plus cutting RGIII more than pays for this deal over the next 2 years. I then think you trade out of this years number 1 pick for a 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year. The Browns then use one of their first round picks next year to draft their franchise QB who sits and learns a year behind Cutler and becomes the starter in 2019. Except for a RB, the other 10 picks in this years draft is totally focused on Defense. Cutler would be the perfect bridge QB costing about 31 million. No long term investment, under contract so no negotiations, experienced, one of the best arms in the NFL, a perfect bridge until we get our franchise QB, lower financial risk and immediately have the best QB we've had since Kosar. This move alone would immediately demand respect for our passing game which none of the others can guarantee.

I didn't see it as a coincidence at all. Prep for TT and to shed RG3 perhaps. I am still drafting one, I think. But load up on D. Still sold on Garrett.

+1, but no Cutler, he's to loose with the rock, and playing only for money now...would have no vested interest...TT, I'd go with Kessler and any QB we'd draft....that's ASSUMING Kessler did what I think he'd do during this off season, heal, mentally get ready, be fully prepared to make a jump...he ain't Wentz physically, but he has some real pluses...GO Browns!!!!

Agreed. I'd prefer Kessler over Cutler. Cutler, with these young guys, is not in an optimal situation.


He needs to go to an established team playing for something, where he doesn't have to be the leader or set an example

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/839548728763641856

Thank you Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!

Darn.

So...we staying at 12 or will we try to trade down a bit to grab Trub or Watson

There ya go. Didn't think Tyrod would be going anywhere. Buffalo doesn't want to create a huge hole at the QB position with no decent option to fill it

one less option

Yay!!! One nightmare out of the way!

I was a big proponent of tyrod. Not to say I thought he was our answer but he was our most likely way to ensure we didn't get one of the big 3 rooks. I'm nervous

Exactly... I didn't think so either.

I kinda agree with you. I'm not a huge proponent of Tyrod Taylor... but just like you said, who now?

-Rolling with what we had from last year (minus McCown)... would be worse than Taylor.

-One of the rookies in the draft... would be worse than Taylor.

-Jimmy G... would probably be better, but that's only if we don't give up too much (I'm not sold on him enough to give up #1 or #12).


So for all the people that are happy he's not coming here, what is your better option?

Domino #1 ..

done deal .. THANK GOD ...

Tyrod Taylor has agreed to a restructured contract to keep him with the Bills.

Buffalo didn't have many other options, unless it wanted to go with a clear downgrade in Nick Foles or Brian Hoyer and use the money saved from Taylor to improve the team elsewhere. Smartly, GM Doug Whaley wised up and realized keeping Taylor was the best option. New OC Rick Dennison campaigned for Taylor after the two worked together in Baltimore. Taylor isn't a top-end quarterback by any means, but there are far worse options to trot out there every week. The Bills can make the playoffs with him, LeSean McCoy, and Sammy Watkins staying healthy. We're just not sure if Buffalo is any better than a 9-7 or 10-6 squad.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 8 - 1:53 PM

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