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Are you talking about the one on Monroe by Franklin Park Mall? The line for that place was ridiculously long during my college years. I'm assuming that's still the case?


I haven't been there in decades. But not terribly long ago (think: volleyball season. 6 or 8 league tourney at springfield h.s.) Between games, 4 of us went to the one closest to Springfield h.s.

Busy as can be, at almost 2 pm. Friendly, helpful, and good food.

Again, I have no point to prove.

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And I should add, lest anyone thinks I'm blowing smoke, Clem can verify the existence of the businesses I'm talking about. In fact, I didn't even mention 1 of them.

So, same "general" name, yet 4 separate entities. I work for 3 of them (although 1 is not a regular), and the 1, I simply, politely said "I don't want to put my name on this one. You guys know the quality of work I do, and the results you get. But this place? I can't help you."

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Are you a bad person if you break from tradition?


Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good.


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And that's the part you seem to be having a hard time with. the ONLY way i'm going to find out if a business leans to a certain way is if they tell us.

for example. let's say i don't know who Arch is. he's self employed. I go to his shop and need something produced. he produces the good for me. i pay, and go on my merry way.

The only way i'm finding out if Arch is a trump supporter is if he has it plastered all over his website. or he decides to have some political discussion with me in his shop.

my livelyhood(sp) isn't on the line. i'm choosing to do business with him. i can go anywhere else.

However, it's not smart for Arch to have that plastered all over his shop, whether he's for Trump or Hillary, because as a business owner, he doesn't want to lose money if he can help it. There's almost nothing to gain by advertising that. and as we've seen already, there's a lot to potentially lose.



I can't believe I'm wading into this, BUT, you've mentioned my name several times.

Couple of things: 1. You DON'T know me, truly, just as I don't know you, truly.

2. I don't get political in my business. AT all. For the reason you describe, basically. If we were still on facebook, you would see that over the last year especially, but ever since I've been on face book, I'm about the least "political" person ON there. (clem is the only person that posts here that I have on facebook, so if you want verification of that, just ask him.)


Why? I work for democrats, republicans and independents. I work for Christians, Hindu's, atheists and even a muslim family. (Hindu's and Muslims are tough to find around here). I work for straight people, gay people - known gays, or some I assume are. I work for single moms and/or dads, I work for the elderly, and the young. etc. etc.

Why? Because, my job is not to preach, not to convert d's to r's, etc. My job is to make a living, and do the best job, at a fair price.

It is my choice. What I wouldn't support, is, say, the gov't. telling me how much I can charge someone, or, say, mandating that I work on a Sunday if that's what the customer demands. (and for the record, I HAVE worked on a Sunday or 2. A bowling alley was one of the jobs. They were open from M-S, 7 a.m. to 1 a.m. Sundays, they closed at 1 a.m. and didn't open until 4 pm. So, I started at 7 a.m. and the place was ready for business at 4 p.m. - and that's beside the point I guess)

On a personal level, my friends know where I stand, and many customers could probably guess correctly. But I'm not in the business, nor can I afford to be, of preaching, or politicking.

I have a service, and they want it, at a price that is acceptable to them and me. That is my business bottom line.

Here is another example. I do business first with those that use my service. It's called "choice". If I need a service or product, and one of the people/businesses that supply it are a customer, I'm going there. If I need something that no customer is a provider of, then I can shop, so to speak.


And I'm rambling, I know. Heck, maybe I didn't even have a point?
Wow, you and Swish just totally agreed!!! Surely the world is about to end smile


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I was content to let this idea die. It is clear from those who responded (and those who didn't) that my idea has little support. I believe there is something to it-- that people are more inclined to support businesses that they find politically agreeable. If that's the case, then we're not so much talking about the philosophy as much as we are the details, and I probably overplayed my hand on that part. All well.

However, something else caught my eye from CHS:
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Yes. In Capitalism we call this the "Free market". Choosing not to buy something because you're realizing how ethically bad it is, is not a bad thing. In fact it's a great thing. Look at what divestment did to Apartheid South Africa. That's a great thing. Unless you're pro Apartheid.

This is a fascinating comment. I don't really think it ties in to what I have written on here-- certainly I have not advocated for any sort of racial segregation. However, the history of South Africa could teach us all many great lessons.

I would encourage everybody who reads this to do their own research on the situation in South Africa. I'm not aware of any mainstream media that will cover this-- not MSNBC or Fox News. Dig around yourself. What is South Africa like today, and what was it like 23 years ago?

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The constitution doesn't ask what 'religious dogma' is proven or not. It only guarantees my right to practice it freely.

Therefore, if I don't feel like painting something in preparation of an event I have religious differences with due to my religious beliefs I shouldn't have to fear losing everything I've worked for while living by my convictions.

But Ted, people used to deny black people lunch at the same counter...

There is no biblical basis for denying anyone anything based on the color of skin they walk around in.

There's plenty of biblical basis for what is sin and what isn't.

And don't say you're cherry picking here.

You all decided what the argument was when you decided to force us to go along with this sin, not us.

No one is arguing that adultery, stealing, lying or any other host of unethical behavior should be considered acceptable, otherwise we'd be standing against that too.

As a human and an American citizen, I can see your argument and understand it.

But as a christian, I can't go along with it.

Why?

Because we actually believe there is a God behind the Bible. We don't just consider it 'good teaching' to follow.

If it was just 'our rules to live by', with nothing else to it, why would we care what another person did so long as it didn't harm another?

We actually believe in heaven and hell. And we'd rather not see anyone going 'south' in the afterlife if you take my meaning.


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As to the topic, Johnny Carson told Letterman and Leno not to go political, because if you do, right off the bat you've alienated half your audience.

Well Ted, how does that jive with what you just posted?

I've painted for gay interior designers, I've even painted a house for a gay couple that wanted to sell said house.

I've yet to be asked to get something ready for an event that I theologically can't jive with.

Don't know how I'll handle that if it comes up.


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I was just...

Oh, wait, Its only 10:30 am. Best I wait till the Libs get out of bed. Later.

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I was content to let this idea die. It is clear from those who responded (and those who didn't) that my idea has little support. I believe there is something to it-- that people are more inclined to support businesses that they find politically agreeable. If that's the case, then we're not so much talking about the philosophy as much as we are the details, and I probably overplayed my hand on that part. All well.

However, something else caught my eye from CHS:
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Yes. In Capitalism we call this the "Free market". Choosing not to buy something because you're realizing how ethically bad it is, is not a bad thing. In fact it's a great thing. Look at what divestment did to Apartheid South Africa. That's a great thing. Unless you're pro Apartheid.

This is a fascinating comment. I don't really think it ties in to what I have written on here-- certainly I have not advocated for any sort of racial segregation. However, the history of South Africa could teach us all many great lessons.

I would encourage everybody who reads this to do their own research on the situation in South Africa. I'm not aware of any mainstream media that will cover this-- not MSNBC or Fox News. Dig around yourself. What is South Africa like today, and what was it like 23 years ago?


Your idea/concept was and still is 100% correct ... it depends on the business your in and where your at with many variables that dictate weather this would be a benificial move for u ... there some stories of success in declaring your love for trump ... but it's going to be a short term boost with no long term effects IMO ...

The singer that wore the dress to the awards show ... the singer that sang the national anthem at the inagraution ... they both experienced HUGE increases in sales ... trump wine sold out at wegmans all over their regional market when some losers boycotted it ... ivanka's stuff was doing just fine a few weeks ago ...

It will be interesting to see the long term affects on companies like ivanka and on the flip side like grubhub and Nordstrom .. Macy's don't count cause there going under anyhow .... my feeling is short term pain for those companies but no long term affect ...

Your concept is a sound business philosophy for the right situation ... just like EVERY OTHER strategy ...




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I was just...

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Thought u might find this interesting Haus ... shows backing Donnie may not be such a bad idea ...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...cott-calls.html

Ivanka Trump's fashion sales are skyrocketing despite boycott calls

Contrary to reports that shoppers are avoiding the first daughter’s fashion line to protest her father's policies, the president of the company says recent sales are among the best in the brand's history.

Contrary to reports that shoppers are avoiding the first daughter’s fashion line to protest her father's policies, the president of the company says recent sales are among the best in the brand's history.

Abigail Klem, a former lawyer who has worked at Ivanka Trump HQ since 2013 and took over the role of company president in January, insisted that the brand has experienced a major boost.

“Since the beginning of February, they were some of the best performing weeks in the history of the brand,” explained Klem to Refinery29.com. “For several different retailers Ivanka Trump was a top performer online, and in some of the categories it was the [brand’s] best performance ever.”

IVANKA TRUMP'S FRAGRANCE IS NUMBER ONE BEST-SELLER ON AMAZON

Lyst, which monitors purchasing data from thousands of retailers, revealed that from January to February, Ivanka Trump sales increased a whopping 346 percent.

"We often noticed sales and search data are related to current events," explained Lyst's U.S. public relations director Sarah Tanner to Fox News. "During the presidential campaign last year, we saw a 460 percent increase in searches for pantsuits, which we likely tied to Hillary Clinton's affinity for the style. In the same vein, the Trump brand has largely been in the news many times during February, and it wouldn't be surprising to say that resulted in increased sales, in many calls for supporting the brand that we've seen online and throughout the last couple of months.

In February, it was reported that Trump’s namesake eau de parfum held two top-selling spots on Amazon.com: one for the full-sized bottle, the other a roll-on, which is still out of stock. Current reviews showed that customers were specifically purchasing the fragrance in support of the 35-year-old mother of three.

"Whether this is a long-term trend, we can't say," said Tanner on the growing demand for Ivanka Trump merchandise. "We've tracked the sales from March thus far and, if sales continue, we'll see an 8 percent increase, in relation to January sales, but nothing as large as what we saw in February. [But] it's still stronger than it had been in January."

Tanner also added that shoppers typically gravitated towards Trump's heels and dresses, which was the number two seller. However, every categroy of the brand sold much higher in February than what they've normally seen.

“We actually feel super optimistic because, I think, one, a lot of people support Ivanka, even across both political parties,” said Klem to Refinery29. “And then I think a lot of other people feel like, ‘Oh, I didn’t know Ivanka had a shoe line.’ ‘Oh, I didn’t know she had a handbag line.’ And they’re buying it.”

The beauty news site reported that while Klem declined to share internal sales data, available products online support the statement. Out of 134 pairs of Ivanka Trump shoes on sale at Zappos, 43 are marked “new,” indicating the site is still adding stock. Macy's had new products from Trump, and both Bloomingdales and Dillard's still carry the brand on their sites.

Trump stated on January 11 that she was stepping down from her posts at the Trump Organization and her fashion brand.

“When my father takes office as the 45th President of the United States of America, I will take a formal leave of absence from The Trump Organization and my eponymous apparel and accessories brand,” Trump wrote on Facebook. “I will no longer be involved with the management of operations of either company.”

In February, Nordstrom announced it would no longer sell Ivanka Trump's clothing and accessories. The move came amid a weeklong campaign known as "Grab Your Wallet," which called for a boycott of retailers that carry Ivanka Trump or Donald Trump merchandise.

The Seattle-based department store chain said the desicion was based on the sales performance of the first daughter's brand.

Tanner said that the boycotts didn't seem to dramatically affect Trump sales.

"And with that, there was also another movement to support the brand as well that we're seeing," she said. "That's definitely what we're seeing here."




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So her brand saw a huge rise after she stepped down from the brand?

lol.

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Nordstrom, for its part, has maintained that its decision was based on brand performance, not politics. Sales of the Ivanka Trump line at the store fell 32 percent late last year, according to internal data obtained by the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-07/backlash-over-ivanka-trump-didn-t-hurt-nordstrom

yikes, a 32 percent fall when she's in charge, and now a huge increase after she out?


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Nice article, Diam. I have kind of gotten side tracked with this idea. I do think it would be humorous to track down one of the liberal boycott lists and use that as a starting point for any shopping. (It does sound kind of petty to write that.)

related: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/8/anti-trump-business-boycotts-create-confusion-for-/

summary: It is questionable whether these large amounts of boycotts and counter-boycotts lead to any long-term, meaningful changes.

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So her brand saw a huge rise after she stepped down from the brand?

lol.

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Nordstrom, for its part, has maintained that its decision was based on brand performance, not politics. Sales of the Ivanka Trump line at the store fell 32 percent late last year, according to internal data obtained by the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-07/backlash-over-ivanka-trump-didn-t-hurt-nordstrom

yikes, a 32 percent fall when she's in charge, and now a huge increase after she out?



Her sales fell at Nordstrom 32% at the end of the year not her overall sales ... we'll write that gaffe off to you being stoned ...

U make fun of the fact her sales have gone way up since stepping down ... insinuating she was a bad CEO therefore her sales were down .. we both know the real reason her sales have gone up ... but I'll play your game and will point out that only a GREAT CEO recognizes the talent of someone that could take the brand in the right direction and generate a huge increase in sales in a short time ...

I notice in your article her sales are slumping at the brick and mortar stores ... u know the DYING brick and mortar chains ... did u happen to notice in my article that her brand in number one in a couple categories on Amazon and she's kicking ass in online sales overall ....

Hmmm ... pretty sure she's headed in the right direction ... not bad for a horrible CEO .... smile ...




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Nice article, Diam. I have kind of gotten side tracked with this idea. I do think it would be humorous to track down one of the liberal boycott lists and use that as a starting point for any shopping. (It does sound kind of petty to write that.)

related: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/8/anti-trump-business-boycotts-create-confusion-for-/

summary: It is questionable whether these large amounts of boycotts and counter-boycotts lead to any long-term, meaningful changes.


WOW ... holy crap there's a lot of them .. *L* ...

Man ... I think they've sunk themselves ... way to many on the list ... people are going to be overwhelmed ...

I've never thought they did .. I'm gonna go check on grubhub tomorrow ... want to track them since November .. my guess is short term dip and then back to normal ... very short term ...

Nordstrom and the other retail chain that ditched trump won't be good examples cause there all struggling anyhow ...

And I believe Nordstrom's didn't do it for,political reasons ... but perceptions all that matters ... swishes article says there laying off and cutting costs and reducing inventory ... there struggling ... u don't cut ties with money makers in that business climate ...

It will be interesting to track ... we should pick out two or three entities on both sides and track them for a year ...




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how is that a gaffe? Nordstrom literally dropped her because of that number.

are you stoned? every time you try and pull that insult, you're always the one who ends up not making any sense.

but like you chalked it up to me being stoned, i'll chalk up your gaffe to you being old and drunk lol. it happens bro, you aren't the only one struggling.

anyway, it's clear that you haven't paid attention to this thread, as i was the very first one who mentioned her increase in sales when it comes to perfume. you're late to the party bro. old and slow? gotta hit the gym, eat right, stick to a diet. you need to stay sharp, bro!! i care about you, after all.

first, if you're looking at recent boom as if it's suppose to be a trend, then you really don't know much about money, or the market. and you certainly aren't aware of how inventory cost works. at least that's what your currently displaying to the board. that high of an increase isn't sustainable long term. even her relations team is aware of that.

and that isn't a knock on her, but just how the market works.

Also, it's funny how you talk trash about Nordstrom. most retailers are hurting, but that has no correlation with Ivanka's brand, unlike your obviously ignorant opinion on the matter.

Also, have you actually looked at her perfume? it use to be 50-60 dollars a pop, sometimes more. now you can get it on Amazon for 22-25. it's been heavily discounted in a bunch of locations. Also, look at Trump's cologne. it was like 25 bucks that Haus linked in the other thread. what's worse? they offered a coupon on the spot for a percentage off that 25.

So there's a ton of factors in play here. but of course, the worst investors are the most gullible. sucks bro, but there's hope. you can still recover.

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U ASSUME an awful lot ... especially for someone who is in way over there head when it comes to business ...

You are Saul Alinsky to a T ...

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