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The front office has no problem giving Jamie Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...


Because he has a larger sample size of success?



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Originally Posted By: mac
I've said it before...don't know why...but Cleveland front office would rather sign some other teams leftovers than pay their own players.

...they've done it again...



Maybe Pryor was asking for unreasoanble amounts of money

he just barely broken 1,000 yards with only 4 TD. Thats not game breaking stats.

I said before i'd offer Pryor 6-7 mill per, which would be very generous offer. I think Pryor has gotten to enamored with his own press clippings...Pryor got flat out punked and Shut Down by Pacman Jones in a divisional game....

There is some good receivers coming out of the draft.

This also signals to me that Josh Gordon is going to get reinstated, and we have him on his rookie contract still for 2 years if im not mistaken....If Gordon does get re-instated, everyone will see what a true bonafide #1 stud receiver looks like, and its not Pryor.

Gordon caught like 1300 yards and double digit touchdowns with trash at QB...broke records for receiving yards in a single game....i mean...the disparity in talent between Gordon and Pryor is nuts...Gordon is bonafide #1 franchise receiver talent, Pryor is a good #2 probably at best. it is what it is.

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If Mr and Mrs Haslam and their Harvard boys fail to sign Pryor, it will mean THEY FAILED FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN ROW, TO RETAIN OUR BEST PLAYERS.

The Browns will never win a damn thing with this owner and his beloved Harvard lawyer running his front office.

The front office has no problem giving Jamie Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...

...but they could not get one of their own, Pryor resigned.

What kind of message is Sushi sending to the locker-room?...Haslam and Sashi are cheap with comes to resigning our own players...that is the message.


We didn't fail, if Pryor doesn't Re-Sign that's on him and his agent, we offered him significant money ...


marc...you dont have a clue what was offered Pryor


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If Mr and Mrs Haslam and their Harvard boys fail to sign Pryor, it will mean THEY FAILED FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN ROW, TO RETAIN OUR BEST PLAYERS.

The Browns will never win a damn thing with this owner and his beloved Harvard lawyer running his front office.

The front office has no problem giving Jamie Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...

...but they could not get one of their own, Pryor resigned.

What kind of message is Sushi sending to the locker-room?...Haslam and Sashi are cheap with comes to resigning our own players...that is the message.


We didn't fail, if Pryor doesn't Re-Sign that's on him and his agent, we offered him significant money ...


marc...you dont have a clue what was offered Pryor


Compared to what he made it had to be significant ... JMHO superconfused


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Originally Posted By: mac
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If Mr and Mrs Haslam and their Harvard boys fail to sign Pryor, it will mean THEY FAILED FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN ROW, TO RETAIN OUR BEST PLAYERS.

The Browns will never win a damn thing with this owner and his beloved Harvard lawyer running his front office.

The front office has no problem giving Jamie Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...

...but they could not get one of their own, Pryor resigned.

What kind of message is Sushi sending to the locker-room?...Haslam and Sashi are cheap with comes to resigning our own players...that is the message.


We didn't fail, if Pryor doesn't Re-Sign that's on him and his agent, we offered him significant money ...


marc...you dont have a clue what was offered Pryor


I think its safe to say its at least what we are giving to Britt which is pretty close to fair market value for Pryor.

We've got a BUTTLOAD of cap room. Signing Pryor to a 8 or 9 mil deal is still very possible. Given the fact that there's no early news on Pryor, I think we can imply that no one is throwing insane-o top 5 money at him because HE"S NOT A TOP 5 WR.

I'm still worried that we lose him but I don't want to go stupid. I mean, when I saw the deal the Bears laid out for Mike Glennon I damn near died laughing.

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Vince Young, Jake locker, Nick foles, case keenum, Jared Goff. Guys kessler is probably the best QB he'll catch from.... rofl

For real though on that note while he isn't a stud and Pryor is clearly more gifted he has been browns level unlucky on the qbs he's played with. I'd like to see what he could do with a real one. And no that was not an endorsement for kessler.

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Do you think D. Jackson is worth that kind of money?

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This is the second year in a row that the Browns have failed to sign those players who busted their ass for the team, but when it came to resigning them to a second contract...the Browns went out and signed someone else's leftover free agent to fill the position.

So you think the Browns front office under Sushi Brown is getting the job done?

What kind of message does it send to the locker room when the Browns front office (Haslams and Sashi) FAIL TO GET THEIR OWN BEST PLAYERS re-signed.

I can tell you what the players think...one contract and I'm done with Cleveland!

The Browns management has NO APPRECIATIONS for the effort and commitment their own players make...it is all about rewarding someone elses free agent.

What the Browns are doing...is freaking NUTS. You can't build a winning team with this type of operating strategy...just look at last year...did Alvin Bailey fill the shoes of Schwartz?

...most of you have no idea how "costly" that one move by Haslam and Sashi was to the team last year. The Browns had the worst pass protection in the NFL and one but 1 game.

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Originally Posted By: bleednbrown
We still need a Vet at WR. Pryor is not a vet at WR.


On April 12, 2011, Britt was arrested in New Jersey on three counts (including a felony) following an alleged car chase with police. The charges were later reduced.[11] On June 7, Britt pleaded guilty to careless driving and was fined.[12] On June 8, 2012, Britt was arrested in Hoboken, New Jersey, charged with resisting arrest.[13] In May 2014, a sex video briefly appeared on Britt's Instagram. The Rams announced they were looking into the incident.[14]


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Do you think D. Jackson is worth that kind of money?


Top 5 money? No - but he's likely on the verge of it.

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Originally Posted By: mac
vers...just clicking...

This is the second year in a row that the Browns have failed to sign those players who busted their ass for the team, but when it came to resigning them to a second contract...the Browns went out and signed someone else's leftover free agent to fill the position.

So you think the Browns front office under Sushi Brown is getting the job done?

What kind of message does it send to the locker room when the Browns front office (Haslams and Sashi) FAIL TO GET THEIR OWN BEST PLAYERS re-signed.

I can tell you what the players think...one contract and I'm done with Cleveland!

The Browns management has NO APPRECIATIONS for the effort and commitment their own players make...it is all about rewarding someone elses free agent.

What the Browns are doing...is freaking NUTS. You can't build a winning team with this type of operating strategy...just look at last year...did Alvin Bailey fill the shoes of Schwartz?

...most of you have no idea how "costly" that one move by Haslam and Sashi was to the team last year. The Browns had the worst pass protection in the NFL and one but 1 game.


Here's a question Mac. Should we have paid Pryor 12+ Mil a year to stay? I want to keep him as well but has he done enough to get an open chequebook from us?

He hasn't signed anywhere yet so the Browns could come out of this looking smart. I mean, I understand the odds are against that because...well, we're the Browns...but it COULD happen.

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I guess my point is that it's a liquid market.

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I guess my point is that it's a liquid market.


Yeah it absolutely is...and its a competitive system that encourages overpaying.

I just don't want us rampantly overpaying for Pryor. Does he get a premium? Sure...why not...we have the room. Do we suddenly pay him 12+ a year? I hope not.

Honestly, I was hoping we'd franchise him for the year, let him prove his worth a little more and work out a 3 or 4 year deal.

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For reference Kenny stills all so signed for 8 per. No homerism I'll take Britt all day.

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I'm going to say that this deal was done because Pryor already has offers higher then what the Browns are willing to pay.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: bleednbrown
We still need a Vet at WR. Pryor is not a vet at WR.


On April 12, 2011, Britt was arrested in New Jersey on three counts (including a felony) following an alleged car chase with police. The charges were later reduced.[11] On June 7, Britt pleaded guilty to careless driving and was fined.[12] On June 8, 2012, Britt was arrested in Hoboken, New Jersey, charged with resisting arrest.[13] In May 2014, a sex video briefly appeared on Britt's Instagram. The Rams announced they were looking into the incident.[14]


Sahsi and Jimmy are trying to change the culture in Cleveland...last signing the Seahawks leftovers who made an immediate impact on the Browns culture....

Alvin Bailey, "charged with operating a vehicle while intoxicated, speeding and driving an unsafe vehicle (cracked windshield). He is also charged with misdemeanor drug charges of fleeing form the police, possession of drug paraphernalia and drug abuse."

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You can't make this crap up...Haslam needs to sell the team.



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Originally Posted By: AlwaysABrownsFan
The #Browns are signing WR Kenny Britt, source said (as @caplannfl reported). 4 years, $32.5M.


Ok,, they haven't signed him yet, and already everyone is going nuts... LOL This is a funny place


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: bleednbrown
We still need a Vet at WR. Pryor is not a vet at WR.


On April 12, 2011, Britt was arrested in New Jersey on three counts (including a felony) following an alleged car chase with police. The charges were later reduced.[11] On June 7, Britt pleaded guilty to careless driving and was fined.[12] On June 8, 2012, Britt was arrested in Hoboken, New Jersey, charged with resisting arrest.[13] In May 2014, a sex video briefly appeared on Britt's Instagram. The Rams announced they were looking into the incident.[14]


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marc...you dont have a clue what was offered Pryor


To be fair, neither do you. I don't think the Britt money was the contract offered TP. Britt is getting basicall 8 mil a year if you simply do a even breakdown. I am sure a good deal in upfront to not impact later years all that much.

My guess is we went at Pryor with 38-40 mil over 4 years.


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IMO, I'd rather not have Britt than sign him (especially to that deal)

He's a below average WR. He's gotta be laughing to the freaking bank this morning.

Plus, that shows we either: A. won't re-sign Pryor or B. think last year's rookie WRs suck


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: bleednbrown
We still need a Vet at WR. Pryor is not a vet at WR.


On April 12, 2011, Britt was arrested in New Jersey on three counts (including a felony) following an alleged car chase with police. The charges were later reduced.[11] On June 7, Britt pleaded guilty to careless driving and was fined.[12] On June 8, 2012, Britt was arrested in Hoboken, New Jersey, charged with resisting arrest.[13] In May 2014, a sex video briefly appeared on Britt's Instagram. The Rams announced they were looking into the incident.[14]


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Originally Posted By: dawg66
I'm going to say that this deal was done because Pryor already has offers higher then what the Browns are willing to pay.


I think the contrary. The fact that there's been no early news about Pryor makes me think that teams are walking away from the number he's looking for.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
IMO, I'd rather not have Britt than sign him (especially to that deal)

He's a below average WR. He's gotta be laughing to the freaking bank this morning.

Plus, that shows we either: A. won't re-sign Pryor or B. think last year's rookie WRs suck


BELOW AVERAGE?

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IMO, I'd rather not have Britt than sign him (especially to that deal)

He's a below average WR. He's gotta be laughing to the freaking bank this morning.

Plus, that shows we either: A. won't re-sign Pryor or B. think last year's rookie WRs suck


BELOW AVERAGE?

Seriously, the self-loathing on this board is reaching new levels.
He really is below average IMO


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Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: bleednbrown
We still need a Vet at WR. Pryor is not a vet at WR.


On April 12, 2011, Britt was arrested in New Jersey on three counts (including a felony) following an alleged car chase with police. The charges were later reduced.[11] On June 7, Britt pleaded guilty to careless driving and was fined.[12] On June 8, 2012, Britt was arrested in Hoboken, New Jersey, charged with resisting arrest.[13] In May 2014, a sex video briefly appeared on Britt's Instagram. The Rams announced they were looking into the incident.[14]


Sahsi and Jimmy are trying to change the culture in Cleveland...last signing the Seahawks leftovers who made an immediate impact on the Browns culture....

Alvin Bailey, "charged with operating a vehicle while intoxicated, speeding and driving an unsafe vehicle (cracked windshield). He is also charged with misdemeanor drug charges of fleeing form the police, possession of drug paraphernalia and drug abuse."

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OBVIOUSLY, SASHI BROWN AND JIMMY HASLAM HAVE THEIR OWN IDEAS WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGING THE CULTURE IN CLEVELAND.


You can't make this crap up...Haslam needs to sell the team.



We just signed Joel Bitonio to a monster ext. There is a post on here about it....


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Originally Posted By: CanadaDawg
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I guess my point is that it's a liquid market.


Yeah it absolutely is...and its a competitive system that encourages overpaying.

I just don't want us rampantly overpaying for Pryor. Does he get a premium? Sure...why not...we have the room. Do we suddenly pay him 12+ a year? I hope not.

Honestly, I was hoping we'd franchise him for the year, let him prove his worth a little more and work out a 3 or 4 year deal.


I want Pryor back as well, but by franchising him, you are setting a base price for the contract extension. The Steelers were interested in him and said, "not at the 10 + million asking price." So why is a bad deal for the Steelers a FANFRIGGENTASTIC deal for the Browns? I'm sure Pittsburg can use his talents as well, if not better than the Browns can.

As I said .. I want Pryor back, but not overpay through the nose as some people on here seem to want.


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Consistently put up about 700 yards a year despite having little to work with at QB. Last year broke a 1000 with the RAMS. Has size to beat the press. Runs a 4.5 at 215.

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Originally Posted By: CanadaDawg
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IMO, I'd rather not have Britt than sign him (especially to that deal)

He's a below average WR. He's gotta be laughing to the freaking bank this morning.

Plus, that shows we either: A. won't re-sign Pryor or B. think last year's rookie WRs suck


BELOW AVERAGE?



Seriously, the self-loathing on this board is reaching new levels.


If Britt is below average...what does that make Pryor?


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I'm going to say that this deal was done because Pryor already has offers higher then what the Browns are willing to pay.


I think the contrary. The fact that there's been no early news about Pryor makes me think that teams are walking away from the number he's looking for.

Blurb at the end of the PD article on Britt say Pryor is asking for 15million...lmao, let someone else make that mistake

"A source told cleveland.com that Pryor was asking for elite receiver money, possibly even as much as $15 million a year."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature


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I guess my point is that it's a liquid market.


Yeah it absolutely is...and its a competitive system that encourages overpaying.

I just don't want us rampantly overpaying for Pryor. Does he get a premium? Sure...why not...we have the room. Do we suddenly pay him 12+ a year? I hope not.

Honestly, I was hoping we'd franchise him for the year, let him prove his worth a little more and work out a 3 or 4 year deal.


I want Pryor back as well, but by franchising him, you are setting a base price for the contract extension. The Steelers were interested in him and said, "not at the 10 + million asking price." So why is a bad deal for the Steelers a FANFRIGGENTASTIC deal for the Browns? I'm sure Pittsburg can use his talents as well, if not better than the Browns can.

As I said .. I want Pryor back, but not overpay through the nose as some people on here seem to want.


Fair point....but my thought is that it gives the opportunity to have a bigger body of work to judge from. If he has another good, but not great season, he's now 29 and you can reasonably judge his development curve a bit better and make the appropriate offer. If he has a massive season, you pay the man top 5 money.

Franchise tag would have bought us time in a year that we easily could have afforded it.

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Kenny Britt

6-foot-3, 223-pound, 28 years old, 4.5 sec 40 yd dash. 1000 yds receiving from poor QBs, avg 16 yds per reception.

This sounds like a replacement for Pryor to me.

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Originally Posted By: CanadaDawg
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vers...just clicking...

This is the second year in a row that the Browns have failed to sign those players who busted their ass for the team, but when it came to resigning them to a second contract...the Browns went out and signed someone else's leftover free agent to fill the position.

So you think the Browns front office under Sushi Brown is getting the job done?

What kind of message does it send to the locker room when the Browns front office (Haslams and Sashi) FAIL TO GET THEIR OWN BEST PLAYERS re-signed.

I can tell you what the players think...one contract and I'm done with Cleveland!

The Browns management has NO APPRECIATIONS for the effort and commitment their own players make...it is all about rewarding someone elses free agent.

What the Browns are doing...is freaking NUTS. You can't build a winning team with this type of operating strategy...just look at last year...did Alvin Bailey fill the shoes of Schwartz?

...most of you have no idea how "costly" that one move by Haslam and Sashi was to the team last year. The Browns had the worst pass protection in the NFL and one but 1 game.


Here's a question Mac. Should we have paid Pryor 12+ Mil a year to stay? I want to keep him as well but has he done enough to get an open chequebook from us?

He hasn't signed anywhere yet so the Browns could come out of this looking smart. I mean, I understand the odds are against that because...well, we're the Browns...but it COULD happen.


Here is what so many do not understand...IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!

If the Browns were in cap hell, I could understand...but the Browns are the furthest away from cap hell and can afford to pay their best players to stay..and build a "real team".

The Browns SASHI AND JIMMY...had no problem handing Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...

but Pryor, in his 2nd year at the WR position, puts up 1007 yds, with the 30th ranked offense in the NFL and the 28 ranked passing game behind the 32nd ranked offensive line...and all that is overlooked in favor of A CHEAPER OPTION, Kenny Britt.

It is not about money...it is about building a core of players who want to be in Cleveland so they can be part of the group that turns the franchise around.

If I'm Joe Thomas, I say "trade me", because I realize this dumbass owner and his Harvard lawyer don't have a freaking clue about how to build a "WINNING TEAM".

It's not about the money...it is about the Browns management and ownership proving that "THEY GET IT" ...they value their players and what they bring to the team, more than money.

Now tell me sushi could not structure a contract like he did for Jamie Collins...!


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As I said .. I want Pryor back, but not overpay through the nose as some people on here seem to want.


To some it seems that if we don't over pay him to stay, setting the precedent for future negotiations to also over pay, means the front office failed and the owner should be run out of town.

He's the prettiest ugly girl at closing time, nothing more.


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Kenny Britt

6-foot-3, 223-pound, 28 years old, 4.5 sec 40 yd dash. 1000 yds receiving from poor QBs, avg 16 yds per reception.

This sounds like a replacement for Pryor to me.


dep..yea, that was before he put about a million miles on his legs...8 yrs ago.

I have no doubt that Pryor is tougher, stronger and faster than Brit today...and Pryor wants to play in Cleveland while Brit likely says he wants to play in Cleveland, for the pay check!

It's not about the money...it is about what it takes to build a team.


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This is the second year in a row that the Browns have failed to sign those players who busted their ass for the team, but when it came to resigning them to a second contract...the Browns went out and signed someone else's leftover free agent to fill the position.

So you think the Browns front office under Sushi Brown is getting the job done?

What kind of message does it send to the locker room when the Browns front office (Haslams and Sashi) FAIL TO GET THEIR OWN BEST PLAYERS re-signed.

I can tell you what the players think...one contract and I'm done with Cleveland!

The Browns management has NO APPRECIATIONS for the effort and commitment their own players make...it is all about rewarding someone elses free agent.

What the Browns are doing...is freaking NUTS. You can't build a winning team with this type of operating strategy...just look at last year...did Alvin Bailey fill the shoes of Schwartz?

...most of you have no idea how "costly" that one move by Haslam and Sashi was to the team last year. The Browns had the worst pass protection in the NFL and one but 1 game.


Here's a question Mac. Should we have paid Pryor 12+ Mil a year to stay? I want to keep him as well but has he done enough to get an open chequebook from us?

He hasn't signed anywhere yet so the Browns could come out of this looking smart. I mean, I understand the odds are against that because...well, we're the Browns...but it COULD happen.


Here is what so many do not understand...IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!

If the Browns were in cap hell, I could understand...but the Browns are the furthest away from cap hell and can afford to pay their best players to stay..and build a "real team".

The Browns SASHI AND JIMMY...had no problem handing Collins a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $26,400,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000...

but Pryor, in his 2nd year at the WR position, puts up 1007 yds, with the 30th ranked offense in the NFL and the 28 ranked passing game behind the 32nd ranked offensive line...and all that is overlooked in favor of A CHEAPER OPTION, Kenny Britt.

It is not about money...it is about building a core of players who want to be in Cleveland so they can be part of the group that turns the franchise around.

If I'm Joe Thomas, I say "trade me", because I realize this dumbass owner and his Harvard lawyer don't have a freaking clue about how to build a "WINNING TEAM".

It's not about the money...it is about the Browns management and ownership proving that "THEY GET IT" ...they value their players and what they bring to the team, more than money.

Now tell me sushi could not structure a contract like he did for Jamie Collins...!


It's ALWAYS about money mac. IF you don't keep a consistent eye on it, you end up in cap hell. IF you don't think that, screw it...let's give EVERYONE top five money. C'mon now.

Yes, we gave Collins a great deal because he's got an established track record. Pryor doesn't have that yet. That's why I really thought we'd franchise him for a year to see how he developed in year 2.

I'd bet we certainly didn't low ball Pryor on the first offer either. I'm sure it was AT LEAST what we gave Britt.

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If money wasn't an issue for Pryor he'd be signed. Him saying he wants to play in Cleveland is NO different than Britt. It's "Show me the money" and if you think otherwise your mistaken.

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I want to see us sign TP as much as anyone but if we offer a fair deal and he turns it down that is not the FO fault. It has to be right for both sides. Signing him to a huge amount just to sign him is not fair to our FO or other players on the team.

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I've said it before...don't know why...but Cleveland front office would rather sign some other teams leftovers than pay their own players.

...they've done it again...



You are incredible.

Ya think Britt signed and Pryor did not. And its not over yet. Amazing.


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I've said it before...don't know why...but Cleveland front office would rather sign some other teams leftovers than pay their own players.

...they've done it again...



You are incredible.

Ya think Britt signed and Pryor did not. And its not over yet. Amazing.


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