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I don't think Osweiler ever sets foot in Berea, let alone plays for us.

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If the CAVS pulled this move, people would be lauding them for creating something out of nothing.

We spent money that would otherwise just be sitting there and got a 2nd rounder for next year and the Texans even threw in a backup QB.

Any chance that the Pats would take Osweiler plus the Tenn 2nd this year and the Texan's 2nd next year for Jimmy? He'd essentially be free for the Pats for 1 year since we'd have to eat his salary.

If you think narrowly only in terms of salary, perhaps you're right..... but, if that 2nd round pick was a good player for another team, would you pay $16 million to acquire that player?

There's also the possibility of using some of that cap space to essentially buy draft picks. I floated this as a feasible option earlier this week, but I'll spell it out a little clearer. Let's again use Brock Osweiler as an example. The Texans clearly regret signing Osweiler, who was benched this week for Tom Savage. It's possible Osweiler could improve, but the Texans would go back and erase his signing from the record if they could. Houston would surely love to dump Osweiler and use the money it would save to go after a superior quarterback such as Tony Romo or Jay Cutler this offseason, but the Texans are locked in: Osweiler is owed a $16 million guaranteed base salary in 2017, and if the Texans cut him, they would have a painful $25 million in dead money hit their cap next season. It would be a non-starter.

What the Texans could do, though, is trade Osweiler to a team who would be willing to pay his $16 million base salary. Houston would be left with a far more palatable $9 million in dead money on its 2017 cap. The problem, of course, is that nobody would want to pay Osweiler $16 million for the 2017 season unless there were dramatic incentives and no better options around. The Browns could fit both of those shoes. They've repeatedly shown how significantly they value draft picks, are willing to be patient to receive those picks and have no clear path to a starting quarterback. Osweiler has been a mess in Houston, but he looked competent in Denver during the 2015 season behind a middling offensive line. Hypothetically, the Browns could offer a seventh-round pick to the Texans in exchange for Osweiler, a 2017 third-round pick and a 2018 first-rounder. Cleveland might not want Osweiler enough to find that to be worth $16 million, and Houston might not be willing to trade away two draft picks to move on from an expensive mistake. But the logic of using short-term cap space to trade for useful draft assets is there.

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What would you rather them do just sit on 17 million of unused cap space or get a 2nd rounder for it???? We don't owe him anything cap wise past this year.......you know a lot about football Pitt, but you are bad wrong on this one.

There is literally no downside for the Browns on this one......unless they play him haha.

They say we shouldn't overspend just because we have cap space. That just because you have cap space is no reason to overspend.

THEN, when our FO pays 16 mil. + for a second round draft pick, people say, "Why not, we have the cap space?"

But assuming the trade was made purely for the Cap space in return for a future 2nd and current 6th has anything like this been done in the NFL before?

It's funny. On this very board many posters make all the excuses in the world about moves the FO makes. Let's use not signing Scwartz to a contract they had already offered him.

They say we shouldn't overspend just because we have cap space. That just because you have cap space is no reason to overspend.

THEN, when our FO pays 16 mil. + for a second round draft pick, people say, "Why not, we have the cap space?"

It's funny to watch all of the side stepping and back tracking by so many posters. Hilarious!

$16 million for a second round pick is not overspending. That is a discount.

It's funny. On this very board many posters make all the excuses in the world about moves the FO makes. Let's use not signing Scwartz to a contract they had already offered him.

They say we shouldn't overspend just because we have cap space. That just because you have cap space is no reason to overspend.

THEN, when our FO pays 16 mil. + for a second round draft pick, people say, "Why not, we have the cap space?"

It's funny to watch all of the side stepping and back tracking by so many posters. Hilarious!

$16 million for a second round pick is not overspending. That is a discount.

You're talking about eating a short-term cap-hit for ONE year to turn it into a high draft pick, versus signing a player to a multiple-year deal for much higher than their market value. Ask the Texans how that worked out for them.

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not to mention we already have the best market offer on the table of anyone..so i guess we just give him an extra 5 mill a year because he wants it...which is basically what they are saying..lol

You have to be kidding me! An unknown commodity that will be the 45th or so pick in a draft for 16 mil.? You're not signing a player. You're drafting a question mark.

Please tell me what mid second round picks and the rate of success we've had in that range? So far, what are the odds we'll get a quality player mid second round?

If you take a hard look at that, the odds aren't in your favor.

Well don't forget, after you draft the player you have to pay his contract on top of the 16 mil you paid for the pick.

I'll ask you the same question. How many mid second round draft picks have we made that you would be willing to add a 16 million dollar cap hit to draft?

Well don't forget, after you draft the player you have to pay his contract on top of the 16 mil you paid for the pick.

I'll ask you the same question. How many mid second round draft picks have we made that you would be willing to add a 16 million dollar cap hit to draft?

I aldo wanted to put forth another option.

We convert Brock's 2017 salary into a signing bonus, and give him maybe $6 million per year each for 3 years. That kind of deal could possibly be appealing to another team, and we could eat the $16 million we had to eat anyway, but maybe get something out of Osweiler.

The Brock Osweiler trade is another stroke of genius by the Browns 'Moneyball' front office
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By: Steven Ruiz | March 9, 2017 4:22 pm
It’s officially time to stop making fun of the Browns. That team that botched a countless draft picks, mishandled its salary cap and couldn’t resist firing coaches after one season is no more. This new Browns team knows what it’s doing, and just pulled off another intelligent move to go along with all the other intelligent moves the “Moneyball” front office has made since taking over last offseason.


Paul DePodesta, the team’s “chief strategy officer,” comes from the MLB world, but this is a move straight out of the NBA. The Browns are eating Osweiler’s contract in order to get the Texans’ second-round pick. Cleveland will owe Osweiler $16 million in 2017, but can part ways with the free agent bust after next season with no penalty. Or they can just eat that dead money now, which doesn’t matter when you have more cap space then you can realistically spend, as Cleveland does now.

Either way, Osweiler has no future in Cleveland…

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While the trade may not solve the team’s ever-lasting QB problem, it does serve two purposes for the Browns: (1) It allows them to sweeten a possible trade offer for Patriots QB Jimmy Garoppolo and (2) it helps the team get closer to the salary cap floor (teams have to spend at least 89% of the cap, per NFL rules) without having to hand a risky long-term deal out to a free agent.

The Browns are still sitting on over $50 million in cap space after this move, so this move does not affect their spending power (this year or in the future) in any way.

Essentially, Cleveland picked up a second-round pick for free. That’s been the front office’s MO this past year-and-a-half. It has acquired a ton of assets without giving much in return.



The Browns picked up up-and-coming LB Jamie Collins for a conditional draft pick. It picked up four extra draft picks from the Eagles, including the No. 12 pick in the 2017 draft, to move down only six spots in the first round of the 2016 draft. And now it’s picking up a second-rounder, which, if used correctly, should yield a solid starter, for a throwaway draft pick and a minimal cap penalties.

Of course, the Browns actually have to turn those draft picks into good players for any of this to matter, and drafting has never been the strength of this franchise. At the same time, this is not the same Browns front office we have been laughing at for the last two decades.

For more on the trade and more NFL offseason news, head over to USA TODAY Sports.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/nfl-offseason-trade-brock-osweiler-trade-browns-texans-analysis